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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    Yes, beating a child does nothing but teach it that physical abuse is fine and acceptable. As far as I'm concerned if a parent has to resort to physical violence as a means of disciplining the child, they have failed as a parent at that point.
    Not only that it's fine and acceptable, but that it's a means of getting what one wants from others.

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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    So what this thread is trying to say is that only American parents are dysfunctional? Because it's only here that we have these mass shootings...
    Well, we do work more hours than anyone, anywhere, on earth. We do face bankruptcy if we have an unexpected medical bill. Stress ain't healthy. And to top that off, we do more drugs than anyone else, too.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    They can only do so much. In fact, there's less available now than there used to be. I suspect that we'll move in the direction of the UK now, which advises its citizens to inform the police on people who say offensive yet legal things in public. Either that or grab the guns.
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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    In this instance, I don't think so.

    True crime is interesting if you strip it down to pure entertainment, but pretending it has value beyond that?

    Meh.
    That is you being damned dishonest.
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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    Yes, beating a child does nothing but teach it that physical abuse is fine and acceptable. As far as I'm concerned if a parent has to resort to physical violence as a means of disciplining the child, they have failed as a parent at that point.
    Never said abuse or beat a child. The saying has a truth to it, if you think I'm advocating abuse that's a you issue
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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    That is you being damned dishonest.
    If by dishonest you mean realistic & truthful, absolutely.
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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    Yes, beating a child does nothing but teach it that physical abuse is fine and acceptable. As far as I'm concerned if a parent has to resort to physical violence as a means of disciplining the child, they have failed as a parent at that point.
    When I was a kid spankings were still the norm. I have never considered a spanking to be abuse, it was always a physical punishment. Now people consider a spanking to be physical abuse, and a lot of parents have no clue how to discipline a child so they understand consequences. Spankings were just another tool in the parenting chest that most parents only had to use a few times.

    I think Renae's point was not just meaning spank your child or even to use physical punishment, I think Renae was saying that sometimes you need to be a bit firmer with your punishments, instead of a 1 week grounding make it 2 weeks, stand in the corner or timeouts for longer periods, take away privileges. That kind of thing can be used effectively to instill a sense of consequence. Being a parent is a balancing act and unfortunately some people just are not very good at it.

    To the rest of the point of the OP there were so many signs that this kid was about to explode that I am surprised there are not more law suits or criminal neglect charges pending.

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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    If by dishonest you mean realistic & truthful, absolutely.

    Yes, you are so right, this kid committed crimes, never reported to teh police. He was a GREATLY troubled child and the system didn't step up, the police KNEW he was a danger, didn't act. You're SO right, there is just NOTHING that could have been done. I mean look at this:
    Starting just days before his 18th birthday, Doe threw several more red flags in the air. He viciously attacked a fellow student while using the N word. This resulted not in an arrest, but in a new rule that Doe was no longer allowed to bring a backpack to school, to make it harder for him to bring in weapons. Just a few days later, Doe’s adoptive mother was so troubled by his behavior she called Youth Emergency Services to see if he should be institutionalized. Naturally, he was not. He told a classmate he’d been cutting himself and drinking gasoline, and his mother was advised to keep sharp objects away from him again. He wrote “kill” in a notebook; when asked why, he “explained that his mother had decided not to allow him to get an ID, so he couldn’t buy a gun.”

    But his mother eventually relented — and through all of this, no official had managed to get Doe the kind of criminal or mental-health record it would take to make him fail a background check. As a matter of policy, the school system deliberately avoided getting police involved in student crimes: One rule allowed students to commit three misdemeanors a year before law enforcement was even an option; arrests were optional for felonies too. Beyond that, a lot of Doe’s misbehavior was reported to school staff but not recorded properly. Still, the police were also well aware of what was going on with Doe. They were called to his house 45 times, though some of these calls pertained to his brother.
    Yep clearly there was no chance for the system to have stopped this. Or how about this?

    On the day of the shooting itself, even more incompetence and bad policies revealed themselves. When Doe approached the building, he walked through a gate that should have been locked. A school safety monitor passed him, instantly knew it was a problem for Doe to be walking onto campus with a rifle bag, and yet neither intercepted him nor called a “Code Red” that would have instructed everyone to shelter in place with the doors locked rather than pour into the hallways — which is exactly what many students did when the fire alarm went off, apparently from gun smoke. That fire alarm, incidentally, was oversensitive and obsolete and should already have been replaced. No other adult called a Code Red either: Against standard practice, the school’s principal had decided no one could call a Code Red but him, to avoid false alarms that could bring bad PR, and the principal was gone that day. Most notoriously, school resource officer Scot Peterson hid outside the building the entire time rather than confronting the shooter.
    Yep, you are SO right, I mean the facts play into your narrative just SO well... like a square peg in a round hole.
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    Re: Why Parkland Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    If you read it you'd see they go into the systemic failures of the school system and police to intervene with the young man.
    Yes, they blame the school system and the BSO, and not a word about the absence of any frame from 20+ surveillance cameras showing Cruz doing the shooting.

    I like National Review, but the article and the book are merely an apology for the secrecy of another false flag advancing the agenda of gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Yes, they blame the school system and the BSO, and not a word about the absence of any frame from 20+ surveillance cameras showing Cruz doing the shooting.

    I like National Review, but the article and the book are merely an apology for the secrecy of another false flag advancing the agenda of gun control.
    Dude, that Conspiracy theory madness, I cannot in anyway find agreement with you on such nonsense.
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