Why do people support Warren over Bernie?

Just curious, polls have them about tied for second place.

Curious what Warren is offering that Bernie isn't? To me Warren has a blind spot on foreign policy, where Bernie does not. And she's willing to play ball with the corporate interests that Bernie has vowed to fight.

75 % insane is a whole lot better than 200 % insane.

It's really tough for me.

I hate trying to choose based on the idea of "electability", but Bernie has a big "socialism" problem. And also he has developed a reputation for giving the same loud answer over and over. Warren has shown herself to be very good at communication.


I hated how she refused to step up and run in 2015. Then how she refused to step up and help Bernie when it could have made a difference in 2016. Then the ironic things she said about Hillary after Hillary secured enough primary votes for the nomination -- can't remember exactly the words but it was something along the lines of how if you cared about lessening the effects of Big Money on politics, Hillary was the one to back.

And some of the causes she "me too"-ed on in the early stages of the current campaign sounded heavy-laden with pandering.


Nevertheless, she did help me see the light, progressively speaking, back near the end of Obama's term.



Basically, I don't care. It's a hard choice trying to see who can beat someone who should already be removed from office but who continues to survive no matter how low he goes. So I don't know who's best. I just know that I'll vote for anyone who survives the Democratic primary gauntlet.

Winston said:

Just curious, polls have them about tied for second place.

Curious what Warren is offering that Bernie isn't? To me Warren has a blind spot on foreign policy, where Bernie does not. And she's willing to play ball with the corporate interests that Bernie has vowed to fight.

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Hell, I like them both. But I like Warren better because of her passion and her ability to get things done. She also has a way to make people feel comfortable and explain her positions because of her teaching background. She is also smart as ****. To me a Warren/Sanders ticket is about as good as it gets.

Redress said:

75 % insane is a whole lot better than 200 % insane.

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Hmmm...care to explain?

Middleground said:

Hmmm...care to explain?

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Warren is not as insane as Sanders. You could add that Warren is actually a democrat, while Sanders takes pride in not being one, until he wants something from democrats.

Redress said:

75 % insane is a whole lot better than 200 % insane.

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I understand where you're coming from but, we have opposite views of the world. To me, the establishment Democrats are 75% insane, the GOP is 200% insane and Bernie, AOC, and the like are the only ones with their head on straight.

Winston said:

Just curious, polls have them about tied for second place.

Curious what Warren is offering that Bernie isn't? To me Warren has a blind spot on foreign policy, where Bernie does not. And she's willing to play ball with the corporate interests that Bernie has vowed to fight.

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I think Bernie does have the blind spot on foreign policy. She is also younger. Bernie has some good ideas, but he tends to see everything through the lens of 'economic inequality'. It's important, but he has one hammer, and everything is a nail.

Warren is a special ed teacher and the left rides the short bus! :lol:

C'mon! It's ok to laugh.

I think that a lot of people view Warren as less radical than Bernie and are convinced that she is more competent when it comes to understanding policy. I still prefer Bernie, but I do appreciate the attention that Warren has given to WV. She came here to talk about her plan to fight the opioid epidemic and also endorsed the WV Can't Wait campaign which is a big deal to me.

RAMOSS said:

I think Bernie does have the blind spot on foreign policy. She is also younger. Bernie has some good ideas, but he tends to see everything through the lens of 'economic inequality'. It's important, but he has one hammer, and everything is a nail.

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Warren is 70 (doesn’t look it) and Sanders is 78. This is what we need to steer us out of this mess? They are falling all over themselves to give stuff away, at least Yang limits the damage to 1K a month.



/somewhat sarcastic

Amelia said:

It's really tough for me.

I hate trying to choose based on the idea of "electability", but Bernie has a big "socialism" problem. And also he has developed a reputation for giving the same loud answer over and over. Warren has shown herself to be very good at communication.

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Mr rebuttal to this, Trump is already calling every Democrat a socialist, and they called Obama a Marxist, called their own healthcare plan (Romneycare) socialist. They always scream about socialism, and they already scare those low information voters. The only way that socialist **** works is with low info voters, and the GOP already scares them and has been for years, way before Sanders.

I hated how she refused to step up and run in 2015. Then how she refused to step up and help Bernie when it could have made a difference in 2016. Then the ironic things she said about Hillary after Hillary secured enough primary votes for the nomination -- can't remember exactly the words but it was something along the lines of how if you cared about lessening the effects of Big Money on politics, Hillary was the one to back.

And some of the causes she "me too"-ed on in the early stages of the current campaign sounded heavy-laden with pandering.


Nevertheless, she did help me see the light, progressively speaking, back near the end of Obama's term.

