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Goodbye America?

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Excellent! I could have written the script though James R. did it much better than I could. I have long felt that the ultimate goal of modern American progressivism is to destroy, tear down, obliterate the America that we once were. And then they will remake it into the shiny but flawed image of Utopia that they imagine, however fuzzy and incomprehensible, as it is. They will loathe and hate the America then think they want should they ever be able to attain it. But by then it will be too late. They will have returned us to the bondage from which the Founders and the Constitution freed us.
 
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I think it's a waste of my time to watch anything from prager u, once I saw the source I knew it was just conservative shameless political manipulation with lies, and brainwashing from that POS. Years ago, Prager was somewhat truthful and respectable, now he's hit bottom, he's nothing but a scumbag in so many ways.

How a Los Angeles-based conservative became one of the internet'''s biggest sensations - Los Angeles Times

The concise videos PragerU launches onto the internet every week to indoctrinate and motivate conservatives have been watched more than 2 billion times, according to the group’s count. Independent analysis done for The Times by Tubular Labs, a video measurement company, largely backs up that claim.

PragerU consistently spends more on Facebook advertising than major political campaigns and national advocacy groups. It ranks among the 10 biggest political spenders on the platform.

“It is a sophisticated campaign to indoctrinate young people,” said Tara McGowan, chief executive of Acronym, a nonprofit that advises progressives on digital campaigning. “The amount of money they are putting behind it is alarming and significant. They seem to have created a savvy way to push an ideology onto an audience and get a tax break in the process.”

Like Trump, many of them brand most mainstream news deceitful. And, as with Trump, PragerU’s critics say it is sometimes selective with facts.

The Southern Poverty Law Center warns that several PragerU videos, such as one arguing that black Americans are coddled by society, “function as dog whistles to the extreme right.”

The Weather Channel branded PragerU’s challenges to global warming “a course in climate misinformation.” After watching a few PragerU videos, Princeton University historian Kevin Kruse tweeted that they were “utterly wrong on the facts.”

To amplify that content, the group has an annual budget of nearly $23 million, fueled in part by donations from religious conservatives, including $800,000 last year from Texan Lee Roy Mitchell, owner of a global movie theater chain and ally of the conservative Koch brothers. Other big donors include GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson’s Maccabee Task Force, and the foundation of Adelson’s top deputy, Michael Leven.

Most of the seed money for PragerU came from Dan and Farris Wilks, billionaire brothers from east Texas who made their fortune from fracking and run a church called the Assembly of Yahweh. Farris Wilks preaches at the church. In his sermons, he has compared homosexuality to bestiality and declared climate change the will of God.
 
The country really needs to split up. Progressivism is incompatible with individual rights and American ideals. Eventually they're going to weasel their way into power and turn the country into a leftist s***hole, just like they have everywhere else.

How is progressivism incompatible with individual rights and supposed American ideals? What leftist ****holes where us progressives have ruined and would use as a model for the US?

What do you think that progressives would do if they were in power and how would your life change for the worse?
 
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I graduated college recently. I think he is full of it. I wasn’t taught American history was all horrible. But when he said that when people are taught only negative things about America, they have no respect for American’s institutions... that made me think of Trump. Trump talks horribly about America and it’s direction, until he is in charge. Now he threatens us saying things would be worse if he isn’t re-elected

My my actual opinion is the guy is spouting nationalism. American history has good times and bad times. I am comfortable learning it all. If you can’t studying actual history without feeling bad about your country or race, then you need to figure your own problems out.
 
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"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt."

Book III of Odes, Horace
circa 20 BC

"In all things I yearn for the past. Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased. I find that even among the splendid pieces of furniture built by our master cabinetmakers, those in the old forms are the most pleasing. And as for writing letters, surviving scraps from the past reveal how superb the phrasing used to be. The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say "raise the carriage shafts" or "trim the lamp wick," but people today say "raise it" or "trim it." When they should say, "Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!" they say, "Torches! Let's have some light!" Instead of calling the place where the lectures on the Sutra of the Golden Light are delivered before the emperor "the Hall of the Imperial Lecture," they shorten it to "the Lecture Hall," a deplorable corruption, an old gentleman complained."

Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō
1330 - 1332

"Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded."

The Wise-Man's Forecast against the Evill Time, Thomas Barnes
1624

"The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?"

Memoirs of the Bloomsgrove Family, Reverend Enos Hitchcock
1790

"...a fearful multitude of untutored savages... [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits...[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody...the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly."

Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons
February 28, 1843

“Probably there is no period in history in which young people have given such emphatic utterance to a tendency to reject that which is old and to wish for that which is new.”

Young People Drinking More, Portsmouth Evening News, 1936
 
Excellent! I could have written the script though James R. did it much better than I could. I have long felt that the ultimate goal of modern American progressivism is to destroy, tear down, obliterate the America that we once were. And then they will remake it into the shiny but flawed image of Utopia that they imagine, however fuzzy and incomprehensible, as it is. They will loathe and hate the America then think they want should they ever be able to attain it. But by then it will be too late. They will have returned us to the bondage from which the Founders and the Constitution freed us.

