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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Here's the thing. Warren can't beat Trump in a debate. Trump loomed over HRC like a savage barbarian; he dismissed her, mocked her, etc. Do you seriously think Warren will hold out against Trump?
    You have no way to prove that.

    We need a street fighter. Bernie is that fighter. Don't mistake me; I am a Sanders guy through and through; my second is Warren, my third is Tulsi. But at the end of the day, Sanders has the raw, "We should not even be having this discussion" disdain for the media and the right wing; his no more middle ground speech comes to mind.
    You think that Sanders can out-Trump Trump? Hey at least you admitted that the two have more in common than you'd like to think. Baby steps?

    Warren will be mocked as pocohantas; a dear friend of mine is convinced Warren is a total POS because of the indian heritage story, which will be ceaselessly on blast by every RW echo chamber across the planet. Warren should do the right thing and drop out of the race, endorse bernie, and be his VP.
    So we should decide our candidate based on Trump's bullying. Got it.

    Trump will lose to Sanders. I doubt he loses to Warren.
    Again with the unsubstantiated claims. Speaking of which, I notice that you're not even trying to defend the deplorable behavior of the BernieBros any more. Have you finally come to recognize that that is a fight that you cannot win? Neither is his I <3 Socialists commentary, either. You think that man stands a chance of flipping Florida, a state we really need to win?
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    A lot of the focus will be on Warren-Biden-Sanders, who will all be on the same stage for the first time in these debates.
    The cable tv shouters are really building that up.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    We already have socialism; this comment is a non-starter.

    Registered democrats like Biden because he reminds them of Obama, and because they think he is electable.

    Tell me; what do you think would happen if Biden and Trump debated?
    So what do we need Bernie, Warren, and the like for if we already have socialism? If Biden and Trump debated it would be put on LAFF TV. Doesn't change the fact that Biden is ahead in the polls because Democratic voters themselves don't want socialism.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

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    You have no way to prove that.
    It's an opinion, and I think it bears out one fact in this country no one wants to face; Americans are more anti-woman than they are racist.

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    You think that Sanders can out-Trump Trump? Hey at least you admitted that the two have more in common than you'd like to think. Baby steps?
    Out Trump, Trump? No. I think Sanders has appeal with a very important demographic that will decide the election; white males without a college degree.

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    So we should decide our candidate based on Trump's bullying. Got it.
    It's not about his bullying, it's about how many voters that may switch will be turned off by the appearance someone lied about ethnicity to take advantage. Remember, republicans are immune to such criticism, Democrats are not.

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    Again with the unsubstantiated claims. Speaking of which, I notice that you're not even trying to defend the deplorable behavior of the BernieBros any more. Have you finally come to recognize that that is a fight that you cannot win? Neither is his I <3 Socialists commentary, either. You think that man stands a chance of flipping Florida, a state we really need to win?
    Yes, I think he can win Florida. But Florida is not the important state. PA, Ohio, WI, MI, IL, MN are important states. Florida is an added bonus. Remember, those whites without a college degree? They didn't vote for HRC because HRC was anathema to their ideology. Sanders, with his pro-union, pro-worker, pro-blue collar message, past and history is what won those states and will do so again.

    The issue right now with the democratic party is one many have brought up before; the democrats have not been a pro-worker party since the 70's. The same goes for the republicans. So while the democrats paid lip service to trickle down and fighting it, they have time and time again refused to adequately fight for workers.

    As for the Bernie Bros, look, holding me accountable for the poor actions of some people is as absurd as me saying you elected Trump by voting for HRC. This whole bernie bro hillbot nonsense has got to come to an end. A fight I cannot win? No, it's a fight I am no longer adding fuel to, because it is an absurd and pathetic harkening to excuses about why HRC lost.

    We need to unify - behind whoever the candidate is - because the entire country is at stake. Trump and his cronies are acting in such a dangerous, authoritarian manner that a second term will be catastrophic - and I mean that.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    So what do we need Bernie, Warren, and the like for if we already have socialism? If Biden and Trump debated it would be put on LAFF TV. Doesn't change the fact that Biden is ahead in the polls because Democratic voters themselves don't want socialism.
    First you need to accept this country has socialism; it's just socialism for those that don't need it, and rugged captialistic individualism for those that do.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    The cable tv shouters are really building that up.
    Total waste of time. I am so tired of the MSM treating the debates like the Royal Rumble.

