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Why do people support Warren over Bernie?

Craig234 said:
Perhaps you should vote on issues, and not on word nuances you feel. Your choice though, if the word 'socialist' in 'Democratic Socialist' is more important to you than issues and policies. He does come across that way a lot. Is that style more important to you than issues and policies also? I know some very sweet-talking Republicans who are not Democratic Socialists you can be happy with.
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Perhaps you misunderstood my reply....I was responding to why people support Warren over Sanders....and offering my perception as to why I believe they do; not why I support Warren over sanders, as I support neither.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No, it doesn't. It doesn't make any of that okay because that is what helped Trump win, a lot of people staying home and refusing to vote, because the candidate (in this case, Hillary) did not meet their purity test.
She didn't meet a lot of tests for me, but I reluctantly held my nose and pulled the H lever.
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You're equating the behavior above against Bernie supporters, with the few Bernie supporters who stayed home and made the bad choice to not vote for Hillary, against Bernie's campaigning for her. You and I both did not like her, and supported her and voted for her. Why are you changing the topic from the poster's behavior above, to the few Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary?

And I'll pull another lever in November 2020, and it won't be for some pie in the sky third party candidate who will just help Trump win again. I cannot afford such a luxury...I couldn't afford it in 2016 and I can afford it even less this time around.
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We agree - and that has nothing to do with the topic of my post of the poster's behavior.
 
Craig234 said:
If he's the choice of the Democratic voters, and he wants to be their leader, who are you to tell them they can't vote for him? If he's not, he won't win. Now you can go back to your straw men about Bernie supporters.
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Hmmm.... I never said anything like that. Why are you making up things. In fact, quoting me IN THAT POST that you didn't have the common courtesy to quote and respond to I said this:

I don't really mind Bernie running. I'm not voting for him, but if he wins, that's fine and I'll easily choose him over Trump. I just get tired of the whining. I also have no problems with the 20% or so who support Bernie. But the thing is, win or lose, we'll all need to be on the same ship, rowing the same direction,
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The person I responded to said Bernie isn't a Democrat. Well, you seem to think he is, but if he's not and his supporters want to disown the Democratic party as a criminal gang as that person does, that's fine, Bernie can run as an independent and/or we Democrats will support a Democratic nominee. If you don't like that attitude, then you shouldn't be pushing Democrats away like we're poison.
 
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Winston said:
I haven't been to WV in a long time. Is it still Trump country? I remember the WV Town Hall with Bernie Sanders indicated it could go populist left, if the Democrats would just MOVE LEFT already.
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There is a lot of support for Bernie, but the demographics of the state make it really hard to elect genuine lefties. A lot of young people leave and old people prefer conservative democrats or republicans. It's an uphill battle. We do have an interesting grassroots movement taking shape across the state, but I think it will be some time before it becomes a real threat to power.
 
Bum said:
Perhaps you misunderstood my reply....I was responding to why people support Warren over Sanders....and offering my perception as to why I believe they do; not why I support Warren over sanders, as I support neither.
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OK, thanks for clarifying - in that case, my comments are to the people you described.
 
Redress said:
Warren is not as insane as Sanders. You could add that Warren is actually a democrat, while Sanders takes pride in not being one, until he wants something from democrats.
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What makes Warren insane?
 
MrPeanut said:
There is a lot of support for Bernie, but the demographics of the state make it really hard to elect genuine lefties. A lot of young people leave and old people prefer conservative democrats or republicans. It's an uphill battle. We do have an interesting grassroots movement taking shape across the state, but I think it will be some time before it becomes a real threat to power.
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That sounds right - but Bernie does surprisingly well with a lot of red state people, unlike other Democrats. It is hard to imagine Bernie winning there over a Republican, but worth a try, and glad to hear the grassroots are growing.
 
JasperL said:
[Bernie's] supporters want to disown the Democratic party as a criminal gang as that person does
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Ya, that's worse than a lot of trump/trumpista dishonesty. At least you aren't subtle and don't make me have to explain what you mean.
 
