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    Campaign Finance Reform

    “get money out of politics”. That's been the cry of many of our democratic candidates running for president. Nearly every candidate wants campaign finance reform starting with a pledge to overturn Citizens United. Nine years ago, the Supreme Court handed down its disastrous 5-4 Citizens United ruling. Since then, countless corporate campaign contributions have flooded our elections drowning out the voices of millions of voters.

    Dark money and shadowy political spending has corrupted our democratic republic. It diminishes the desires of the people while putting the interests of rich corporations and entities as priorities.

    Who wouldn't want campaign reform? Who else but those with the big money, that's who. If I'm CEO of an oil conglomerate, or VP of an aluminum plant, I can well afford to buy a politician with the promise of him voting on bills that favor my plant or business in order to make more profit. But the appeal of big money is seductive to candidates because the more money they have to spend on television ads, internet websites, robo-calls, mailings, etc., then the more people they'll reach and be able to influence their vote.

    The Koch brothers and the George Soros's and Wall Street individual along with every imaginable interest group you can think of have increased the number of lobbyists by 15 times since 1970. Citizens United has not only allowed this, it has encouraged this.




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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    “get money out of politics”. That's been the cry of many of our democratic candidates running for president. Nearly every candidate wants campaign finance reform starting with a pledge to overturn Citizens United. Nine years ago, the Supreme Court handed down its disastrous 5-4 Citizens United ruling. Since then, countless corporate campaign contributions have flooded our elections drowning out the voices of millions of voters.

    Dark money and shadowy political spending has corrupted our democratic republic. It diminishes the desires of the people while putting the interests of rich corporations and entities as priorities.

    Who wouldn't want campaign reform? Who else but those with the big money, that's who. If I'm CEO of an oil conglomerate, or VP of an aluminum plant, I can well afford to buy a politician with the promise of him voting on bills that favor my plant or business in order to make more profit. But the appeal of big money is seductive to candidates because the more money they have to spend on television ads, internet websites, robo-calls, mailings, etc., then the more people they'll reach and be able to influence their vote.

    The Koch brothers and the George Soros's and Wall Street individual along with every imaginable interest group you can think of have increased the number of lobbyists by 15 times since 1970. Citizens United has not only allowed this, it has encouraged this.
    Money in politics benefits the right wing because right wing politics prioritizes wealthy interests.

    But get a few hundred thousand citizens pouring out of state money into some Senate or House races (Like the Susan Collins one) and you just may change some minds on the right.


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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    “get money out of politics”. That's been the cry of many of our democratic candidates running for president. Nearly every candidate wants campaign finance reform starting with a pledge to overturn Citizens United. Nine years ago, the Supreme Court handed down its disastrous 5-4 Citizens United ruling. Since then, countless corporate campaign contributions have flooded our elections drowning out the voices of millions of voters.

    Dark money and shadowy political spending has corrupted our democratic republic. It diminishes the desires of the people while putting the interests of rich corporations and entities as priorities.

    Who wouldn't want campaign reform? Who else but those with the big money, that's who. If I'm CEO of an oil conglomerate, or VP of an aluminum plant, I can well afford to buy a politician with the promise of him voting on bills that favor my plant or business in order to make more profit. But the appeal of big money is seductive to candidates because the more money they have to spend on television ads, internet websites, robo-calls, mailings, etc., then the more people they'll reach and be able to influence their vote.

    The Koch brothers and the George Soros's and Wall Street individual along with every imaginable interest group you can think of have increased the number of lobbyists by 15 times since 1970. Citizens United has not only allowed this, it has encouraged this.
    Why is money important for candidates, because they know the facts. In the last elections, 86% of those who spent the most won their election. For the first time in a long time the Dems outspent the GOP in 2018 and they won the election. Does not need a genus to say, raise the big bucks and your chances of winning go up. This is what Citizens has done to our elections, the wealthy can "buy" elections and then put pressure on the elected to do as the wealthy want or no more money next election. It is sooooo simple.

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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Why is money important for candidates, because they know the facts. In the last elections, 86% of those who spent the most won their election. For the first time in a long time the Dems outspent the GOP in 2018 and they won the election. Does not need a genus to say, raise the big bucks and your chances of winning go up. This is what Citizens has done to our elections, the wealthy can "buy" elections and then put pressure on the elected to do as the wealthy want or no more money next election. It is sooooo simple.
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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    “get money out of politics”. That's been the cry of many of our democratic candidates running for president. Nearly every candidate wants campaign finance reform starting with a pledge to overturn Citizens United. Nine years ago, the Supreme Court handed down its disastrous 5-4 Citizens United ruling. Since then, countless corporate campaign contributions have flooded our elections drowning out the voices of millions of voters.

    Dark money and shadowy political spending has corrupted our democratic republic. It diminishes the desires of the people while putting the interests of rich corporations and entities as priorities.

    Who wouldn't want campaign reform? Who else but those with the big money, that's who. If I'm CEO of an oil conglomerate, or VP of an aluminum plant, I can well afford to buy a politician with the promise of him voting on bills that favor my plant or business in order to make more profit. But the appeal of big money is seductive to candidates because the more money they have to spend on television ads, internet websites, robo-calls, mailings, etc., then the more people they'll reach and be able to influence their vote.

