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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Wiki... Since you invoked it.
    Strange there's not a single [] in your quote.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    To date, no Western democracy has fallen. Nor have any gone to war against each other.
    But this western democracy is on the cusp of war with itself.
    Didn't see that one comin', did ya?
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    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    But this western democracy is on the cusp of war with itself.
    Didn't see that one comin', did ya?
    Us political debaters might overestimate everyone else's interest.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Pleas skip the ASMNSSW bull**** - it's total vapid and useless.
    No, it's something you need to comprehend.
    And I already schooled you last week as to how we are a democracy, so scroll back and re-read our exchange last week, the one that sent you running to the schoolyard so that you could learn new taunts, because after I was done with you, that's all you had left.

    Your only argument is that the founding fathers rejected the notion of Athenian direct democracy and chose a constitutional republic.
    Are our lawmakers appointed by royal edict? Do our presidents pick them from a book of names?
    Is there some American equivalent to a loya jirga or an Iranian Council of Experts that selects our officials?

    No, they are democratically elected by the American people, as is our president.
    Our Constitution contains a Bill of Rights and, to date, seventeen more amendments, many of which hinge on democratic principles such as free speech, prohibition against unlawful search and seizure, the right of women to vote, defining citizenship, privileges or immunities, due process, equal protection, the very right of people to be free of involuntary servitude, the right to trial by a jury of peers, right to protection against self incrimination, the right to directly elect senators by popular vote, and many more.

    Constitutional republics ARE democracies. In our last exchange I asked you to name a single constitutional republic which is NOT a democracy. You never answered. That's because constitutional republics ARE democracies.

    You ARE one of those "people pushing the Athenian Straw Man Nonexistent Threat of Slippery Slope Windyfoggery (ASMNSSW) with regard to DEMOCRACY". You ARE the authoritarian who cannot comprehend the meaning of democracy in the modern era, you ARE the person who hates democracy.
    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Us political debaters might overestimate everyone else's interest.
    Or it might just be you trying to ignore it.
    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Or it might just be you trying to ignore it.
    If politics is civil war, we've always been in one.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    A constitutional republic does not contain any democracy. Even the idea that your vote counts is ludicrous.
    Name one constitutional republic that does not democratically elect its representatives.
    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Critics of democracy have always said that it is a poor defender of liberty-- that democracy eventually devolves into tyranny.
    Well by golly, let's allow a strongman to take over and get rid of it then, all hail our Absolute Monarch for Life!
    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Citing reams of psychological research, findings that by now have become more or less familiar, Rosenberg makes his case that human beings don’t think straight. Biases of various kinds skew our brains at the most fundamental level. For example, racism is easily triggered unconsciously in whites by a picture of a black man wearing a hoodie. We discount evidence when it doesn’t square up with our goals while we embrace information that confirms our biases. Sometimes hearing we’re wrong makes us double down. And so on and so forth.
    this is dead on but how many realize their very moments, in large, are dictated by bias?
    The more I get to know people the more I realize why Noah only let animals on the boat.

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    Re: The Real End of History

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Isn’t that what the OP (and author of the article he cites) are looking for? They want THEIR version of a democratic society, not necessarily the same version you or I would want. The way they seek to get their version is through increased force of government which, ultimately, is the antithesis of a democracy.
    Only if your definition of democracy is athenian.
    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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