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Christine Blasey Ford's friend now says she's skeptical of Kavanaugh accusation

trixare4kids said:
Christine Blasey Ford’s friend now says she’s skeptical of Kavanaugh accusation

Good for Leland Keyser for speaking up and setting the record straight. She's confirmed for me that Ford manufactured this story for a political agenda.

She has also clarified that she does not know Kavanaugh.
I'm betting Ford doesn't know him either. ;)

I really hope that Christine Blasey Ford is investigated along with her crooked attorney who actually admitted that the testimony was to stop the nomination because she feared Kavanaugh would overturn Roe v. Wade.
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What is most interesting is their persistent break with reality - the classical conditioning (ring the bell for the partisan drooling) generated by the NYT and demonstrated by the Democratic hopefuls in spite of a story that was pushed out the starting gate as a dead horse. For at least a few days the MSM and the Democrats breathlessly announced new impeachment efforts, warned of new difficulties for Trump, and characterized as "bolstering" prior allegations (Vox).

And how long did it take to debunk and make the NYT look foolish? 24 hrs?

First the NYTimes announced that relevant exculpatory facts were "inadvertently" left out. Then the authors blamed the editors. Now the NPR reports the critics have the upper hand after its been revealed the woman has no recollection of being a target as claimed by Stiers, a Clinton attorney.

Since then it has become increasingly clear that this new "story" was so weak that in spite of a year long investigation no new victims have been found, no new evidence uncovered, and if anything new exculpatory facts are revealed (e.g. ford's close friend at the time essentially saying her friends claim is a crock, joining Ford's father opinion of his daughter).

And yet - proving Pavlov's theory of conditioning - all the Democratic hopefuls (but Biden) issue new calls for impeachment within hours of a bogus effort.

Tales of the Strange...
 
Condor060 said:
Its part of the new Liberal agenda. If you can't win the election. Impeach.
Idiots.
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Hmm. 'New Liberal agenda'?

Talk about degrading public institutions, here we can clearly see how the Democrats are degrading the public institution of SOCTUS.

This isn't new, and it isn't uncommon from the Democarts. Earlier this year we saw Democrat Senators, multiple of them, threaten SCOTUS.

Senate Democrats' unprecedented threat against the ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com › opinions › 2019/09/03 › senate-democrat...
Sep 3, 2019 - The threat came over the Supreme Court's decision to hear a ... It is perfectly fine for the senators to make legal arguments in a legal brief to the ...

Democratic Senators Threaten SCOTUS: Do As We Say, Or ...
https://townhall.com › tipsheet › guybenson › 2019/08/14 › democratic-se...
Aug 14, 2019 - Democratic Senators Threaten SCOTUS: Do As We Say, Or Else... Beth touched on this yesterday, but I think the extraordinary nature of what's ...
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And to drive that point home, the New York Slimes revive the already debunked and discredited sexual misconduct accusations against Kavanaugh.

We have multiple Democrat primary candidates who dismiss constitutional rights by executive order overreach with their gun bans, their no knock warrants with Red Flag laws (no due process), and presumed guilt rather than presumed innocence.

No, it isn't Trump that's the threat to our Republic. It's the Democrats and the political left, clearly. And yet, Rover, you bray on and on about impeaching, impeaching without grounds no less, so another example of presumed guilt.

Yes, It's the Democrats and the political left, who are the clear and present danger, the threat, clearly, by their own behavior.
 
ajn678 said:
One privately didn't testify because she said she didn't remember anything, the other passive aggressively came out and said it was great that she was getting treatment for her drug problems.

They aren't even close to the same thing.
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One didn't testify because she didn't want the media to drag her personal life through the mud....the other risked everything to testify and now has to live in fear of her life. Either way, it's very sad for both women.
 
trixare4kids said:
You are ranting about nothing...
You're dismissed if you don't like the subject of the thread.
It is not about me.
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:lol: AKA The opposition's jibber jabber game when unable to debate the subject of the thread.

Roseann:)
 
Moot said:
One didn't testify because she didn't want the media to drag her personal life through the mud....the other risked everything to testify and now has to live in fear of her life. Either way, it's very sad for both women.
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Why do you lie? She said that she didn't testify because she did not remember the situations in which Ford said the assault happened. This isn't up for debate. You literally are talking out of your ass.
 
Moot said:
Leland Keyser had an addiction/alcohol problem and didn't want to speak publicly, which is understandable. But she didn't seem to have a problem speaking to the book's NYT authors about her friend...

"...Of her friend, she alludes to some kind of “trauma” Ford may have experienced, even as the details of this particular allegation don’t add up to her.