    No, I don't care to see Bernie/Warren/Harris/Biden trash each other. I want policy discussion and valid conversation about what the country faces.

    We can save the destruction of the OpFor for DJT and Pence.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    It's an opinion, and I think it bears out one fact in this country no one wants to face; Americans are more anti-woman than they are racist.
    Don't even think about trying to have a civil discussion about race, gender, and politics, when you can't even put forth a decent argument in defense of one white dude.

    Out Trump, Trump? No. I think Sanders has appeal with a very important demographic that will decide the election; white males without a college degree.
    Again with the erasure of the nonwhite voters. Let me help you with some math: No Democratic candidate has won a majority of the white vote since LBJ in 1964. Over half a century ago. Pandering to the WWC at the expense of nonwhite voters is a trap that Democrats must avoid if they are to take back the White House.

    It's not about his bullying, it's about how many voters that may switch will be turned off by the appearance someone lied about ethnicity to take advantage. Remember, republicans are immune to such criticism, Democrats are not.
    You think Sanders hasn't lied? If you think that the Right does not have a very effective playbook against Sanders if he somehow earns the nomination, then you need to stop what you're doing and read this. Now you and I both know that you won't take the time to digest it, because you "know" that you're right and the writer is part of the "centrist" "corporatist" "milquetoast" "sellout" "establishment," but could you for once try to show some a higher level of introspection than that of an average Trump supporter? It is not a high bar to clear.

    Yes, I think he can win Florida. But Florida is not the important state.
    AGAIN with an uneducated comment.

    Obviously you forgot about the 2000 election where Florida singlehandedly decided the entire race. Obviously you don't do math very well, because if you did, you would know what the score on the electoral college was. With the faithless electoral votes restored, Hillary earned 232 EVs in 2016, 38 short of a win. If we flip Florida, then its 29 votes bring us just nine away. Then any of AZ, WI, MI, or PA would be enough, if all other states remain as-is.

    PA, Ohio, WI, MI, IL, MN are important states. Florida is an added bonus. Remember, those whites without a college degree? They didn't vote for HRC because HRC was anathema to their ideology. Sanders, with his pro-union, pro-worker, pro-blue collar message, past and history is what won those states and will do so again.
    See above.

    The issue right now with the democratic party is one many have brought up before; the democrats have not been a pro-worker party since the 70's. The same goes for the republicans. So while the democrats paid lip service to trickle down and fighting it, they have time and time again refused to adequately fight for workers.

    As for the Bernie Bros, look, holding me accountable for the poor actions of some people is as absurd as me saying you elected Trump by voting for HRC. This whole bernie bro hillbot nonsense has got to come to an end. A fight I cannot win? No, it's a fight I am no longer adding fuel to, because it is an absurd and pathetic harkening to excuses about why HRC lost.
    I am so sorry that you cannot handle the slightest bit of criticism against your Personal Lord and Savior. I am so sorry that you militantly refuse to even consider saying words such as, "OK, I can see where people would have a problem with Sanders doing this and saying that." Oh no. To you, Saint Bernard is precisely that. You Sanders supporters have made him into a literal deity, just like Trump supporters have done on their side. Both groups, when their deity is even slightly critiqued, throw a temper tantrum that makes a crying three-year-old look like a docile butterfly.

    We need to unify - behind whoever the candidate is - because the entire country is at stake. Trump and his cronies are acting in such a dangerous, authoritarian manner that a second term will be catastrophic - and I mean that.
    Oh NOW you're calling for unity? After throwing Elizabeth Warren under the bus? After making it clear that you will gladly throw any other candidate that doesn't pass your progressive purity test under the bus? No. What you want is not unity, but submission. I got news for you: If you want those of us who do not support Sanders--and there are a LOT more of us than you know--to compromise, then y'all need to lead by example. Y'all need to make the first move. Y'all need to be the ones to compromise first, something that y'all have militantly refused to do.

    Then, and only then, can unity start to happen.

    Oh and, BTW, the calendar is not going to wait for y'all to get your **** together. Clock's ticking down to the primaries!
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Don't even think about trying to have a civil discussion about race, gender, and politics, when you can't even put forth a decent argument in defense of one white dude.
    I don't know who you presume to think you are, but this comment is absolutely ridiculous.