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It also bothered me her playing politics in 2016. It demonstrated to me, she doesn't have the political courage to stand up to corporate America, if she couldn't A. run against the Clinton machine in 2016 herself, or endorse the candidate she agrees with more (on paper anyway), Bernie Sanders. Dropping the ball like that bothered me. It just made me think she lacks the political courage to fight the most difficult battle of our lifetimes. The one against Big Pharma, Big Oil, Military Defense Contractors, etc.

Basically, I don't care. It's a hard choice trying to see who can beat someone who should already be removed from office but who continues to survive no matter how low he goes. So I don't know who's best. I just know that I'll vote for anyone who survives the Democratic primary gauntlet.

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I'll take a ham sandwich over Trump. I've always been a 3rd party voter, but 2020, I'm voting Dems no matter who they nominate.

Rexedgar said:

Warren is 70 (doesn’t look it) and Sanders is 78. This is what we need to steer us out of this mess? They are falling all over themselves to give stuff away, at least Yang limits the damage to 1K a month.



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Well, it's at least directing the resources to the people who actually need it, rather than letting the ultra rich get much richer. The whole 'giving thing away free' is just right wing rhetoric that builds a huge straw man. What it is actually is putting into a common pool via taxes benefits for everyone. I would much subsidise health care and education rather than build things to blow people up, and give to companies that are making billions already (such as the oil industry)

RAMOSS said:

I think Bernie does have the blind spot on foreign policy. She is also younger. Bernie has some good ideas, but he tends to see everything through the lens of 'economic inequality'. It's important, but he has one hammer, and everything is a nail.

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Bernie is strong on foreign policy. Opposed the CIA backed coupes in the 80's. Opposed the Iraq war. Voted against nearly every military budget increase. Warren voted for Trump's military budget.

There are many videos of Bernie opposing war from the House and Senate floor, many, many, many videos. And he led the opposition against the Second Iraq War.

He is also pro-Palestinian rights, although I think it's best if Democrats just let that sleeping dog lie during the campaign. Too much of a powder keg topic.

And he takes no money from weapons contractors.

Winston said:

Just curious, polls have them about tied for second place.

Curious what Warren is offering that Bernie isn't? To me Warren has a blind spot on foreign policy, where Bernie does not. And she's willing to play ball with the corporate interests that Bernie has vowed to fight.

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Warren has a skill set that Bernie does not. the only other candidate who matches her - if not exceeds her - is mayor Pete. Liz has the rare ability to take complex issues and explain them in ways that enables the average person to then understand the matter
in contrast, Bernie is like your older jewish uncle myron, who knows what he is talking about, but you get tired of hearing him say the same things, despite that what he is saying is the truth and deserves to be heard
Warren's ability may be innate or it could be the result of growing up on the margins and then being a teacher and eventually becoming a lawyer. whatever created it, it is her gift

MrPeanut said:

I think that a lot of people view Warren as less radical than Bernie and are convinced that she is more competent when it comes to understanding policy. I still prefer Bernie, but I do appreciate the attention that Warren has given to WV. She came here to talk about her plan to fight the opioid epidemic and also endorsed the WV Can't Wait campaign which is a big deal to me.

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I haven't been to WV in a long time. Is it still Trump country? I remember the WV Town Hall with Bernie Sanders indicated it could go populist left, if the Democrats would just MOVE LEFT already.

Bernie, God love him, comes across as an angry old geezer sorry to say. I like him, always thought he has a lot of integrity, but he seems increasingly angry.
Warren, while she still fails to explain "how to pay for it all" , seems calm and thoughtful.
Both seem much less rehearsed than i.e. Harris, Buttigieg , or Castro the bully.

Winston said:

Just curious, polls have them about tied for second place.

Curious what Warren is offering that Bernie isn't? To me Warren has a blind spot on foreign policy, where Bernie does not. And she's willing to play ball with the corporate interests that Bernie has vowed to fight.

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I think her consumer protection record speaks for itself.

I've been a Bernie guy my whole life and will always like him, but frankly I'm a little tired of the way he divides the party. The Republican Party is for all intents and purposes 100% united (I don't consider the three candidates running against him in a Primary that won't happen to be a serious sign of party fracturing). The Democratic Party needs to be just as united.

Reasons:

1. People who simply prefer a woman over a man.

2. People who hate Bernie from 2016 (Hillary fanatics and people who have fallen for anti-Bernie propaganda).

3. People who want a younger president.

4. People who view Bernie as 'a socialist' (Warren says she is NOT a Democratic Socialist, but a capitalist)

5. People who don't really want the progressive side, but think Biden won't win and it's either Bernie or Elizabeth, and prefer Elizabeth; including party loyalists who appreciate Warren's reaching out to the party and resent Bernie's criticisms of the party and remaining an independent technically in the Senate.