Cardinal said:
I had to explain to my wife that superdelegates didn't cost Bernie the Primary in 2016. Don't get me wrong, superdelegates are an awful look, but their existence was allowed to tarnish the results of the Primary, and Bernie did nothing to fix the record. Bernie was one brick in a wall of bricks that led to Trump's Presidency.
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The kind of funny thing was that at the end, when it was a dead certainty that Bernie couldn't win a majority of non-super delegates (because he got 4 million fewer votes, won fewer primaries, fewer pledged delegates), he ran a campaign to get the uncommitted super delegates to back him, so he'd get the nomination despite losing the committed delegate count. :roll:
 
Craig234 said:
That sounds right - but Bernie does surprisingly well with a lot of red state people, unlike other Democrats. It is hard to imagine Bernie winning there over a Republican, but worth a try, and glad to hear the grassroots are growing.
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He would do the best out of any of the Democratic candidates. There is some energy here with the teacher's strikes and the campaign I've been volunteering for but it is frustrating. A lot of people like the idea of Medicare for All and love Trump at the same time.
 
Craig234 said:
Ya, that's worse than a lot of trump/trumpista dishonesty. At least you aren't subtle and don't make me have to explain what you mean.
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If you're calling me dishonest (I can't tell because that post is really confusing) then at least have the common courtesy to quote me in context. I'll do it since you didn't:

The person I responded to said Bernie isn't a Democrat. Well, you seem to think he is, but if he's not and his supporters want to disown the Democratic party as a criminal gang as that person does, that's fine, Bernie can run as an independent and/or we Democrats will support a Democratic nominee. If you don't like that attitude, then you shouldn't be pushing Democrats away like we're poison.
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That bolded seems to add the missing context, and it was that I was responding to a specific claim by another person who has called the Democratic party a criminal gang many times this thread, said Bernie isn't a Democrat, etc....
 
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JasperL said:
The kind of funny thing was that at the end, when it was a dead certainty that Bernie couldn't win a majority of non-super delegates (because he got 4 million fewer votes, won fewer primaries, fewer pledged delegates), he ran a campaign to get the uncommitted super delegates to back him, so he'd get the nomination despite losing the committed delegate count. :roll:
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Wow. I didn't know that. Jesus.
 
justabubba said:
Warren has a skill set that Bernie does not. the only other candidate who matches her - if not exceeds her - is mayor Pete. Liz has the rare ability to take complex issues and explain them in ways that enables the average person to then understand the matter
in contrast, Bernie is like your older jewish uncle myron, who knows what he is talking about, but you get tired of hearing him say the same things, despite that what he is saying is the truth and deserves to be heard
Warren's ability may be innate or it could be the result of growing up on the margins and then being a teacher and eventually becoming a lawyer. whatever created it, it is her gift
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And it was that gift that set the republicans after her in the first place. She was calling for "blood" on the housing crash. And everybody was listening, left AND right.

So we got the "fauxcahontas" thing. Which was evidently all they could find. And I never thought they could sell it. But my tendency to want to believe people can see through this **** was again defied by reality.
 
JasperL said:
If you're calling me dishonest (I can't tell because that post is really confusing) then at least have the common courtesy to quote me in context. I'll do it since you didn't:

The person I responded to said Bernie isn't a Democrat. Well, you seem to think he is, but if he's not and his supporters want to disown the Democratic party as a criminal gang as that person does, that's fine, Bernie can run as an independent and/or we Democrats will support a Democratic nominee. If you don't like that attitude, then you shouldn't be pushing Democrats away like we're poison.
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That bolded seems to add the missing context, and it was that I was responding to a specific claim by another person who has called the Democratic party a criminal gang many times this thread, said Bernie isn't a Democrat, etc....
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So, the context is you were talking about that one person? Funny way to say that, with "his supporters want to disown the Democratic party as a criminal gang as that person does". "His supporters" is a lot broader than the poster. If you had only talked about the poster, it'd be different.
 
Cardinal said:
Wow. I didn't know that. Jesus.
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He was acting under the rules that exist - which he wanted to change, and partly did get changed. Funny thing - if they had, which was the purpose they'd been created for even though he and I disagree with that purpose - we'd probably have President Sanders now instead of trump. It was controversial, I'm not endorsing it, but in the context it was more justifiable. Hillary had bought the party to help her, wrongly.
 
MrPeanut said:
He would do the best out of any of the Democratic candidates. There is some energy here with the teacher's strikes and the campaign I've been volunteering for but it is frustrating. A lot of people like the idea of Medicare for All and love Trump at the same time.
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Medicare for All, Medicare for None - pretty similar!
 
JasperL said:
The kind of funny thing was that at the end, when it was a dead certainty that Bernie couldn't win a majority of non-super delegates (because he got 4 million fewer votes, won fewer primaries, fewer pledged delegates), he ran a campaign to get the uncommitted super delegates to back him, so he'd get the nomination despite losing the committed delegate count. :roll:
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Sanders’ 2016 campaign manager Jeff Weaver is a back-stabbing piece of **** that was part of that perfect trump storm. He’s now stabbing Warren in the back. **** Weaver and Sanders and the Faux Bros DEMolition Squad.

