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Obama had a trillion dollar deficit pulling us out if a republican recession and trump has a trillion dollar deficit putting us into one.

U.S. Posts $1 Trillion Budget Gap, Full-Year May Be Lower

September, the final month of the fiscal year, typically produces a surplus because quarterly tax payments are due. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the 2019 budget deficit will be $960 billion.

Since Oct. 1, the budget gap rose by about 19% to $1.07 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s monthly budget report released Thursday. The comparable deficit a year earlier was $898.1 billion.​
 
Obama had a trillion dollar deficit pulling us out if a republican recession and trump has a trillion dollar deficit putting us into one.

U.S. Posts $1 Trillion Budget Gap, Full-Year May Be Lower

September, the final month of the fiscal year, typically produces a surplus because quarterly tax payments are due. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the 2019 budget deficit will be $960 billion.

Since Oct. 1, the budget gap rose by about 19% to $1.07 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s monthly budget report released Thursday. The comparable deficit a year earlier was $898.1 billion.​

Ya, but we need him to ban e-cigarettes.
 
Obama had a trillion dollar deficit pulling us out if a republican recession and trump has a trillion dollar deficit putting us into one.

U.S. Posts $1 Trillion Budget Gap, Full-Year May Be Lower

September, the final month of the fiscal year, typically produces a surplus because quarterly tax payments are due. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the 2019 budget deficit will be $960 billion.

Since Oct. 1, the budget gap rose by about 19% to $1.07 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s monthly budget report released Thursday. The comparable deficit a year earlier was $898.1 billion.​

We should tie congressional and presidential pay to the deficit. The higher the deficit, the lower their paycheck. If it rises above a certain level, then they have to start paying us back.
 
Can't be, he promised a balanced budget. Nobody could do it as well as he could.
 
Did Mexico's check bounce or something?

It's almost as if the huxter who had to pay out 25M bucks in a settlement for a fraudulent university right before he became president isn't an honest guy and doesn't know what he's doing.
 
Obama had a trillion dollar deficit pulling us out if a republican recession and trump has a trillion dollar deficit putting us into one.

U.S. Posts $1 Trillion Budget Gap, Full-Year May Be Lower

September, the final month of the fiscal year, typically produces a surplus because quarterly tax payments are due. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the 2019 budget deficit will be $960 billion.

Since Oct. 1, the budget gap rose by about 19% to $1.07 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s monthly budget report released Thursday. The comparable deficit a year earlier was $898.1 billion.​

How did it take you to discover that the GOP concerns of a balanced budget, lowering the debt and fiscal conservatism only happen when the POTUS is not a Republican?

Trump blew up the budget with his tax cuts and now Moscow Mitch claims that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security must be cut to make up for that mistake. Rational people would rescind the tax cuts, but the GOP hasn't been rational since before Ronald Reagan and his voodoo trickle-down economics.
 
Obama had a trillion dollar deficit pulling us out if a republican recession and trump has a trillion dollar deficit putting us into one.

U.S. Posts $1 Trillion Budget Gap, Full-Year May Be Lower

September, the final month of the fiscal year, typically produces a surplus because quarterly tax payments are due. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the 2019 budget deficit will be $960 billion.

Since Oct. 1, the budget gap rose by about 19% to $1.07 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s monthly budget report released Thursday. The comparable deficit a year earlier was $898.1 billion.​

Where's the Tea Party?
 
We should tie congressional and presidential pay to the deficit. The higher the deficit, the lower their paycheck. If it rises above a certain level, then they have to start paying us back.

Not much of an issue when they can direct government spending to companies they control or have ownership stakes in.

What is a couple hundred thousand vs millions from government contracts
 
I'm sure our right wingers will start caring about deficits again when a D is in the WH. Happens every time.
 
I'm sure our right wingers will start caring about deficits again when a D is in the WH. Happens every time.

Some of us care about them regardless of who is in the White House.
 
Not much of an issue when they can direct government spending to companies they control or have ownership stakes in.

