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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherFease View Post
    This Thursday, on ABC, will be the third Democrat presidential debate. Ten candidates will square off in a three-hour debate.

    Who do you think will win the debate?

    Who do you think will lose the debate, as in, lose ground?

    Who do you think might sneak up into the Biden vs. Warren vs. Sanders competition?

    Here are the polling results for the month of August. Keep in mind I am only using the Democrat-approved national polls:

    1. Joe Biden - 29%
    2. Elizabeth Warren - 17%
    3. Bernie Sanders - 14%
    4. Kamala Harris - 7%
    5. Pete Buttigieg - 5%
    6. Andrew Yang - 3%
    7. Cory Booker & Beto O'Rourke - 2%
    9. Julian Casto, Tulsi Gabbard & Amy Klobuchar -1%
    They only winners from this debate will be the people who don't what and find something productive or enjoyable to do with the three hours.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You think a Socialist Jewish man whose tone-deafness is second only to Individual-1's is going to get anywhere near the presidency? You ever taken a peek inside that man's skeleton closet?!
    Yes. Emptiest one around. He's not a 'socialist', he's a Democratic Socialist, he's not 'tone deaf', on and on you are screaming your Bernie Derangement and lack of honesty.

    Great idea, try to win over Democrats by going after Obama supporters!
    You also lack reading comprehension.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And here we go.

    Do you need a reminder of all the toxicity from the more aggressive Sanders supporters in 2016? Or do you believe that Saint Bernard deserves immunity from scrutiny?
    I don't need a reminder of toxicity with your post in front of me.

    Bernie deserves scrutiny - not ignorant smears from people with Bernie Derangement like you.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    Yes. Emptiest one around. He's not a 'socialist', he's a Democratic Socialist, he's not 'tone deaf', on and on you are screaming your Bernie Derangement and lack of honesty.
    Sanders maybe running a social democratic campaign, but Bernie Sanders is a socialist.



    You also lack reading comprehension.
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    I don't need a reminder of toxicity with your post in front of me.
    There it is. The exact toxicity that I talked about. Right on cue.

    Bernie deserves scrutiny - not ignorant smears from people with Bernie Derangement like you.
    You think you are ready to have Saint Bernard scrutinized at all? I could mention just a couple examples of serious problems with that man, but you wouldn't listen, because evidence against Saint Bernard is seen as a threat to your reality and treated accordingly. That kind of defensiveness is no different than that of Trump supporters. None.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Few things annoyed me more in the last few years than hearing Bernie Bros - the ones who actually stayed home rather than support Hillary against someone as bad as Trump - whine about Trump.

    Nah, man. That's not how it works. If you stand on principle, own the fallout. Otherwise you want to have your cake and eat it too.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Sanders maybe running a social democratic campaign, but Bernie Sanders is a socialist.
    I see Bernie saying a lot of truth in that video from frickin 35 years ago, but he did not say 'he's a socialist', and if you had any honesty, you'd stop posting the lie that he says he's a socialist now.

    You think you are ready to have Saint Bernard scrutinized at all? I could mention just a couple examples of serious problems with that man, but you wouldn't listen, because evidence against Saint Bernard is seen as a threat to your reality and treated accordingly. That kind of defensiveness is no different than that of Trump supporters. None.
    Great case you made. Phony claims you could make a case are better than more lies, at least.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Few things annoyed me more in the last few years than hearing Bernie Bros - the ones who actually stayed home rather than support Hillary against someone as bad as Trump - whine about Trump.

    Nah, man. That's not how it works. If you stand on principle, own the fallout. Otherwise you want to have your cake and eat it too.
    More Bernie supporters voted for Hillary - as Bernie STRONGLY pushed them to - than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008, as she did not make nearly the effort for Obama that Bernie did for her.

    And that's in SPITE of the fact of how many Bernie supporters would never vote for Hillary, because Bernie has a lot broader appeal to independents - he got 2 for every 1 Hillary got - and even people who would vote for Bernie over trump, but not Hillary. That's a strength of Bernie attracting those voters, which would help the Democrats win the presidency. You can call the few 'Bernie bros' who didn't vote for Hillary wrong - but don't falsify their numbers.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    I see Bernie saying a lot of truth in that video from frickin 35 years ago, but he did not say 'he's a socialist', and if you had any honesty, you'd stop posting the lie that he says he's a socialist now.
    Clearly you did not pay attention to what he was saying. He was clearly enabling the brutal tyrant Fidel Castro, who oppressed his people for decades. You think we had people fleeing from Florida to Cuba? No-sir, it was the other way around.

    He also boldly supported the socialist Sandinista National Liberation Front. Whatever advances in gender equality and whatnot they may have had were completely overshadowed by their brutal human rights abuses, particularly against indigenous people. Your boy Sanders conveniently left that part out.

