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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Because our socialist programs are backwards. We give handouts to huge corporations to build businesses in localities; then they hire workers and pay them dismally. The workers are then forced to apply for government benefits.

    Because our tax system rewards industries for being "non-profit" which is nonsense, for example, hospital networks - non-profit, but make so much money they -have- to spend it buying up all the other providers in an area to justify their tax exempt status, eliminating competition and stifling growth.

    Because those socialist policies are in place for the rich, and not the poor or middle classes, that's why. Because I tire of seeing wealth not trickle down. I want it reversed. We have tried this experiment and it has failed.
    I'm confused. We are either socialist or we aren't. Are you saying our socialism is backwards, that we need to get rid of social security, medicare, and social assistance programs?

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet Elvis View Post
    Tulsi Gabbard seems to have the best chance at swaying voters, because she isn't such a radical leftist.

    Grampa Joe - Scatterbrained old coot who can't keep a thought in his head.
    Pocahontas - Political whore who'll sell her grandchildren or make up any story for a vote.
    Sanders - Old socialist coot who yells at the sky.
    The DNC sure has it against Gabbard, not having her on the stage tonight is a joke as shown by
    Tuesdays poll from RCP.

    Biden 24, Sanders 13, Warren 21, Buttigieg 11, Harris 8, Gabbard 6, Yang 3, Booker 4, Klobuchar 1, Steyer 1, O'Rourke 1, Delaney 3, Castro 0

    It puts Gabbard 5th in the 1st primary NH, ahead of 5 of the people on the stage tonight who have no chance at all.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    I don't need a reminder of toxicity with your post in front of me.

    Bernie deserves scrutiny - not ignorant smears from people with Bernie Derangement like you.
    Bernie was the father of the movement. Now all candidates are following Bernies lead, they are 'Johnny come latelies' I'm by no means
    a far leftwinger, but if I was Bernie would get my vote not the copycats.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Bernie was the father of the movement. Now all candidates are following Bernies lead, they are 'Johnny come latelies' I'm by no means
    a far leftwinger, but if I was Bernie would get my vote not the copycats.
    It says a lot about his leadership that his positions have gained so much in the party (and the country), rather than his being a 1% support 'nut on the left' - how he went from 4% to nearly half the party during the 2016 primaries as voters got to know him. Hillary only went down, Bernie only went up as people got to know him.

    I wouldn't mind if someone 'better' came along - but Bernie is a historically good politician the country needs badly IMO. It's not the he was 'first', but that he is the better politician. He understands these issues better - it's why he co-founded the progressive caucus. But much of the country doesn't get much informed or learn why his policies are needed.

    Your description of him as 'far left' is part of the problem - the media's description as well, and many voters assume it's right, and it's a problem mostly because many voters are just psychologically unable to consider that they might support something called 'far left'.

    It's like, 'it's a hot day, you're thirsty, would you like a cool drink? You should know, it's a far left drink. Oh, you don't want it then, you'll take a blanket instead?' His policies have broad support - it's this 'far left', or the word 'socialist' that's wrongly used, that limit support. It's a lot of irrationality. It's like Bernie has to get people to listen to a speech to inform them, the media won't.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    I'm confused. We are either socialist or we aren't. Are you saying our socialism is backwards, that we need to get rid of social security, medicare, and social assistance programs?
    No. Social security is an EARNED benefit, it isn't socialism.

    For the most part our socialism is backward, in the manner in which I described it.
    #BDS

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    I don't know who you presume to think you are, but this comment is absolutely ridiculous.
    There it is, the immediate and predictable defensiveness. Congratulations, you just proved my point for me.

    Who said anything about erasing non-white voters? And nowhere did I say "pander" to "WWC voters." I said they are an important demographic, and they are. They overwhelmingly supported Sanders over Clinton - but you already knew that, didn't you?
    I find it amusing that you actually think that I don't know what a white progressive dog whistle sounds like. If you think it is rightists that have a monopoly on dog whistles, then your ignorance on this issue is even deeper than I thought.

    Your dodge of my irrefutable mathematical argument is also noted. You keep dodging my points because deep down, you know I'm right and you have no way to refute what

    Lmao. Your article is garbage. This quote alone proves it is garbage:
    Pure Dunning-Kruger by you. You are overconfident in the inductive reasoning skills that you do not possess. I will take the word of a reputable journalist, who actually does his homework, over your word any day of the week.

    Yes. Sanders has already answered this charge; he was against the bill but voted for it - because of the violence against women provision.
    Oh yes, let's talk about Mr. Sanders and the crime bill, shall we? The one that Hillary was vilified for even though it was her husband and not her that signed it? Thank you for reminding me of yet another double-standard by white progressives!

