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CBS Polls out of IA, NH, NV & SC: Tie ball game

noonereal said:
Warren and Sanders cannot win in the general.
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I don't see Joe Biden being able to win in the general because of his gaffs and his unable to relate to younger voters. Bernie or Liz would be my choice. Joe is too gaffe-prone and too conservative.

I'm surprised that Pete Buttigieg is not in the top 3.
 
BrotherFease said:
Wow. The winds have changed. :shock:

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

IOWA
1. Biden - 29%
2. Sanders - 26%
3. Warren - 17%

NH
1. Warren - 27%
2. Biden - 26%
3. Sanders - 25%

NV
1. Sanders - 29%
2. Biden - 27%
3. Warren - 18%

SC
1. Biden - 43%
2. Sanders - 18%
3. Warren - 14%

Nobody else comes close to double-digits.

Your thoughts? It looks like we're going to have a real dog fight come February.
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We have more or less a moderate, center left that could be going senile against what I would classify as two extreme leftist. Still time for the Democrats to come to their senses if they want to nominate a candidate that is attractive to independents. But the way the DNC and MSM is pushing, I highly doubt it.
 
Perotista said:
We have more or less a moderate, center left that could be going senile against what I would classify as two extreme leftist. Still time for the Democrats to come to their senses if they want to nominate a candidate that is attractive to independents. But the way the DNC and MSM is pushing, I highly doubt it.
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Agreed, the consensus of many (most?) demorats seems to be: Trump is toast so why not go for it and try to elect a DSA type as POTUS?

I'm not sure that it would make much difference since congress critters are not apt to do much no matter who is POTUS - they are content to be re-elected at a rate of over 90% by just piddling along and trying to borrow and spend our way to prosperity.
 
BrotherFease said:
Wow. The winds have changed. :shock:

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

IOWA
1. Biden - 29%
2. Sanders - 26%
3. Warren - 17%

NH
1. Warren - 27%
2. Biden - 26%
3. Sanders - 25%

NV
1. Sanders - 29%
2. Biden - 27%
3. Warren - 18%

SC
1. Biden - 43%
2. Sanders - 18%
3. Warren - 14%

Nobody else comes close to double-digits.

Your thoughts? It looks like we're going to have a real dog fight come February.
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Good to see Sanders polling so well. :)

But nothing can erase Democrat crimes in 2016. :(
 
Tangmo said:
It says Mickey Mouse did win.
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It also says that republicans can't win popular votes and therefore aren't popular with the people.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Agreed, the consensus of many (most?) demorats seems to be: Trump is toast so why not go for it and try to elect a DSA type as POTUS?

I'm not sure that it would make much difference since congress critters are not apt to do much no matter who is POTUS - they are content to be re-elected at a rate of over 90% by just piddling along and trying to borrow and spend our way to prosperity.
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You're probably right especially if the senate remains in GOP hands. That I would give a 50-50 chance at this time. I'll predict that if one of the far leftist wins and the Democrats take the senate, Schumer will do away with the filibuster completely making the senate a miniature House where the majority can do anything and everything it wants. It was Democrat Reid which first used the nuclear option, McConnell expanded it to the SCOTUS, I expect the nuclear option to be used on legislation next. That is if Warren or Sanders win the presidency.

Biden a bit more of a moderate and a traditionalist would rather in my opinion work with the other side to get things accomplished instead of using the ramrod.
 
Lisa said:
I don't see Joe Biden being able to win in the general because of his gaffs and his unable to relate to younger voters. Bernie or Liz would be my choice. Joe is too gaffe-prone and too conservative.

I'm surprised that Pete Buttigieg is not in the top 3.
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and his unable to relate to younger voters.
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Hillary got the third most votes in election history with plenty of young voter votes

Did she relate to them?(LOL)


I'm surprised that Pete Buttigieg is not in the top 3.
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This is why we can't believe you
 
poweRob said:
Yes they can and will. The only question left is will you **** your pants now or later?
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Yeah?

Come talk to me after the election if they're the nominee?(LOL)
 
TheParser said:
According to Politico, Vice President Biden HAS TO win in South Carolina, or he's finished.

That website says that he is depending on a certain constituency in that state to support him.
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Which he will

Plenty of blacks there
 
BrotherFease said:
Wow. The winds have changed. :shock:

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

IOWA
1. Biden - 29%
2. Sanders - 26%
3. Warren - 17%

NH
1. Warren - 27%
2. Biden - 26%
3. Sanders - 25%

NV
1. Sanders - 29%
2. Biden - 27%
3. Warren - 18%

SC
1. Biden - 43%
2. Sanders - 18%
3. Warren - 14%

Nobody else comes close to double-digits.

Your thoughts? It looks like we're going to have a real dog fight come February.
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Biden jumped out to a big lead early on because of name recognition. As the others are exposed to the public via debates, appearances on talk shows, political shows, etc. they become more familiar. There's still more than a year until the election. Expect a lot more shifts.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Good to see Sanders polling so well. :)

But nothing can erase Democrat crimes in 2016. :(
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Is that when Hillary had like about 3.7 million more popular votes than him?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If Biden’s the nominee Trump should come into the debate telling Joe how sorry he is to know he lost his family to a “drunk driver”

(Biden is going around falsely claiming the late truck driver in an accident that killed Biden’s wife was drunk when in fact he was fully exonerated, Biden’s a PoS)

Joes not just a gaffer, he’s a malicious PoS lying sack of S
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Those were the rumors.

And last fall, a spokesman for Biden said that the senator "fully accepts the Dunn family's word that these rumors were false."

