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Camps for the Homeless?

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Trump officials tour unused FAA facility in California in search for place to relocate homeless people

A team of Trump administration officials toured a California facility once used by the Federal Aviation Administration this week as they searched for a potential site to relocate homeless people, according to three government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private tour.

President Trump has directed aides to launch a major crackdown on homelessness in California, spurring an effort across multiple government agencies to determine how to deal with sprawling tent camps on the streets of Los Angeles and other cities, officials said.
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Relocate? Will they be free to leave? If not, isn't that more like--you know--a prison?
 
Some kind of a work camp. They learn how to make a paycheck, and get off the street. I like it.
 
My guess is that they are looking for ways to set these homeless centers up and operate them by diverting existing federal funds for California directly into their budget instead of giving the money to California itself.

Obviously they won't be prison camps. California has the highest poverty rate in the country and state officials are making it increasingly worse by hyperinflating the cost of living.

I will not condemn the idea until I see how it finally shakes out, but I am not going to oppose anything that is intended to help the homeless just because the name Trump is associated with it. Something different needs to be done.
 
Something should be done with this homeless epidemic. Read a story where the plague is coming back in LA. The health issues are alarming. Lets face it most of the homeless are drug addicts.
 
Tlrmln said:
Given the fact that many of them are in flagrant violation of the law, they easily could be given the choice of camp or prison.
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Flagrant violation of federal law?
 
Grandpappy said:
Some kind of a work camp. They learn how to make a paycheck, and get off the street. I like it.
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They didn't commit a crime, but who cares about the pesky Bill of Rights..........
 
Drawdown said:
My guess is that they are looking for ways to set these homeless centers up and operate them by diverting existing federal funds for California directly into their budget instead of giving the money to California itself.

Obviously they won't be prison camps. California has the highest poverty rate in the country and state officials are making it increasingly worse by hyperinflating the cost of living.

I will not condemn the idea until I see how it finally shakes out, but I am not going to oppose anything that is intended to help the homeless just because the name Trump is associated with it. Something different needs to be done.
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Too sensible.
 
Amelia said:
Flagrant violation of federal law?
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Yes, many of them. But why does that matter in the context of my comment, specifically?
 
Grandpappy said:
Some kind of a work camp. They learn how to make a paycheck, and get off the street. I like it.
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Have you ever talked to a homeless person? I'm in NYC maybe homeless people in Sand Diego are different. Here most of them don't look employable.

There are shelters but they don't want to go to the shelters because of real fear of crime or just paranoia or both.

But if conservatives want to help the homeless, that's great. It would be the first time I ever heard of Republican politicians trying to help the homeless.
 
This is much better than the church in California that imprisoned homeless and made them panhandle to raise funds for the church.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
"easily"
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Do you have an "easier" solution?

Let me guess -- billions in Federal funding to build "affordable housing" in CA, because the wealthiest state in the country absolutely needs money from everyone else to solve problems of its own making.
 
Tlrmln said:
Do you have an "easier" solution?

Let me guess -- billions in Federal funding to build "affordable housing" in CA, because the wealthiest state in the country absolutely needs money from everyone else to solve problems of its own making.
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Camps are not actually the worst idea. But think more like a park, but not a public park, more like a trailer park. Except instead of trailers the homeless pitch their tents in the lots. Basic services could be provided like water, sewage and sanitation. Otherwise just leave them to do whatever they do. That way at least they're not living in filth on the street, nobody has to trip over them, and also we don't have to force them to do anything other than maybe move their tents. Everybody wins.
 
Irredentist said:
Camps are not actually the worst idea. But think more like a park, but not a public park, more like a trailer park. Except instead of trailers the homeless pitch their tents in the lots. Basic services could be provided like water, sewage and sanitation. Otherwise just leave them to do whatever they do. That way at least they're not living in filth on the street, nobody has to trip over them, and also we don't have to force them to do anything other than maybe move their tents. Everybody wins.
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I can't argue with that, except that I wouldn't be surprised if many don't comply voluntarily, because that would likely take them farther away from the best panhandling locations.
 
Well they could use cattle trucks and freight trans to move them all to the camps. And why stop there why not the entire country? And why just homeless people?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Have you ever talked to a homeless person? I'm in NYC maybe homeless people in Sand Diego are different. Here most of them don't look employable.

There are shelters but they don't want to go to the shelters because of real fear of crime or just paranoia or both.

But if conservatives want to help the homeless, that's great. It would be the first time I ever heard of Republican politicians trying to help the homeless.
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Seeing as both the democrats, and republicans actively have their own policies to help the poor, or homeless. Suggesting that this would somehow be a first for republicans, is quite dishonest.
 
Growler said:
Something should be done with this homeless epidemic. Read a story where the plague is coming back in LA. The health issues are alarming. Lets face it most of the homeless are drug addicts.
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So, house them and give them drugs?
 
Amelia said:
Flagrant violation of federal law?
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Tlrmln said:
Yes, many of them. But why does that matter in the context of my comment, specifically?
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The subject is the possibility of the federal government imprisoning the homeless.

You said,

Tlrmln said:
Given the fact that many of them are in flagrant violation of the law, they easily could be given the choice of camp or prison.
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It is in that context that it matters whether they are violating federal law. If they are merely violating some city ordinance, it's probably a misdemeanor but more importantly it's not a matter for the federal government. If they are violating federal law, that opens another can of worms -- the costs of due process. But if they aren't violating federal law then it's moot. The federal government has no grounds to walk into American towns, scoop up people who are not violating federal law, and send them to prison.
 
Grand Mal said:
So, house them and give them drugs?
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Hey, you might have hit on a solution. Set up the camps far away from any major cities. Offer homeless addicts a single, free, round-trip ticket to the nearest camp, where they can get free heroin for as long as they stay there....
 
Amelia said:
The subject is the possibility of the federal government imprisoning the homeless.

You said,




It is in that context that it matters whether they are violating federal law. If they are merely violating some city ordinance, it's probably a misdemeanor but more importantly it's not a matter for the federal government. If they are violating federal law, that opens another can of worms -- the costs of due process. But if they aren't violating federal law then it's moot. The federal government has no grounds to walk into American towns, scoop up people who are not violating federal law, and send them to prison.
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Many homeless people use illegal drugs. They are violating federal law by doing so. Many others are repeatedly violating state laws or local ordinances. They could be jailed for that as well.

I never said or implied that they would necessarily be arrested for violating federal laws, or that it would have to be the federal government doing all of this. There's nothing about the camp idea indicating that it would necessarily have to be exclusively managed by the federal government.

Sorry, I thought that was obvious.
 
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