“I think something happened, but I don’t know what,” Keyser said. “And I haven’t been close enough to her over the years to know that something went down. I haven’t seen her in a long, long time. I do think that something happened to her, and that maybe she is a victim of some sort of trauma.” ..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ess-brett-kavanaugh-saga-comes-down-his-side/
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Keyser seems to believe her friend, Blasey Ford experienced some sort of trauma....but she doesn't remember how or why. There's enough there to spin for both sides where Ms. Keyser is concerned.

That said, I don't think we're any closer to the truth now than we were during the hearings. The book is proving to be a big nothing burger except to remind people what a sham the hearing and FBI investigation was.
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Actually there is very little to spin. Ford gave the four names (as I recall) of folks who were witnesses and/or could back up her claims. None have. Keyser, the supposed "star witness" couldn't and since then not only can't, she has openly underscored that she increasingly doubts Ford's story.

"I don’t have any confidence in the story,” Leland Keyser — who Ford has said was at the party where the alleged assault occurred — told two New York Times reporters in their book “The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation.

Those facts together I don’t recollect, and it just didn’t make any sense,” Keyser insisted of Ford’s account, according to authors Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly."

Moreover, as she has thought back on it (to a time in which she drank very little and a far different person) the story given by Ford makes less sense than ever and NOT consistent with her own behavior back then.

And finally, Keyser maintains this view IN SPITE of the pressure put on Ford supporters to change her story - now that is tragic (as well as a form of witness tampering).
 
maxparrish said:
Actually there is very little to spin. Ford gave the four names (as I recall) of folks who were witnesses and/or could back up her claims. None have. Keyser, the supposed "star witness" couldn't and since then not only can't, she has openly underscored that she increasingly doubts Ford's story.

"I don’t have any confidence in the story,” Leland Keyser — who Ford has said was at the party where the alleged assault occurred — told two New York Times reporters in their book “The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation.

Those facts together I don’t recollect, and it just didn’t make any sense,” Keyser insisted of Ford’s account, according to authors Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly."

Moreover, as she has thought back on it (to a time in which she drank very little and a far different person) the story given by Ford makes less sense than ever and NOT consistent with her own behavior back then.

And finally, Keyser maintains this view IN SPITE of the pressure put on Ford supporters to change her story - now that is tragic (as well as a form of witness tampering).
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Spin it anyway you want... but Keyser did admit that she thought Ford had a traumatic experience around that time.

The part she said didn't make any sense was how Ford got home without her. But if she doesn't remember being there at all then why would it make sense, after all it didn't happen to her.

It was also reported that she dated one of Kavanaugh's friends...and yet she said she doesn't remember Kavanaugh. That doesn't make sense either but no one doubts her lack of memory like they do Fords.
 
Moot said:
Spin it anyway you want... but Keyser did admit that she thought Ford had a traumatic experience around that time.

The part she said didn't make any sense was how Ford got home without her. But if she doesn't remember being there at all then why would it make sense, after all it didn't happen to her.

It was also reported that she dated one of Kavanaugh's friends...and yet she said she doesn't remember Kavanaugh. That doesn't make sense either but no one doubts her lack of memory like they do Fords.
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Leyland Keyser has never corroborated Ford's claims or even the key details of it.

She has said,
.....She couldn't recall the night in question while adding that she believed Ford.

The subject of this thread are the newest quotes from Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly's book, (their book released yesterday) where in an interview with Keyser, she makes it clear that she no longer believes Ford.

Like it or not, the author's new interview with Keyser suggests that someone who could have been a star witness for Ford, is anything but.
 
As a reminder, the Senate Judiciary Committee produced a lengthy report after Kavanaugh's confirmation and a thorough investigation. The report found not a single accusation against him had evidence or merit.
"After an extensive investigation that included the thorough review of all potentially credible evidence submitted and interviews of more than 40 individuals with information relating to the allegations, including classmates and friends of all those involved, Committee investigators found no witness who could provide any verifiable evidence to support any of the allegations brought against Justice Kavanaugh," the report states. "In other words, following the separate and extensive investigations by both the Committee and the FBI, there was no evidence to substantiate any of the claims of sexual assault made against Justice Kavanaugh."

Oh My, So That's Why Christine Blasey Ford's Father Didn't Come to Her Defense Against Kavanaugh
 
Her own father didn't even believe her story.

( I 'm sure he's quite familiar with what a wift loon she is)

Within days of Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, a fascinating encounter took place. Brett Kavanaugh’s father was approached by Ford’s father at the golf club where they are both members," they report. "Ralph Blasey, Ford’s father, went out of his way to offer to Ed Kavanaugh his support of Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, according to multiple people familiar with the conversation that took place at Burning Tree Club in Bethesda, Maryland. 'I’m glad Brett was confirmed,' Ralph Blasey told Ed Kavanaugh, shaking his hand. Blasey added that the ordeal had been tough for both families."
 