    The Koch brothers and the George Soros's and Wall Street individual along with every imaginable interest group you can think of have increased the number of lobbyists by 15 times since 1970. Citizens United has not only allowed this, it has encouraged this.
    Yes, I've commented on this many times. Get the money out, ban single interest lobby groups (eg AIPAC and NRA), give equal air time to each candidate to air their manifesto and ban negative advertising about your opposition. That might go some way toward levelling the playing field. Buying one's way into power is not democracy; it's a commercial transaction.
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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    “get money out of politics”. That's been the cry of many of our democratic candidates running for president. Nearly every candidate wants campaign finance reform starting with a pledge to overturn Citizens United. Nine years ago, the Supreme Court handed down its disastrous 5-4 Citizens United ruling. Since then, countless corporate campaign contributions have flooded our elections drowning out the voices of millions of voters.

    Dark money and shadowy political spending has corrupted our democratic republic. It diminishes the desires of the people while putting the interests of rich corporations and entities as priorities.

    Who wouldn't want campaign reform? Who else but those with the big money, that's who. If I'm CEO of an oil conglomerate, or VP of an aluminum plant, I can well afford to buy a politician with the promise of him voting on bills that favor my plant or business in order to make more profit. But the appeal of big money is seductive to candidates because the more money they have to spend on television ads, internet websites, robo-calls, mailings, etc., then the more people they'll reach and be able to influence their vote.

    The Koch brothers and the George Soros's and Wall Street individual along with every imaginable interest group you can think of have increased the number of lobbyists by 15 times since 1970. Citizens United has not only allowed this, it has encouraged this.
    Yes, Hillary and her cronies far outspent Trump in 2016 but, not to worry, Trump overcame all of that money being used against him in both the primaries and in the general.

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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    i am a corporation

    i also send money to candidate i like

    so if we are going to get money out of politics...fine....lets get ALL money out of politics

    here is my proposal

    all donations go through a big 5 CPA firm, and are anonymous...then are funneled into the candidate of their choice on a weekly basis

    all donations are limited to a maximum of $ 1000 period per person...ie a family of 4 can donate 4k even if the last 2 are babies

    all pacs and superpacs must be eliminated...ALL OF THEM

    no unions, corporations, or any entity can give to a candidate nor can they collect for any candidate

    i figure all of these changes will reduce the money coming in to 1/1000 of what it is now

    maybe we will have a few less signs in the neighborhoods, and a few less commercials in oct/nov
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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Yes, Hillary and her cronies far outspent Trump in 2016 but, not to worry, Trump overcame all of that money being used against him in both the primaries and in the general.
    Yes he overcame that by pulling in big money from mega-donors like these, it's easy to outspend HRC

    1. Robert Mercer, Renaissance Technologies - $13.5 million
    2. Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS) - $10 million
    3. Linda McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (WWE) - $6 million
    4. Bernard Marcus, Retired - $7 million
    5. Geoffrey Palmer, G.H. Palmer Associates - $2 million
    6. Ronald M Cameron, Mountaire Corp. - $2 million
    7. Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies - $1.25 million
    8. Walter Buckley Jr, Actua Corporation (ACTA) - $1 million
    9. Cherna Moskowitz, Hawaiian Gardens Casino - $1 million
    10. Peter Zieve, Electroimpact - $1 million




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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Yes he overcame that by pulling in big money from mega-donors like these, it's easy to outspend HRC

    1. Robert Mercer, Renaissance Technologies - $13.5 million
    2. Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS) - $10 million
    3. Linda McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (WWE) - $6 million
    4. Bernard Marcus, Retired - $7 million
    5. Geoffrey Palmer, G.H. Palmer Associates - $2 million
    6. Ronald M Cameron, Mountaire Corp. - $2 million
    7. Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies - $1.25 million
    8. Walter Buckley Jr, Actua Corporation (ACTA) - $1 million
    9. Cherna Moskowitz, Hawaiian Gardens Casino - $1 million
    10. Peter Zieve, Electroimpact - $1 million
    Hillary & Co far, far outspent Trump. And, many in the primaries spent millions and billions fighting Trump. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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    Re: Campaign Finance Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    “get money out of politics”. That's been the cry of many of our democratic candidates running for president. Nearly every candidate wants campaign finance reform starting with a pledge to overturn Citizens United. Nine years ago, the Supreme Court handed down its disastrous 5-4 Citizens United ruling. Since then, countless corporate campaign contributions have flooded our elections drowning out the voices of millions of voters.

    Dark money and shadowy political spending has corrupted our democratic republic. It diminishes the desires of the people while putting the interests of rich corporations and entities as priorities.

    Who wouldn't want campaign reform? Who else but those with the big money, that's who. If I'm CEO of an oil conglomerate, or VP of an aluminum plant, I can well afford to buy a politician with the promise of him voting on bills that favor my plant or business in order to make more profit. But the appeal of big money is seductive to candidates because the more money they have to spend on television ads, internet websites, robo-calls, mailings, etc., then the more people they'll reach and be able to influence their vote.

    The Koch brothers and the George Soros's and Wall Street individual along with every imaginable interest group you can think of have increased the number of lobbyists by 15 times since 1970. Citizens United has not only allowed this, it has encouraged this.
    Be careful what you wish for. If Citizens United is over turned, unions won't be able to donate to political campaigns...

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