    Great case you made. Phony claims you could make a case are better than more lies, at least.
    Dismissing allegations of defensiveness with your own defensiveness is not the winning argument you obviously feel that it is. Try hard to understand why. Try very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    More Bernie supporters voted for Hillary - as Bernie STRONGLY pushed them to - than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008, as she did not make nearly the effort for Obama that Bernie did for her.
    Sanders's support for Hillary following the convention was pathetically weak compared to his divisive attacks against her. The Democrats have never had to deal with a primary candidate that was this divisive since Ted Kennedy. Yet this time, the nominated candidate got nearly three million more votes than her competitor in the general election.

    And that's in SPITE of the fact of how many Bernie supporters would never vote for Hillary, because Bernie has a lot broader appeal to independents - he got 2 for every 1 Hillary got - and even people who would vote for Bernie over trump, but not Hillary. That's a strength of Bernie attracting those voters, which would help the Democrats win the presidency. You can call the few 'Bernie bros' who didn't vote for Hillary wrong - but don't falsify their numbers.
    Sanders lost the primary fair and square. Get over it already. He was the only guy in the field who passed the progressive purity test that year, and if he had run a better campaign, he might have earned himself the nomination. But he didn't. In particular, you know what demographic absolutely crushed him? Nonwhite voters over the age of 30, who overwhelmingly supported Hillary. He simply found no way to connect with them.
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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Few things annoyed me more in the last few years than hearing Bernie Bros - the ones who actually stayed home rather than support Hillary against someone as bad as Trump - whine about Trump.

    Nah, man. That's not how it works. If you stand on principle, own the fallout. Otherwise you want to have your cake and eat it too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    More Bernie supporters voted for Hillary - as Bernie STRONGLY pushed them to - than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008, as she did not make nearly the effort for Obama that Bernie did for her.

    And that's in SPITE of the fact of how many Bernie supporters would never vote for Hillary, because Bernie has a lot broader appeal to independents - he got 2 for every 1 Hillary got - and even people who would vote for Bernie over trump, but not Hillary. That's a strength of Bernie attracting those voters, which would help the Democrats win the presidency. You can call the few 'Bernie bros' who didn't vote for Hillary wrong - but don't falsify their numbers.
    "don't falsify their numbers"?

    Eh? I didn't mention any numbers. My general point was about what genuinely standing on principle is and what standing on principle is not. I reached for Bernie supporters because (A) you guys made that the present subject, and (B) I myself had arguments with Bernie supporting friends who stayed home but then complained that Trump won.

    What did they expect to happen? Hillary would win and that way they get a Dem president thus generally policies they prefer over Trump policies thanks to the people who did still go out for Hillary, but then also get to tell themselves they stood on principle and are therefore better in some sense than those who backed Hillary because she was not Trump. Nothing to do with specific numbers. It's a general comment using a more recent example. I could name others. But in general, I am tired of people acting like they stand on principle when they complain about the result, or perhaps if they only stand on principle when it doesn't cost them anything. If something is a true principle one holds, one stands on it despite painful results.

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    Re: Lets talk about the third debate on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Clearly you did not pay attention to what he was saying. He was clearly enabling the brutal tyrant Fidel Castro, who oppressed his people for decades. You think we had people fleeing from Florida to Cuba? No-sir, it was the other way around.
    No, he was correcting lies about Castro. You're the one who did not pay attention to what he said. He's condemned Castro.

    Sanders acknowledged that Cuba is undemocratic and authoritarian and expressed hope that the country would change. But "it would be wrong not to state in Cuba they have made some good advances in health care," he said.

    "They are sending doctors all over the world. They have made some progress in education. I think by restoring full diplomatic relations with Cuba, it will result in significant improvements to the lives of Cubans and it will help the United States," Sanders said.
    Sanders responds to 1985 praise of Fidel Castro, Sandinistas - POLITICO

    He also boldly supported the socialist Sandinista National Liberation Front. Whatever advances in gender equality and whatnot they may have had were completely overshadowed by their brutal human rights abuses, particularly against indigenous people. Your boy Sanders conveniently left that part out.
    Enough of your uninformed dishonesty.

    Why Bernie Was Right to Oppose US Intervention in Central America

    Sanders's support for Hillary following the convention was pathetically weak compared to his divisive attacks against her. The Democrats have never had to deal with a primary candidate that was this divisive since Ted Kennedy.
    I see you don't think that was enough uninformed dishonesty. Bernie's campaign was widely described as the most gentle primary campaign in memory, and that he campaigned harder for Hillary than anyone else.

    Sanders lost the primary fair and square.
    My objection is not that he didn't, it's your dishonest smears. But since you bring it up, no, he did not lose fairly. Hillary bought the DNC - and got favors like having the number of debates slashed and put on the least-viewed nights, because she knew her advantage was the voters not knowing Bernie, and how they preferred him once they did.

    You failed the honesty test on the F-35 issue by not taking it.
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