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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    With all these cases, I end up stuck on the idea that the business opted-in to being a public accommodation, subject to whatever anti-discrimination rules apply.

    There are different ways they could run their business that wouldn't be subject to these rules, such as a private club, or an outright church in it's own right, probably some other options I don't know about.

    They agreed voluntarily to follow these rules, and then they hit a snag and think they can ignore them?

    Doesn't track for me, though obviously the courts are struggling.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The interesting thing about this case, is that nobody asked or even tried to force these women to make a gay wedding invitation. They just "feared they would be put in jail" for not making a gay wedding invitation if asked.

    The more I think about issues like this, the more I wonder why these businesses just don't advertise that they are Christian business and do not serve the general public. If businesses like this business operated like that, I am certain gay people wouldn't even bother with them, which both sides would probably prefer.



    I have never understood how refusing to do business with a gay person is a Christian teaching. As for free speech, I understand the concept of compelled speech. I support these women and this decision as far as them being forced to create art they don't want, or convey a message which they do not want to convey. I agree this could potentially strengthen free speech for others, as the article points out. I am just not sure it's a Christian teaching to target one group of people committing a sin, and living in sin. All Abrahamic religions recognize homosexuality is a sin, but it seems only American Christians are focusing on LGBT people like this.

    There is a very high probability these women would be asked to create a wedding invitation involving a child out of wedlock. This legal case was only based on LGBT people, however.

    The Arizona Supreme Court ruled two business owners did not have to make invitations for a same-sex wedding - CNN
    It's not about religion. That's why they have no problem making wedding products for adulterers, divorcees, liars, fornicators, or as you say a wedding "involving a child out of wedlock", yadda yadda. It's about bigotry, hatred, and the disgusting cowardice of so-called Christians who hide behind claims of religion that obviously don't apply given all the other people they don't claim to have a religious problem with.

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    "No gays allowed" and "No blacks allowed" are morally equivalent. Right wingers naturally support this "freedom"
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The interesting thing about this case, is that nobody asked or even tried to force these women to make a gay wedding invitation. They just "feared they would be put in jail" for not making a gay wedding invitation if asked.
    A very reasonable fear considering homosexuals have specifically targeted Christians for harassment in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The more I think about issues like this, the more I wonder why these businesses just don't advertise that they are Christian business and do not serve the general public. If businesses like this business operated like that, I am certain gay people wouldn't even bother with them, which both sides would probably prefer.
    Utter nonsense. Homosexuals seek out Christian businesses to harass them. They don't target Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or any other religion, just Christians and it is deliberate, spiteful, and dishonest. Homosexuals have systematically attempted to persecute Christians for their beliefs.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have never understood how refusing to do business with a gay person is a Christian teaching. As for free speech, I understand the concept of compelled speech. I support these women and this decision as far as them being forced to create art they don't want, or convey a message which they do not want to convey. I agree this could potentially strengthen free speech for others, as the article points out. I am just not sure it's a Christian teaching to target one group of people committing a sin, and living in sin. All Abrahamic religions recognize homosexuality is a sin, but it seems only American Christians are focusing on LGBT people like this.
    It doesn't matter whether you understand it or not, every business has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. A government that compels businesses to provide goods and services is a fascist government.

    People have the right to believe whatever they desire, and if that belief prevents them from providing a particular service then that is their choice. Nobody and no government has the right to compel them to do anything other than what they believe. It has absolutely nothing to do with free speech, and everything to do with religious belief and prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    The Arizona law is unconstitutional, violating the Fourteenth Amendment, and therefore should be repealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not. These two women are.
    I don’t see any evidence of that. The court ruled in their favor. The president didn’t campaign on registering Christians or banning immigration from Christian majority counters until we can figure things out.

    I would say Christians have a very privileged place in America society

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, the Bible doesn't promote plural marriage.
    That’s your opinion

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "No gays allowed" and "No blacks allowed" are morally equivalent. Right wingers naturally support this "freedom"
    How long do you think a business will stay in business with such a policy? By the way, it was the leftist bigot Democrats who had those signs posted all over the south. Not a single right-winger had them, just the anti-American left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    A very reasonable fear considering homosexuals have specifically targeted Christians for harassment in the past.

    Utter nonsense. Homosexuals seek out Christian businesses to harass them. They don't target Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or any other religion, just Christians and it is deliberate, spiteful, and dishonest. Homosexuals have systematically attempted to persecute Christians for their beliefs.

    It doesn't matter whether you understand it or not, every business has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. A government that compels businesses to provide goods and services is a fascist government.

    People have the right to believe whatever they desire, and if that belief prevents them from providing a particular service then that is their choice. Nobody and no government has the right to compel them to do anything other than what they believe. It has absolutely nothing to do with free speech, and everything to do with religious belief and prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    The Arizona law is unconstitutional, violating the Fourteenth Amendment, and therefore should be repealed.
    Christians have targeted homosexuals. Don’t act like Christians are simply victims of LGBT hate. There has been significant damage caused by certain Christian movements to their community: gay conversion therapy, disowning children, assaulting LGBT rights, god hates fags, etc.

    Christians have a bad relationship with the LGBT community, and it’s easy to see why. And no, you’re not a pure innocent victim dealing with LGTB rage directed at you. From what I see in this thread, most people are saying positive things about Jesus and the Bible, but they say you are using the word of God incorrectly.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Christians have targeted homosexuals. Don’t act like Christians are simply victims of LGBT hate. There has been significant damage caused by certain Christian movements to their community: gay conversion therapy, disowning children, assaulting LGBT rights, god hates fags, etc.

    Christians have a bad relationship with the LGBT community, and it’s easy to see why. And no, you’re not a pure innocent victim dealing with LGTB rage directed at you. From what I see in this thread, most people are saying positive things about Jesus and the Bible, but they say you are using the word of God incorrectly.
    Christians are entitled to their free speech, just like homosexuals. They can call them whatever they please, and visa versa. What is not allowed is for either of them to cause harm. That is the line in the sand. It is also unconstitutional for any State to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." States cannot create special groups of people and set them aside for additional protections that nobody else has. That is equally unconstitutional as depriving a group of people of their rights. All laws must be applied equally to everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs, sexual orientation, or the color of their skin.

    I'm neither a Christian nor a homosexual. I'm an outside observer who has witnessed numerous attacks specifically against Christians by both homosexuals and government. Even the Supreme Court admonished Oregon's government for their deliberate religious persecution of the baker in that case. Yet it happened again in Colorado. Which makes the religious persecution of Christians systematic. On the other side of the coin you have individual religious fanatics who have physically attacked homosexuals simply for being homosexual. Neither is right, but on the scale of things the systematic religious persecution of Christians by State/local governments is far more serious.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    How long do you think a business will stay in business with such a policy? By the way, it was the leftist bigot Democrats who had those signs posted all over the south. Not a single right-winger had them, just the anti-American left.
    When was this?

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