Chillfolks said:
I suspect MS Keyser is more concerned about selling books than setting the record straight or any truth telling.
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How so? She did not write the book.
 
Nap said:
The more interesting part of the story to me is this:
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Being pressured by Ford's allies? That's teetering on witness intimidation.
 
trixare4kids said:
Leyland Keyser has never corroborated Ford's claims or even the key details of it.

She has said,
.....She couldn't recall the night in question while adding that she believed Ford.

The subject of this thread are the newest quotes from Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly's book, (their book released yesterday) where in an interview with Keyser, she makes it clear that she no longer believes Ford.

Like it or not, the author's new interview with Keyser suggests that someone who could have been a star witness for Ford, is anything but.
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Not remembering doesn't disprove it, either.

The quote I posted came from the same book. :shrug:
 
Moot said:
Not remembering doesn't disprove it, either.

The quote I posted came from the same book. :shrug:
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Oh c'mon... There was NO corroborating proof from the four witnesses Ford named.

If you want to go up against that fact, by all means continue.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Oh c'mon... There was NO collaborating proof from the four witnesses Ford named.

If you want to go up against that fact, by all means continue.
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Until they speak under oath, the jury is still out.
 
Moot said:
Until they speak under oath, the jury is still out.
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:roll: Where are the charges? Aren't you putting the cart before the horse?
The hearing is over. The Dems. lost, Kavanaugh was rightfully confirmed.

Better luck next time.
 
trixare4kids said:
:roll: Where are the charges? Aren't you putting the cart before the horse?
The hearing is over. The Dems. lost, Kavanaugh was rightfully confirmed.

Better luck next time.
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The entire hearing was a sham. For that reason, it will never be over until trust in the process is restored.
 
Moot said:
Spin it anyway you want... but Keyser did admit that she thought Ford had a traumatic experience around that time.

The part she said didn't make any sense was how Ford got home without her. But if she doesn't remember being there at all then why would it make sense, after all it didn't happen to her.

It was also reported that she dated one of Kavanaugh's friends...and yet she said she doesn't remember Kavanaugh. That doesn't make sense either but no one doubts her lack of memory like they do Fords.
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Leland Keyser Told NYT Reporters That Blasey Ford's Story 'Didn't Ring Right to Her'

Title:Leland Keyser Told NYT Reporters That Blasey Ford's Story 'Didn't Ring Right to Her'

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In her tearful testimony before Congress last year, Christine Blasey Ford said she remembered "my friend Leland" attending the impromptu party -- at an address Ford could not recall -- where Brett Kavanaugh supposedly assaulted her.

But Leland Keyser told the two New York Times reporters that after careful reflection, she doesn't remember the alleged incident at all. She doesn't think it happened.

Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly, authors of "The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation," appeared on CNN Tuesday morning, where host Alisyn Camerota noted that during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, "there was a feeling of, if only we could talk to her friend who she went to the party with. Surely the friend could corroborate or deny what happened at that party or her memory of it. Well, it turns out you did talk to that friend. And is it fair to say that friend doesn't really believe -- not only does she not corroborate Blasey Ford's version, she doesn't necessarily believe it happened?"

"That's right, and this is a very interesting narrative in the book," Kate Kelly responded.

[Again -- that "very interesting narrative" never made it into the recent New York Times article that smeared Kavanaugh all over again. And for the record -- Mollie Hemingway of the Federalist says she and her co-author first broke the news about Leland Keyser on July 9 in their book, "Justice on Trial.")]

"And this friend Leland Keyser is on the record for the first time with us in the book," Kelly told CNN:

Essentially, Leland said consistently last year in the reporting of this that she doesn't recall the incident one way or another. At the time in 2018 she did say to a reporter, words to the effect, you know, Dr. Ford is my friend, and I believe her.

After that, later in the process and during the FBI investigation last fall, she reflected on it. She had an initial meeting with the FBI at which she said whatever she could recall.

She then went back, rested, really thought hard about the events that were being discussed. Looked at high school photographs of Brett Kavanaugh that were circulating around and decided she didn't find him to be a familiar face at all. She had dated his very good friend Mark Judge, who was alleged to be in the room during the alleged Blasey Ford assault. She had dated him briefly. So she knew some of those boys, but Kavanaugh's face didn't ring a bell.

And she also thought the circumstances around the alleged incident, the fact that Ford had been at a certain country club that day, the fact that it was a relatively small gathering, among other things, didn't ring right to her. So she initiated a second conversation with the FBI and reported all this to them, along with the fact that she had felt pressured to change her story by friends of Blasey Ford's and hers from high school.

Now, to be fair, we have not heard that Ford directed that or even knew about it at the time, but that that pressure was going on.

Camerota let that “very interesting narrative” pass without further comment.