What is a couple hundred thousand vs millions from government contracts

Well, it’s something anyways. Can’t seem to get them to be responsible with our money any other way.
 
Some of us care about them regardless of who is in the White House.

If true, at the very least, that is a consistent, respectable position.

But did you speak out against the Trump tax cuts? Or, were you supportive of them (or silent)?

Deficits aren't the main problem, anyway. Deficits are good and necessary in a weak/recessed economy. The time to focus on deficits and the debt is when the economy is strong.

The problem we have now (or will have when the next recession hits) is that when we next NEED to stimulate the economy, we'll have to face the fact that they Republicans have already blown a huge hole in the deficit/debt (with the reckless, wasteful Trump tax cuts). And we'll see the Republicans use that as an excuse to cut into entitlement programs (i.e. SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, unemployment benefits, etc.).
 
Obama had a trillion dollar deficit pulling us out if a republican recession and trump has a trillion dollar deficit putting us into one.

U.S. Posts $1 Trillion Budget Gap, Full-Year May Be Lower

September, the final month of the fiscal year, typically produces a surplus because quarterly tax payments are due. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the 2019 budget deficit will be $960 billion.

Since Oct. 1, the budget gap rose by about 19% to $1.07 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s monthly budget report released Thursday. The comparable deficit a year earlier was $898.1 billion.​
Theres no denying that congress is spending money like drunken sailors and trump isnt vetoing it.

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If true, at the very least, that is a consistent, respectable position.

But did you speak out against the Trump tax cuts? Or, were you supportive of them (or silent)?

Deficits aren't the main problem, anyway. Deficits are good and necessary in a weak/recessed economy. The time to focus on deficits and the debt is when the economy is strong.

The problem we have now (or will have when the next recession hits) is that when we next NEED to stimulate the economy, we'll have to face the fact that they Republicans have already blown a huge hole in the deficit/debt (with the reckless, wasteful Trump tax cuts). And we'll see the Republicans use that as an excuse to cut into entitlement programs (i.e. SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, unemployment benefits, etc.).

I generally support tax cuts, because the economy and people’s lives are always better when less of our money goes to DC. The part of the deficit equation that is almost never seriously discussed, and never acted upon is on the spending side.
 
Theres no denying that congress is spending money like drunken sailors and trump isnt vetoing it.

There's no denying that Congress' tax cuts are responsible for the Trump deficit.

There is no denying that the Trump tax cut did NOT pay for itself, as promised (as always).

There is no denying that tax cuts are the WORST (i.e. least effective, and often counter-productive) form of economic stimulus in the entire "stimulus" tool belt.

There is no denying that no Republican president has EVER cut deficits.

There is no denying that "cutting deficits" has never been the true target of so-called "fiscal conservatives". The proof of that is in the "pudding" (i.e. the product of EVERY piece of republican legislation since Reagan). The real target has ALWAYS been attacking/reducing the social safety net that began with the New Deal. The entire Supply-side/Trickle Down mythology has been discredited. In fact, for most scholars, it never had any credibility from the beginning.
 
I generally support tax cuts, because the economy and people’s lives are always better when less of our money goes to DC.

This is conservative mythology, and I'm sure you know that.

The part of the deficit equation that is almost never seriously discussed, and never acted upon is on the spending side.

This, too, is nonsense.

That's the ONLY "part" of the deficit that Republicans talk about. Everyone...EVERYONE...understands that your side wants to slash, drastically reduce or eliminate entitlements and/ or spending on welfare programs, public education, arts, infrastructure, etc.

You can't seriously believe that this is never discussed, can you?

You can't have a "serious discussion" if you're expecting the other side to accept mythology as your contribution to that discussion.
 
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Can't be, he promised a balanced budget. Nobody could do it as well as he could.

trump: We’re not a rich country. We’re a debtor nation... We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.

Bob Woodward: How long would that take?

trump: I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers . . . .

Bob Woodward: What’s fairly quickly?

trump: Well, I would say over a period of eight years.
 
How did it take you to discover that the GOP concerns of a balanced budget, lowering the debt and fiscal conservatism only happen when the POTUS is not a Republican?

Trump blew up the budget with his tax cuts and now Moscow Mitch claims that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security must be cut to make up for that mistake. Rational people would rescind the tax cuts, but the GOP hasn't been rational since before Ronald Reagan and his voodoo trickle-down economics.

I've always known. Even before Dick Cheney said, "President Reagan proved deficits don't matter"?
 
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Some of us care about them regardless of who is in the White House.

Yes, it's true...some of you really do, and I see that.
Unfortunately, you and folks like you are in the minority in the GOP at this time.
It's the Party of Trump now.
 
I've always know. Even before Dick Cheney said, "President Reagan proved deficits don't matter"?

Democrats need to stand up the next time a hypocritical republican or they seem to claim to be libertarians at that point, and askes about deficits and the debt and ask them that question. Ive had enough of GOP bull**** to last me until the next millennium, even if their faithful followers ask for second or thirds, under the guise of being a patriot.
 
I'm sure our right wingers will start caring about deficits again when a D is in the WH. Happens every time.

Some of us care about them regardless of who is in the White House.

I'll repeat something I've started saying in a number of places: a principle is only a principle if one stands on it when it hurts. What do I mean?

Well, I regularly see people say they are conservative, say they are concerned about deficits, but do things like defending Trump's tax cuts or Bush's despite their budget-busting results and continuing to vote Republican. "But the Democrats care even less," they inevitably say.

No, and no for several reasons:

Someone who continually votes Republican despite the fact that deficits keep exploding under Republicans (at least Reagan, Bush II, Trump) and keep getting lowered under Democrats (Clinton, Obama) shows through his or her actions that they do not care about deficits. It's the same thing with "small government" claims because the Republicans themselves like "big government". Republicans hardly do any different and even if they nibble at government by removing regulations that stop coal mines from poisoning communities or removing regulations that block the kind of trading that caused the financial crisis, they beef up other things, like the military: something like a 70 billion dollar of government expansion via the military.

If they really cared, they would vote big-L libertarian or other independent, and for a candidate that either promised for the first time or better yet had a track record. They don't because beating Democrats is what they care about more than anything. Deficits and the size of government are just talking points, because a principle means little if it goes *poof* when standing on it might cost something.

But really, if you care about deficits then you need to vote Democrat or some sort of third party with a track record. Voting Republican is no matter on the deficit front, and historically it is worse*





Caveat being: a president can only do so much for the economy or deficits. But one thing a president can do that directly and immediately affects them, provided they have party support, is the kind of tax cut Reagan, Bush, and Trump liked. Namely, a tax cut aimed more towards the richer than the poorer (in the name of the trickle down lie). That immediately craters government revenue, which raises deficits.

And you can't tell me they do this intending to cut spending next in any seriousness. Even if you could let me read their minds and see they meant it, the simple fact is they never really succeed. And they know they can't get rid of the programs they keep saying they want to since a lot of their own voters are poor. Remember the "get government out of my medicare!" sign? Real or staged, yeah, that. Once government actually got out of providing these things, they'd be screwed and they would at least be aware enough to know their guy did it.





If you've started a thread raging about Trump's idiotic deficit-exploding tax cut, I missed it. But then I'm not in every last subforum. I'm in enough to see that DP right-wingers do not care about Trump's deficits. The vast bulk spend their time defending everything he does and attacking alleged liberals. The 'reasonable' ones keep their head down and fight side-skirmishes.

And again, actions can speak far louder than words. If big deficits really were that much of a problem to even a marginally significant amount of right wingers, there would be regular threads on it while a Republican was president.
 
Some of us care about them regardless of who is in the White House.

I'm sure some of them do. Just none of them in congress or any of the pundits on TV or the Trump supporters.
 
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