If progressives are teaching people to revile their own history in order to create utopia, how is that going to work when everybody is ashamed because their history? Is you’re idea of utopia holding yourself responsible for wrongs of the dead? Lying to people about history and using using history as propaganda is often done to control populations, and it’s usually a PC version of history promoting greatness, mythology, and state propaganda. But no, you’re literally arguing this is propaganda designed to induce national shame as means to obtain utopia

Doesn’t make sense
 
Why do you think the colonialists brought slaves to every colony?

Let's go over how this works. The colonies were big business. You had huge companies like the Dutch East India company that were wealthier than entire nations. And slaves working plantation to bring spice, sugar, cotton and other commodities were an essential part of this business. So, it is fair to say that all colonies, including America, were built upon slavery.
What flavor was your Kool Aid? :roll:
 
Ok, I'll play


Here's two

- My grandparents were tobacco farmers- FACT
- They never ventured far from their home- FACT

Unlike Biden truth over fact discussion, you do understand the difference between facts and opinion right? I'm a little skeptical

-VySky

Like I said its personal experience. Doesn't necessarily represent others experience. You can't form a general opinion on one personal experience. I grew up in Queens and then the northern suburbs of NYC. I bet my experience was quite different than yours.
 
No, IMO it is not a false choice.

The phrase "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" is apropos of our current social ills. Throughout history great nations have risen and fallen based on the faith and loyalty of the citizens to the ideals and foundational belief systems which created those nations in the first place. As soon as people lose that faith and loyalty, the decline and fall becomes inevitable.

Our nation was not "built on slavery." Slavery existed, and that was a bad thing, but it was not universally accepted else there would never have been a "war between North and South." Racism existed, and still does throughout the world. But that is part of our inherent tribalistic nature. A nature one sees exhibited by our lesser primate cousins in the wild, living within a few miles of each other as they battle over territory and for resources and breeding rights.

It is a good thing that we strive to overcome the "evils" inherent in our basic natures, and learn from our mistakes. But IMO it is a bad thing to constantly wallow in them seeking "privileges and special treatment" instead of learning from them and moving on with pride in our ability to adapt and improve on the past.

That is the problem with your response. We are not accepting the "binary" you assert. We are denigrating the "good," highlighting the "evil," and seeking a complete dissolution of the old in favor of some idealistic and unrealistic "vision" of a new utopia. That is the dystopian view that has always led to decadence and the downfall of just about every past society in history.

IMO we should embrace the past, learn from our mistakes while still resting our faith and pride on the foundational ideals posited by those people of vision which led us to the be the "greatest experiment in government" to date in history. Otherwise, we will simply fail and end up like every other great nation, rotted from the inside out, and replaced by a new "barbaric" culture.

In the immortal words of Abe Lincoln, "a Nation divided against itself, cannot stand." We see that in our current ideological divide, how viciously so many abhor our past achievements in pursuit of the new socialist dialectic. Seeking "one-party rule" to force changes "now" rather than respect how our current system has actually worked to allow for a natural change toward realization of the ideals espoused by those men and women who founded this nation.

How about actual facts? This whole founding myth or narrative requirement is bunk.
 
What flavor was your Kool Aid? :roll:

Oh, I didn't have what you had. I don't drink.

Now back the question: Didn't colonies make money by selling spices, sugar, cotton and other agricultural commodities? Didn't they need slaves to extract those resources? So isn't it fair to say that slavery was the foundation of colonial growth?
 
No, IMO it is not a false choice.

The phrase "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" is apropos of our current social ills. Throughout history great nations have risen and fallen based on the faith and loyalty of the citizens to the ideals and foundational belief systems which created those nations in the first place. As soon as people lose that faith and loyalty, the decline and fall becomes inevitable.

Our nation was not "built on slavery." Slavery existed, and that was a bad thing, but it was not universally accepted else there would never have been a "war between North and South." Racism existed, and still does throughout the world. But that is part of our inherent tribalistic nature. A nature one sees exhibited by our lesser primate cousins in the wild, living within a few miles of each other as they battle over territory and for resources and breeding rights.

It is a good thing that we strive to overcome the "evils" inherent in our basic natures, and learn from our mistakes. But IMO it is a bad thing to constantly wallow in them seeking "privileges and special treatment" instead of learning from them and moving on with pride in our ability to adapt and improve on the past.

That is the problem with your response. We are not accepting the "binary" you assert. We are denigrating the "good," highlighting the "evil," and seeking a complete dissolution of the old in favor of some idealistic and unrealistic "vision" of a new utopia. That is the dystopian view that has always led to decadence and the downfall of just about every past society in history.

IMO we should embrace the past, learn from our mistakes while still resting our faith and pride on the foundational ideals posited by those people of vision which led us to the be the "greatest experiment in government" to date in history. Otherwise, we will simply fail and end up like every other great nation, rotted from the inside out, and replaced by a new "barbaric" culture.

