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How I would conduct hearing in Congress!

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I think it is way too easy for those who come before Congress from both parties to lie, way to easy. If it were up to me I would simply have those who are going to testify attached to lie detector equipment and have each answer determined for the truth, a lie or undetermined. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if this were done. I would bet we would get more truth and even more 5th Amendment chants. Ii know it will never happen, but if I were in Congress I would certainly push for a law to make it legal. What do you think?
 
Congress and the the White are massive jokes on the citizens of America. It's all one huge bleeding sham.

Looks to me that I might be voting third party again.
 
independentusa said:
I think it is way too easy for those who come before Congress from both parties to lie, way to easy. If it were up to me I would simply have those who are going to testify attached to lie detector equipment and have each answer determined for the truth, a lie or undetermined. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if this were done. I would bet we would get more truth and even more 5th Amendment chants. Ii know it will never happen, but if I were in Congress I would certainly push for a law to make it legal. What do you think?
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I think your law is stupid.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Congress and the the White are massive jokes on the citizens of America. It's all one huge bleeding sham.

Looks to me that I might be voting third party again.
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Rethink that, vote for the ham sammich!
 
When did Congress become so lame as far as subpoenas and false/misleading testimony?

There seem to be no consequences in flipping them off, imo.

What does “contempt of Congress” mean?

TBH, I hold the bunch in contempt!
 
independentusa said:
I think it is way too easy for those who come before Congress from both parties to lie, way to easy. If it were up to me I would simply have those who are going to testify attached to lie detector equipment and have each answer determined for the truth, a lie or undetermined. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if this were done. I would bet we would get more truth and even more 5th Amendment chants. Ii know it will never happen, but if I were in Congress I would certainly push for a law to make it legal. What do you think?
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I honestly don’t understand how they are allowed to get away with it. Why not just have them held in contempt of Congress, and have them arrested by the Master-At-Arms?

Lewendowski can’t claim Executive Privilige, yet they continually just rolled over and took it up the ass.
 
Rexedgar said:
When did Congress become so lame as far as subpoenas and false/misleading testimony?

There seem to be no consequences in flipping them off, imo.

What does “contempt of Congress” mean?

TBH, I hold the bunch in contempt!
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Still no backbone in the Democratic Party. It's Wus Party just as it has always been.

It is shameful and every card carrying Democrat should be embarrassed, outraged and ashamed. But Democrats support a party of ******s otherwise they'd vote the current batch of wimps and frauds out of office. That's not going to happen. Democratic officeholders know that most Democratic voters will never demand real change or the door.

Progressives are not the same old tired party and I could support a progressive ticket. The establishment Democratic Party isn't going to allow progressives to come in and take over. Nope. Change would be too frightening for the Democrat Party just as growing balls and going after people who refuse to actually testify to Congressional committees. Challenge Democrats without fear. They have a long storied history of doing nothing when the **** gets thick.
 
Mycroft said:
I think your law is stupid.
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Why, because the truth would then be out for all of the country to see, hear and know. I think you like it much better when those who come before congress can lie. Why is that by the way?
 
Rexedgar said:
When did Congress become so lame as far as subpoenas and false/misleading testimony? There seem to be no consequences in flipping them off, imo. What does “contempt of Congress” mean? TBH, I hold the bunch in contempt!
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There is remedy, it's got to go to the courts. My understanding is it has/will, and the courts will decide whether or not the claims of executive privileged is legit. Our legal system moves slow...criminals move fast, it's always been the case.
 
Lewandowski pulled down his pants and showed Nadler his front and back-side, metaphorically speaking!

Not a fan of Trump, but I don’t see him losing 2020, at this stage anyway.
 
Mach said:
There is remedy, it's got to go to the courts. My understanding is it has/will, and the courts will decide whether or not the claims of executive privileged is legit. Our legal system moves slow...criminals move fast, it's always been the case.
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Doesn’t DOJ have to forward charges to the Judicial branch?
 