RAMOSS said:

Well, it's at least directing the resources to the people who actually need it, rather than letting the ultra rich get much richer. The whole 'giving thing away free' is just right wing rhetoric that builds a huge straw man. What it is actually is putting into a common pool via taxes benefits for everyone. I would much subsidise health care and education rather than build things to blow people up, and give to companies that are making billions already (such as the oil industry)

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Wasn’t it the second debate where the moderator asked about free health care for anyone crossing the southern border and after they all looked around, all ten raised their hands?

In a free market, capitalistic system there has to be reward for work and consequences for sand-bagging. Why would anyone bother to try to get ahead if all are rewarded in a same manner? Those people that are really in need should be seen to; but whomever calls the balls and strikes has got their work cut out for them....

Lovebug said:

Bernie, God love him, comes across as an angry old geezer sorry to say. I like him, always thought he has a lot of integrity, but he seems increasingly angry.
Warren, while she still fails to explain "how to pay for it all" , seems calm and thoughtful.
Both seem much less rehearsed than i.e. Harris, Buttigieg , or Castro the bully.

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"how are you going to pay for it." is a stale talking point. We pay for it the same way we pay for anything. Deficit spending. The government is currently running a $1T deficit. How are we paying for that?

Lovebug said:

Bernie, God love him, comes across as an angry old geezer sorry to say. I like him, always thought he has a lot of integrity, but he seems increasingly angry.
Warren, while she still fails to explain "how to pay for it all" , seems calm and thoughtful.
Both seem much less rehearsed than i.e. Harris, Buttigieg , or Castro the bully.

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Funny how "How are we going to pay for it?" is never a question Republicans are interested in when the goal is to cut taxes, but they always want to know how we're going to pay for it when the goal is a social service.

Well, I'll answer that question anyway: you raise taxes, preferably by reversing every tax cut for the wealthy over the last forty years.

Cardinal said:

I think her consumer protection record speaks for itself.

I've been a Bernie guy my whole life and will always like him, but frankly I'm a little tired of the way he divides the party. The Republican Party is for all intents and purposes 100% united (I don't consider the three candidates running against him in a Primary that won't happen to be a serious sign of party fracturing). The Democratic Party needs to be just as united.

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Yeah, the establishment of the CFPB is a jewell in her record, she gets points for that. I just think the time for half-measures is over. In negotiations you have to whack the overton window way far left and make people come closer to you. If you start negotiating with Republicans and Centrists from the point of a centrist they're just gonna claw you farther right than what you campaigned on.

Reminder: In a time of unified Democratic government control the centrists and Republicans still prevented Democrats from including a public option into the ACA.

Cardinal said:

Funny how "How are we going to pay for it?" is never a question Republicans are interested in when the goal is to cut taxes, but they always want to know how we're going to pay for it when the goal is a social service.

Well, I'll answer that question anyway: you raise taxes, preferably by reversing every tax cut for the wealthy over the last forty years.

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Focus, Biden was the one asking.

Cardinal said:

I've been a Bernie guy my whole life and will always like him, but frankly I'm a little tired of the way he divides the party. The Republican Party is for all intents and purposes 100% united (I don't consider the three candidates running against him in a Primary that won't happen to be a serious sign of party fracturing). The Democratic Party needs to be just as united.

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The Democratic party has a serious problem, and calling for unity does not solve it. It's half 'Republican light', slightly less than Republicans plutocrats, corporatists, who go by 'moderate' and 'centrist' and 'blue dog'; and half progressives, who understand the country has taken a wrong turn since Reagan to plutocracy, and needs far more than another Clinton/Obama/Republican-lite presidency.

That we have a historic opportunity to overcome the overwhelmingly powerful interests for a once in a generation chance to elect the leader we need who is not Republican or Republican-lite, and how important it is we get a leader who will fight plutocracy, as uphill a battle as it is.

I *love* Bernie for his divisiveness, not because I want a divided party, but because the problem is the people who oppose Bernie, not the fact there is a division. There is and needs to be a war in the party which side will win, and Bernie is simply fighting for progressives to win that fight. Whichever side loses needs to then unite, just as Bernie strongly supported Hillary in 2016.

What you are calling for is simply for progressives to surrender to the corporatists in the name of unity - a disastrous suggestion that dooms our country to plutocracy. It's like saying Lincoln should have given the south what it wanted in the name of unity, instead of fighting for the country to defeat the confederacy and then unite as a nation.

I could even say it's like saying the Democrats should just surrender and give the Republicans what they want, in the name of American unity. Bernie is fighting for what we need, against the part of the party that doesn't want what we need, only a little. The progressives need to win control of the party, The time for unity is after the primaries.