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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    ... I care about policy. Biden doesn't support the policies I support.
    It does not matter whether Biden supports policies that you support. What matters is whether your policies are more aligned with Trump or Biden.

    And with Trump you have the fun wild card of a potential nuclear war if he keeps going down the lane that he is; or a slower death to humans via environmental damage his policies will be doing.

    Anyway, most people never get to chose someone who is 70% aligned with their policies. Welcome to USA where we have a 2-party system.

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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavister View Post
    It does not matter whether Biden supports policies that you support. What matters is whether your policies are more aligned with Trump or Biden.

    And with Trump you have the fun wild card of a potential nuclear war if he keeps going down the lane that he is; or a slower death to humans via environmental damage his policies will be doing.

    Anyway, most people never get to chose someone who is 70% aligned with their policies. Welcome to USA where we have a 2-party system.
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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    I can and will complain about both. Just as I'd assume you'd complain if Biden turned out to be a terrible president. The burden isn't on me to support Biden, the burden is on me to stop Biden because he's the weakest candidate to go up against Trump. The calculation for Biden is everyone coalescing around Biden once he wins the nomination. It didn't work for Hillary, who I voted for, and it won't work for Biden if its a tight race.
    It didn't happen for Hillary. Record numbers of democrats defected and voted 3rd party because she was a weak candidate, like you are proposing if Biden is selected. That's why she lost. It did happen for Trump, however. Republicans joined forces and locked arms around their candidate regardless of how distasteful they found him. And it worked.

    I don't fault you for voting your conscience. But American democracy is winner take all. A 3rd party vote in 2020 is a vote for four more years of Trump.

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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    It didn't happen for Hillary. Record numbers of democrats defected and voted 3rd party because she was a weak candidate, like you are proposing if Biden is selected. That's why she lost.
    No. I don't agree with that.

    Clinton lost because she played to win the national popular vote rather than the electoral college, you know the one that actually counts.

    Clinton won the popular vote by about 2.6 million, but didn't really campaign in the rust belt states. She assumed, it would swing toward her like what happened with the previous Democrat Presidents for the past 21 years.

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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavister View Post
    It does not matter whether Biden supports policies that you support. What matters is whether your policies are more aligned with Trump or Biden.
    Your commentary is correct. It's about which candidate you most closely align with. For liberals, I don't really see the problem with Biden. If he's President, I see him putting on liberal justices onto the supreme court and signing off on pretty much every single liberal legislation coming across his desk.

    Getting huffy over Biden's suggestion that poor communities need more social workers seems a bit silly.

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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavister View Post
    It does not matter whether Biden supports policies that you support. What matters is whether your policies are more aligned with Trump or Biden.
    Your commentary is correct. It's about which candidate you most closely align with. For liberals, I don't really see the problem with Biden. If he's President, I see him putting on liberal justices onto the supreme court and signing off on pretty much every single liberal legislation coming across his desk.

    Getting huffy over Biden's suggestion that poor communities need more social workers seems a bit silly.

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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by itstony View Post
    Imagine the anguish for never-trump Republicans such as myself. I feel a genuine loyalty to my party and conservative beliefs and I've voted red in every election since Ronald Reagan in 1980. 2016 was the first time I didn't just vote down the party line as an option, I voted for all Republicans and wrote in Cruz. Admittedly, I am much more of a centrist on many issues but still consider myself a conservative. I now sit back and watch the orange buffoon we have leading my beloved party and can't believe what I'm seeing, both from him and that small devoted core of his that can justify everything he does while they criticize others for doing far less. They can actually support a man that has openly and publicly lied to them on the same level as Bill Clinton's "I did not have relations with that woman" comment to congress along with countless other lies and then use "whataboutism" as an excuse.

    I did not and will not vote for Trump, I will hold out for a primary candidate although it doesn't look likely. In the absence of one I will vote for a Dem this cycle for president as I feel any change from Trump will have far less long term damage done to our great nation.

    I think back to the times I've been fortunate enough to sit and talk with Mitt over the years and feel very sad for what could have been.
    Your post makes no sense. You claim to be a conservative but will vote for a left wing kook if thats who the dems put up? Tell me what policies Trump is pursuing that you disagree with. Is it tax cuts you disagree with? Reducing regulations? Improving trade agreements? Border security? Conservative judges? You claim to be a conservative then declare that you are going to vote against the most conservative president we have ever had. Thats insane.
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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    The 2016 election was a dumpster fire. I almost didn't vote, but ended up pulling for Clinton because she signed on to much of the platform Bernie wrote. And for a few other reasons.

    I can't and won't vote for Biden under any circumstances. He's demonstrably worse than Clinton in every way. And yes, while Biden is better than Trump, the calculation is not sufficient to get me on Biden's team. What sealed it for me was the last debate.

    His suggestion that black people don't know how to raise their children was just out-and-out racist, and his answer from then veered into an incoherent ramble on Venezuela. If this is the best Dems can do, I'm out. Let the moderates save the country from Trump, if they can.

    Biden's incoherent ramble...

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    Nina Turner's epic response.
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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    The 2016 election was a dumpster fire. I almost didn't vote, but ended up pulling for Clinton because she signed on to much of the platform Bernie wrote. And for a few other reasons.

    I can't and won't vote for Biden under any circumstances. He's demonstrably worse than Clinton in every way. And yes, while Biden is better than Trump, the calculation is not sufficient to get me on Biden's team. What sealed it for me was the last debate.

    His suggestion that black people don't know how to raise their children was just out-and-out racist, and his answer from then veered into an incoherent ramble on Venezuela. If this is the best Dems can do, I'm out. Let the moderates save the country from Trump, if they can.

    Biden's incoherent ramble...

    ...

    Nina Turner's epic response.
    I'm just the opposite. I couldn't vote for Clinton, ended up voting third party against both Clinton and Trump. I wanted that vote officially registered as being anti Trump and anti Clinton. Now I would vote for Biden against Trump. Some others, no way, third party once again. Whether or not I vote for a democrat or third party all depends on who the Democrats nominate.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Voted for Clinton, can't vote for Biden

    The OP is yanking your chain people.. He didn't vote for Clinton in 2016 and he has NO intention of voting for ANY Democrat in 2020.
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