Rexedgar said:
Doesn’t DOJ have to forward charges to the Judicial branch?
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No idea. Your question was the first question sked by the host (Katy in this case) after the first break, apparently everyone is wondering the same.
The response from experts was that of course Lewandoski, who wasn't even employed by the government, cannot hide behind "executive privilege", but it's go to go to the courts for a ruling before he can be further compelled.
Nadler can't rule on it, just as a Republican nutter can't when they are in power.
 
Rexedgar said:
When did Congress become so lame as far as subpoenas and false/misleading testimony?

There seem to be no consequences in flipping them off, imo.

What does “contempt of Congress” mean?

TBH, I hold the bunch in contempt!
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The velvet hammer of enforcement of a Congressional Subpoena is the Justice Dept. Who runs the DOJ these days? Well its Trump political hack, Bill Barr. So now you know why there appears to be no recourse and no apparent penalty to being unresponsive to a Congressional Subpoena. Also the DOJ is the velvet hammer of enforcement of a Contempt of Congress charge. Same problem.

Notice the only guys in these hearings that have shown some personal sensitivity to a Contempt of Congress charge are lawyers called to testify like Bill Barr himself. Bill Barr is an attorney and his longterm personal hope is to come out of this with his reputation as an attorney intact. I would suggest to AG Barr that he has exposed himself to be so much of a political hack that avoiding a Contempt of Congress charge won't spare him in that regard.

Used to be that the Congress could use its Sgt at Arms to deal with unresponsive witnesses. That is no longer the case, though if the Article 2 officers of government are going to continue to ignore the Article 1 officers of government I might suggest that Congress reinstitute its own muscle.
 
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Mach said:
No idea. Your question was the first question sked by the host (Katy in this case) after the first break, apparently everyone is wondering the same.
The response from experts was that of course Lewandoski, who wasn't even employed by the government, cannot hide behind "executive privilege", but it's go to go to the courts for a ruling before he can be further compelled.
Nadler can't rule on it, just as a Republican nutter can't when they are in power.
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I keep confusing you with a lawyer here.........:2wave:
 
independentusa said:
I think it is way too easy for those who come before Congress from both parties to lie, way to easy. If it were up to me I would simply have those who are going to testify attached to lie detector equipment and have each answer determined for the truth, a lie or undetermined. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if this were done. I would bet we would get more truth and even more 5th Amendment chants. Ii know it will never happen, but if I were in Congress I would certainly push for a law to make it legal. What do you think?
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I think you both don't know how lie detectors work - all the controlled circumstances needed, to only yes/no questions or very simple answers - nor how they don't work, the unreliability that correctly denies their use as evidence in court, but only as an investigative tool.

I would be fine though with strict prosecution of proven lying to Congress. I don't know why Lewindowski isn't under arrest now if he refused to answer questions without any legal justification, or why administration officials aren't under arrest if they refuse valid subpoenas, and why trump isn't impeached for ordering them to break the law on Congress's oversight power.
 
independentusa said:
Why, because the truth would then be out for all of the country to see, hear and know. I think you like it much better when those who come before congress can lie. Why is that by the way?
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1. We already have laws to deal with those who lie to Congress.

2. A lie detector is not reliable.

3. Forcing someone to submit to a lie detector is likely unconstitutional.

In other words...stupid.
 
jnug said:
TBill Barr is an attorney and his longterm personal hope is to come out of this with his reputation as an attorney intact. I would suggest to AG Barr that he has exposed himself to be so much of a political hack that avoiding a Contempt of Congress charge won't spare him in that regard.
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Boy, that ship has sailed. I doubt that's his agenda.
 
Craig234 said:
Boy, that ship has sailed. I doubt that's his agenda.
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Good point...There is the chance that Barr worries that we will someday have an actual AG again, one that represents the people of the United States, not the President of the United States and that AG drops the velvet hammer on him were he charged with Contempt of Congress!
 
independentusa said:
I think it is way too easy for those who come before Congress from both parties to lie, way to easy. If it were up to me I would simply have those who are going to testify attached to lie detector equipment and have each answer determined for the truth, a lie or undetermined. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if this were done. I would bet we would get more truth and even more 5th Amendment chants. Ii know it will never happen, but if I were in Congress I would certainly push for a law to make it legal. What do you think?
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Hearings are for show.
 
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