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Title: How a climate of outrage persecuted 2 women who refused to take down Brett Kavanaugh

How 2 women who wouldn't take down Kavanaugh were persecuted

Title: Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford

Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Leland Keyser Told NYT Reporters That Blasey Ford's Story 'Didn't Ring Right to Her'

Title:Leland Keyser Told NYT Reporters That Blasey Ford's Story 'Didn't Ring Right to Her'

snippets from article

In her tearful testimony before Congress last year, Christine Blasey Ford said she remembered "my friend Leland" attending the impromptu party -- at an address Ford could not recall -- where Brett Kavanaugh supposedly assaulted her.

But Leland Keyser told the two New York Times reporters that after careful reflection, she doesn't remember the alleged incident at all. She doesn't think it happened.

Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly, authors of "The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation," appeared on CNN Tuesday morning, where host Alisyn Camerota noted that during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, "there was a feeling of, if only we could talk to her friend who she went to the party with. Surely the friend could corroborate or deny what happened at that party or her memory of it. Well, it turns out you did talk to that friend. And is it fair to say that friend doesn't really believe -- not only does she not corroborate Blasey Ford's version, she doesn't necessarily believe it happened?"

"That's right, and this is a very interesting narrative in the book," Kate Kelly responded.

[Again -- that "very interesting narrative" never made it into the recent New York Times article that smeared Kavanaugh all over again. And for the record -- Mollie Hemingway of the Federalist says she and her co-author first broke the news about Leland Keyser on July 9 in their book, "Justice on Trial.")]

"And this friend Leland Keyser is on the record for the first time with us in the book," Kelly told CNN:

Essentially, Leland said consistently last year in the reporting of this that she doesn't recall the incident one way or another. At the time in 2018 she did say to a reporter, words to the effect, you know, Dr. Ford is my friend, and I believe her.

After that, later in the process and during the FBI investigation last fall, she reflected on it. She had an initial meeting with the FBI at which she said whatever she could recall.

She then went back, rested, really thought hard about the events that were being discussed. Looked at high school photographs of Brett Kavanaugh that were circulating around and decided she didn't find him to be a familiar face at all. She had dated his very good friend Mark Judge, who was alleged to be in the room during the alleged Blasey Ford assault. She had dated him briefly. So she knew some of those boys, but Kavanaugh's face didn't ring a bell.

And she also thought the circumstances around the alleged incident, the fact that Ford had been at a certain country club that day, the fact that it was a relatively small gathering, among other things, didn't ring right to her. So she initiated a second conversation with the FBI and reported all this to them, along with the fact that she had felt pressured to change her story by friends of Blasey Ford's and hers from high school.

Now, to be fair, we have not heard that Ford directed that or even knew about it at the time, but that that pressure was going on.

Camerota let that “very interesting narrative” pass without further comment.

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Title: How a climate of outrage persecuted 2 women who refused to take down Brett Kavanaugh

How 2 women who wouldn't take down Kavanaugh were persecuted

Title: Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford

Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford

Roseann:)
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...al-kavanaugh-accusation-5.html#post1070614718
 
Moot said:
Until they speak under oath, the jury is still out.
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Leland Kyser spoke to the F.B.I. twice. They put you under oath. So she did speak under oath. She really wanted to help her friend but not enough to lie to the F.B.I. under oath.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Leland Kyser spoke to the F.B.I. twice. They put you under oath. So she did speak under oath. She really wanted to help her friend but not enough to lie to the F.B.I. under oath.

Roseann:)
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It's not a crime to not remember....but it sure can be convenient.
 
Moot said:
It's not a crime to not remember....but it sure can be convenient.
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I never said it was..... Are you questioning Kyser's memory if favor of Ford's? Do you think Kyser conveniently said she didn't remember when she actually did and didn't want to help her friend out of self-interest?

Roseann:)
 
Mr Person said:
As long as every last person involved in pushing the 7+ investigations allegedly into how the Benghazi attack unfolded but were merely used to smear Hillary with sloppy handling of an email server, pushed by persons who do not care at all about worse offenses under Trump, goes on. Then we have a deal.

Otherwise, it's just the usual Trumpist pride in hypocrisy.


PS: I know what the reply is going to be before I see it, and I know any person(s) making it will themselves have done worse.
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It's interesting that you compare an attack on a government compound where our ambassador was killed and multiple U.S. security personnel to vague recollections of something that may or may not have happened at a high school party some 40 years ago or something. I mean...it's utterly stupid but interesting none the less.
 
Moot said:
The entire hearing was a sham. For that reason, it will never be over until trust in the process is restored.
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The process WAS confirmed. Kavanaugh wasn't railroaded based on faulty or non-existent memories. His accuser had her say and a decision was made.
 
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