    Let's also stop the assumptions, shall we? I in no way believe Sanders is a demigod, nor do I think he is infallible. We're all fallible. So IDK what you're barking up here; frankly, I couldn't care less about What Sanders Wrote 40 years ago, when I wasn't alive. Do you seriously think anyone does? A fictitious rape story?


    Many, if not most, Sanders supporters show just as much fragility towards criticism of their Messiah as Trump supporters do. Trying to make me unsee what I have seen with my own eyes is pure gaslighting by you, and that game will not work, either.

    What a load of **** that is.

    Also, spare me your condescending, agitprop, accusatory, patronizing tone. I have even less tolerance for holier-than-thou leftists than I do for right wing ideologues; we all know they don't think, but from you I'd expect some more civility.
    There it is. There it is! The immediate, hostile reaction that militantly refuses to address the points raised. Support for Sanders is basically a religion at this point.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    There are ways to win the WH without Florida - there are 49 other states, and Sanders is the most popular dem in the rust belt.
    Congratulations, you can add!



    Would you like to teach me more math?

    Where in the bloody **** have I said there are no valid criticisms of Sanders? Explain it to me.

    To you, and those who are upset about the 2016 election, I owe you nothing. You are sitting here exposing yourself as a judgmental, patronizing person with whom plenty of us would rathert not converse. I have valid criticisms of Sanders. He is lukewarm on ending the drug war. I dislike his swap in immigration, for example. I do not support his position on allowing jailed felons to vote.

    Before you open your trap and throw accusations at me, you best not lump me in with irrational smears against a generalized group.
    I'm going to say this again in very simple terms so that you may understand it: Your instant, stubborn defensiveness every time I bring up a point against Sanders IS the problem. You have zero interest in a civil discussion. You have every interest in deflecting criticisms of him, because you want to defend him at all costs. That's what he inspires, that's what he incites, that's why I will never, ever become a Sanders fan. If he gets the nomination, I will hold my nose to vote for him.

    Sorry, I am not leading anything by example. I have been blamed - personally - by people like you for the loss in 2016, despite the fact Stein voters could also face the blame; or Johnson voters.
    Maybe you should take the time to understand how the highlighted phrase contributes to the rest of the sentence. Just a thought.

    It's not uneducated. Florida can't even count votes correctly, so what difference does it make?
    Just. Stop. You have completely embarrassed yourself with your pure ignorance on this topic, and you need to stop deluding yourself into believing that you have anything of value to contribute to this discussion.

    But no. You want to blame -everyone- but yourselves for the democratic electorate choosing a fatally flawed candidate. You have -zero- introspection, and you and I have had this conversation before.
    And here comes the reactionary projection. Right on cue. How about you lead by example and show some introspection for once before accusing literally anyone of not having it. This should be easy for you, but you are choosing to make it very difficult.

    Sanders stumped for HRC continuously after he lost. GET OVER IT. YOUR WORDS ARE HOLLOW.

    Then 2020 goes to Trump, because folks like you insist on your holier-than-thou high horse approach.

    Your condescending tone, patronizing commentary, and your absurd obsession with blameshifting is duly noted. You are a picture perfect example of what these Trumpists -love- about triggered democrats.

    Stop your bull**** and vote blue no matter who. Trump is the enemy here, not "berniebros" or "hillbots."

    Jesus christ you haven't learned a single thing from 2016.
    What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    No. Social security is an EARNED benefit, it isn't socialism.

    For the most part our socialism is backward, in the manner in which I described it.
    It's a form of socialism because the government plays an active role in its administration. Nobody can opt out and the does decide how much and when employees and employers will pay into the system. The govt. also determines how much individuals receive in benefits.
    Where's the quid?
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    It's a form of socialism because the government plays an active role in its administration. Nobody can opt out and the does decide how much and when employees and employers will pay into the system. The govt. also determines how much individuals receive in benefits.
    It's an earned benefit. You work, you earn it.

    That's not socialism.
    #BDS

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
    Fare thee well, Phys. Keep enjoying Trump. With your disgusting attitude, you deserve it.

    God have mercy on me? You project, accuse, assault - all in defence of your terrible candidate who sucked so much ass she lost to a clown car real estate developer from Manhatten, a loud mouth who insulted literally the entire country, but It's MY FAULT Trump is president.

    I do so enjoy how you insist I am immediately defensive when I listed -valid criticisms of Bernie Sanders.-

    It's people like you, unrepentant hillary supporters, who lack the insight to question the choice YOU lot made, choosing your social justice trophy for president, it's folks like you who ensured Trump was elected.

    Clean your own house.

    This, sir, is why folks like you must be ignored, mocked, and scorned.

    Unlike you, I will vote for whoever the democrats pick.

    But deep down, you will too - and you'll lie about it.

    But we all know YOU will continue spewing your insane identity politicking while doing so.

    Good riddance. I have nothing to gain from debating you.
    #BDS

    No forgiveness here remains.

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