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    Again with the erasure of the nonwhite voters. ...
    Who said anything about erasing non-white voters? And nowhere did I say "pander" to "WWC voters." I said they are an important demographic, and they are. They overwhelmingly supported Sanders over Clinton - but you already knew that, didn't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You think Sanders hasn't lied? ...Now you and I both know that you won't take the time to digest it, because you "know" that you're right and the writer is part of the "centrist" "corporatist" "milquetoast" "sellout" "establishment," but could you for once try to show some a higher level of introspection than that of an average Trump supporter?
    Lmao. Your article is garbage. This quote alone proves it is garbage:

    criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for
    Yes. Sanders has already answered this charge; he was against the bill but voted for it - because of the violence against women provision.

    Let's also stop the assumptions, shall we? I in no way believe Sanders is a demigod, nor do I think he is infallible. We're all fallible. So IDK what you're barking up here; frankly, I couldn't care less about What Sanders Wrote 40 years ago, when I wasn't alive. Do you seriously think anyone does? A fictitious rape story?

    What a load of **** that is.

    Also, spare me your condescending, agitprop, accusatory, patronizing tone. I have even less tolerance for holier-than-thou leftists than I do for right wing ideologues; we all know they don't think, but from you I'd expect some more civility.


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    AGAIN with an uneducated comment.
    It's not uneducated. Florida can't even count votes correctly, so what difference does it make?

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    Obviously you forgot about the 2000 election where Florida singlehandedly decided the entire race. Obviously you don't do math very well, because if you did, you would know what the score on the electoral college was. ...See above.
    There are ways to win the WH without Florida - there are 49 other states, and Sanders is the most popular dem in the rust belt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    ..."OK, I can see where people would have a problem with Sanders doing this and saying that." Oh no. To you, Saint Bernard is precisely that. You Sanders supporters have made him into a literal deity, just like Trump supporters have done on their side. Both groups, when their deity is even slightly critiqued, throw a temper tantrum that makes a crying three-year-old look like a docile butterfly.
    Where in the bloody **** have I said there are no valid criticisms of Sanders? Explain it to me.

    To you, and those who are upset about the 2016 election, I owe you nothing. You are sitting here exposing yourself as a judgmental, patronizing person with whom plenty of us would rathert not converse. I have valid criticisms of Sanders. He is lukewarm on ending the drug war. I dislike his swap in immigration, for example. I do not support his position on allowing jailed felons to vote.

    Before you open your trap and throw accusations at me, you best not lump me in with irrational smears against a generalized group.


    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Oh NOW you're calling for unity? .... Y'all need to make the first move. Y'all need to be the ones to compromise first, something that y'all have militantly refused to do.
    Sorry, I am not leading anything by example. I have been blamed - personally - by people like you for the loss in 2016, despite the fact Stein voters could also face the blame; or Johnson voters. But no. You want to blame -everyone- but yourselves for the democratic electorate choosing a fatally flawed candidate. You have -zero- introspection, and you and I have had this conversation before.

    Sanders stumped for HRC continuously after he lost. GET OVER IT. YOUR WORDS ARE HOLLOW.

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    Then, and only then, can unity start to happen.
    Then 2020 goes to Trump, because folks like you insist on your holier-than-thou high horse approach.

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    Oh and, BTW, the calendar is not going to wait for y'all to get your **** together. Clock's ticking down to the primaries!
    Your condescending tone, patronizing commentary, and your absurd obsession with blameshifting is duly noted. You are a picture perfect example of what these Trumpists -love- about triggered democrats.

    Stop your bull**** and vote blue no matter who. Trump is the enemy here, not "berniebros" or "hillbots."

    Jesus christ you haven't learned a single thing from 2016.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    First you need to accept this country has socialism; it's just socialism for those that don't need it, and rugged captialistic individualism for those that do.
    Why do we need to elect Bernie, Warren, et al if we are already socialist?

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Why do we need to elect Bernie, Warren, et al if we are already socialist?
    Because our socialist programs are backwards. We give handouts to huge corporations to build businesses in localities; then they hire workers and pay them dismally. The workers are then forced to apply for government benefits.

    Because our tax system rewards industries for being "non-profit" which is nonsense, for example, hospital networks - non-profit, but make so much money they -have- to spend it buying up all the other providers in an area to justify their tax exempt status, eliminating competition and stifling growth.

    Because those socialist policies are in place for the rich, and not the poor or middle classes, that's why. Because I tire of seeing wealth not trickle down. I want it reversed. We have tried this experiment and it has failed.
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