And now we have Sanders out in Nevada this weekend bashing Biden. Nevada was one of the contentious caucus states early on in 2016, like Iowa. Let’s face it. These turd 💩 party voters and non voters cannot be depended on, as we’ve seen since REDMAP 2010.
 
Craig234 said:
So, the context is you were talking about that one person? Funny way to say that, with "his supporters want to disown the Democratic party as a criminal gang as that person does". "His supporters" is a lot broader than the poster. If you had only talked about the poster, it'd be different.
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I can't help with your reading comprehension problems. I started it with "The person I responded to..." and included after the snipped quote "as that person does" but you do you. You're winning friends, and influencing people fabulously by pissing off people who are, or should be, your political allies. The misleading partial quoting, and ignoring context, and dismissing entire arguments to split hairs, is also great.

Bravo! :applaud
 
Craig234 said:
Stopped reading there - what I see are dishonest people like you. The Hillary supporters were far nastier and more divisive to Bernie and his supporters, than Bernie supporters were to them.
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Craig234's go-to killer debate moves:

- Announce he did not read the post he is running his mouth about

- Dishonest editing.

- Calling people dishonest.




I'm sure if you call JasperL a few more names, he'll support Bernie.
 
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JasperL said:
I can't help with your reading comprehension problems. I started it with "The person I responded to..." and included after the snipped quote "as that person does" but you do you. You're winning friends, and influencing people fabulously by pissing off people who are, or should be, your political allies. The misleading partial quoting, and ignoring context, and dismissing entire arguments to split hairs, is also great.

Bravo! :applaud
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The problem is your writing comprehension.

You think that when you say 'Bernie's supporters and the poster above' that you didn't mention Bernie's supporters, only the poster above. I'm done with this and do not plan to read or reply to you again on this.
 
Redress said:
75 % insane is a whole lot better than 200 % insane.
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What a nonsense and absurd attack this is. Completely unacceptable. The rest of the developed world has made platforms like bernies work and i will tolerate absolutely no insane crap American exceptionalism arguments to say otherwise.

Bernie has some holes in his game for sure and some valid criticism can be and should be leveled at him but this is completely insane to say hes a loon.
 
Warren is fine but Trump will eat her alive and the racist bigotry will get so many people so fired up. I would have no problem with a president Warren I just have no faith this country is ready for a woman the republicans claim used fake race claims to get ahead.
 
RAMOSS said:
I think Bernie does have the blind spot on foreign policy. She is also younger. Bernie has some good ideas, but he tends to see everything through the lens of 'economic inequality'. It's important, but he has one hammer, and everything is a nail.
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I think you're right on the two main points - that Bernie has very good instincts and values on foreign policy, but it isn't his focus and there's a bit of a 'blind spot'; and that economic inequality dominates his policies. The thing is, I think that economic inequality is critically important to dominate the president's policies in this race to plutocracy we're on. It's the most important issue and a reason to support Sanders over laundry list issue candidates.
 
Obscurity said:
Warren is fine but Trump will eat her alive and the racist bigotry will get so many people so fired up. I would have no problem with a president Warren I just have no faith this country is ready for a woman the republicans claim used fake race claims to get ahead.
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I'm worried you might be right; I hope you're not. I'm not sure whether Warren would be ineffective against trump's terrible campaigning or destroy him; his one main skill seems to come from his decades of reality tv type demagogue attacking. Look how the 'Pocohantas' garbage stuck. She might destroy him with more rational people, and he might appeal to more ignorant people. Bernie, I suspect, would wipe him out.

Two reasons for that are that Bernie's voters overlap more with trump voters than Warren's - there were a lot of working class people on the right it seemed last election who said Bernie was their first choice, but voted for trump, as trump ran to the left of Hillary, claiming he'd 'drain the swamp' and that he was against the elites and would raise taxes on them and be all about jobs and so on.

Currently, Bernie's supporters come a lot more from the working class, while Warren's a lot more from the well educated. Bernie can gut the working class voters for trump a lot better than Warren can.

The second reason is that Bernie's policies take away trump's ability to 'run to the left' to appeal to working class voters again. Those voters understand Bernie is 'the real deal' on those issues, and see how trump lied about it. So I think Bernie would get most Democrats, most independents, and even some Republicans - only most Republicans and people who fall for 'Bernie is a radical socialist' propaganda would likely pick trump.
 
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