In the immortal words of Abe Lincoln, "a Nation divided against itself, cannot stand." We see that in our current ideological divide, how viciously so many abhor our past achievements in pursuit of the new socialist dialectic. Seeking "one-party rule" to force changes "now" rather than respect how our current system has actually worked to allow for a natural change toward realization of the ideals espoused by those men and women who founded this nation.

If we teach the history of slavery, then we are teaching history. You call it highlighting slavery. Sorry to tell you, but slavery is the legacy of how some people got to America. People take DNA tests, because they are interested in such facts about their family. Slavery is a deep personal history for some families in America.

And side note for the white shame crowd, the history of American slavery isn’t just full of evil white people. Many white people like the Levi Coffin risked himself to construct the underground. My sister’s friend grew up in a house on the Underground Railroad. It is the legacy of northern states, and families alive today. We see it in the architecture here.

Learning about slavery shouldn’t be offensive or wrong, and when one obviously learns about slavery, look around, it doesn’t exist anymore. We obviously overcame slavery, so I don’t know what you fear. You learn history of slavery and automatically know the greatness of overcoming. Both historical facts are intertwined.

There is nothing inherently dangerous about learning any kind history, including slavery.
 
The country really needs to split up. Progressivism is incompatible with individual rights and American ideals. Eventually they're going to weasel their way into power and turn the country into a leftist s***hole, just like they have everywhere else.

‘Everywhere else’ as in Denmark? New Zealand? Sweden? Switzerland? The Netherlands? Canada?

Btw, I just named some of the happiest countries in the world.
 
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Wow, I only watched the first minute and stopped. That was enough BS.

According to the video all we learned in school was about the terrible things the U.S. did. That's a load of B.S. We didn't learn even one-tenth of all of the terrible things we did. Only after school did I learn.

This is more of an attempt to appeal to nationalism over reason.
 
Freedom from Socialism.

Lol, so you’d replace one dictator with another dictator. That’s like being asked ‘how would you like to be tortured today?’ and calling it ‘liberty.’
 
I didn't say it was, I said progressivism was. The only reason any leftist cares about American history it to use it for political gain. For example, progressives luv to bring up slavery in order to push for the idiotic idea of reparations.

They never got their 40 Acres and a Mule, did they?
 
The country really needs to split up. Progressivism is incompatible with individual rights and American ideals. Eventually they're going to weasel their way into power and turn the country into a leftist s***hole, just like they have everywhere else.

I'd gladly let all the Red States leave the Union. They can go pray the candles stay lit during the next storm as they mark up the weather map with a sharpie.
 
The concept that the country was "build on slavery" is vapid, at best. As he pointed out we fought a war less than a hundred years after founding to eradicate slavery. And from founding the prevailing national mood was to contain and abolish slavery.

De Jure slavery ended in 1865. De facto slavery, not so much.
 
I'd gladly let all the Red States leave the Union. They can go pray the candles stay lit during the next storm as they mark up the map with a sharpie.

And wherever the hurricanes hit, they can be content knowing it was to punish the ‘sinful’ homosexuals.
 
I graduated college recently. I think he is full of it. I wasn’t taught American history was all horrible. But when he said that when people are taught only negative things about America, they have no respect for American’s institutions... that made me think of Trump. Trump talks horribly about America and it’s direction, until he is in charge. Now he threatens us saying things would be worse if he isn’t re-elected

My my actual opinion is the guy is spouting nationalism. American history has good times and bad times. I am comfortable learning it all. If you can’t studying actual history without feeling bad about your country or race, then you need to figure your own problems out.

It is interesting to see how many on the right want to accuse the left of revisionism when they don’t even want us to mention that Washington and Jefferson had slaves.
 
If you can’t studying actual history without feeling bad about your country or race, then you need to figure your own problems out.

On the contrary, if studying history makes you feel bad about the color of your skin, then you're one with the problem.
 

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They never got their 40 Acres and a Mule, did they?

I don't know, and it doesn't matter, because I've never owned slaves, and I'm not responsible for what other people did to each other 150 years ago.
 
I don't know,

You don’t know? Better take a US History class then.


and it doesn't matter, because I've never owned slaves, and I'm not responsible for what other people did to each other 150 years ago.

I’m also not responsible when a police officer abuses their power and the government has to pay a settlement to a victim and/or family members of the victim. Doesn’t stop them from using my tax dollars, nor should it.
 
Looking at the 2016 election map, the idea of "letting us leave" is kind of funny.

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When will you learn that acres don't vote? Most of that land in the central part of the US is an unpopulated forest, prairie or farmland. Farmer Bob, despite his 1200 acres, only gets one vote, which is the very same as Mary who lives in a 750 sq foot apartment in Brooklyn.
 
I liked the everyone's posts on the first page. Let's venture inside a history class in 1986 when I started college as a freshman, not a first year.



Fortunately, I had extremely balanced history teachers who emphasized the good that is western civilization and America while never failing to criticize the bad. The good outweighs the bad IMHO.
 
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