Driver In Biden Crash Wanted Name Cleared - CBS News
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:beatdeadhorse
 
haymarket said:
The real questions are
1- will African American voters hold fast for Biden?
2- will Bernie eventually opt out for Warren and double her numbers?
3 - will anybody stay in to fill the center if Biden eventually departs?
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1- will African American voters hold fast for Biden?
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Yeppers
 
Lisa said:
I don't see Joe Biden being able to win in the general because of his gaffs and his unable to relate to younger voters. Bernie or Liz would be my choice. Joe is too gaffe-prone and too conservative.

I'm surprised that Pete Buttigieg is not in the top 3.
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Me too. All the times I've seen him, he speaks in reasonable, mature tones. Seems confident in himself and has reasonable policies

Supports labor. Thinks NAFTA resulted in significant jobs losses.

Supports universal background checks.

Supports pulling troops out of Afghanistan.

Supports single-payer system, but wouldn’t immediately jump to single-payer from the current system and would not eliminate private insurance companies.

Supports a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

Supports a federal non-discrimination amendment.

What does Pete Buttigieg believe? Where the candidate stands on 7 issues | PBS NewsHour
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If that is the case then it would be best to STFU about the GND nonsense - they very much like pick-up trucks, SUVs and burgers.
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The GND isn't nonsense. Nobody's going to have give up their PU trucks, SUVs or burgers. Alt-righters are spreading that BS. Doing something to preserve our environment is a needed policy.

The initial GND is merely a proposal, it will be changed, modified, subtracted, edited to a final policy that most can accept, like all other proposals.
 
Lisa said:
I'm surprised that Pete Buttigieg is not in the top 3.
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I think it's as simple as exposure.

I am sure 8 out of 10 voters have never heard of him at all, never mind what he stands for or how sharp he is.

Most Americans vote based off vague sound bites and nothing more.
 
BWG said:
Me too. All the times I've seen him, he speaks in reasonable, mature tones. Seems confident in himself and has reasonable policies

Supports labor. Thinks NAFTA resulted in significant jobs losses.

Supports universal background checks.

Supports pulling troops out of Afghanistan.

Supports the single-payer system, but wouldn’t immediately jump to single-payer from the current system and would not eliminate private insurance companies.

Supports a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

Supports a federal non-discrimination amendment.

What does Pete Buttigieg believe? Where the candidate stands on 7 issues | PBS NewsHour
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Even though I am a dyed in progressive blue Bernie supporter I think that Pete deserves to be more widely known about. Joe Biden is well known but his time is past, as is Hillary. He is educated, intelligent, well-spoken and obviously experienced turning a failing city around.
 
Perotista said:
We have more or less a moderate, center left that could be going senile against what I would classify as two extreme leftist. Still time for the Democrats to come to their senses if they want to nominate a candidate that is attractive to independents. But the way the DNC and MSM is pushing, I highly doubt it.
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That's the same as the Trump Fanboy dogma about the election. I wouldn't call it coincidence though. Nor should you.





ttwtt78640 said:
Agreed, the consensus of many (most?) demorats seems to be: Trump is toast so why not go for it and try to elect a DSA type as POTUS?

I'm not sure that it would make much difference since congress critters are not apt to do much no matter who is POTUS - they are content to be re-elected at a rate of over 90% by just piddling along and trying to borrow and spend our way to prosperity.
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Borrow and spend worked wonders for Reagan for 8 years. GW Bush too. With Trump it's steal and spend and to hell with the Constitution. You guys are loving it.

Speaking of Trump the Big Guy dropped his transmission over the summer he did. Kind of like Nixon did at Watergate -- while he was laying rubber trying to get away. In 1968 Republicans were so confident -- and so right -- they nominated Nixon who'd lost in 1960 and again for California governor in 1962. In '68 Nixon was the one because any Republican was the one. As for Biden his transmission is a bit sluggish at times but it gets him to where he wants to go. Ol' 40 mph Biden he is. Check out the crowd to welcome him when he pulls in.








Perotista said:
You're probably right especially if the senate remains in GOP hands. That I would give a 50-50 chance at this time. I'll predict that if one of the far leftist wins and the Democrats take the senate, Schumer will do away with the filibuster completely making the senate a miniature House where the majority can do anything and everything it wants. It was Democrat Reid which first used the nuclear option, McConnell expanded it to the SCOTUS, I expect the nuclear option to be used on legislation next. That is if Warren or Sanders win the presidency.

Biden a bit more of a moderate and a traditionalist would rather in my opinion work with the other side to get things accomplished instead of using the ramrod.
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No matter which Democrat wins McConnell and his Senate Republicans are going to get a ton of butt hurt. Moscow Mitch will need to win his own reelection to something like a 7th term which is likely but we don't exactly know that yet. Given the political tribalism going on in USA we definitely need some aspects of the Westminster System. For sure. That is, the majority just runs it through while leaving their tire tracks on the opposition. It''s the only approach when one party has become the disloyal opposition.
 
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BrotherFease said:
Your thoughts?
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Unless one of them breaks out after the next debate, Hillary will announce in November after hers and her daughter's book about strong women gets published in October.
 
Lisa said:
Even though I am a dyed in progressive blue Bernie supporter I think that Pete deserves to be more widely known about. Joe Biden is well known but his time is past, as is Hillary. He is educated, intelligent, well-spoken and obviously experienced turning a failing city around.
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Since DEMs keep speaking of O’Rourke and Bullock running for the Senate, why not Buttigieg getting better known by winning the 2nd Congressional District he lives in, which trended more blue by 12.7% from 2016 to 2018. IN-05 is also GOP and now rated lean gop.

If you look at the two Dem CDs in Indiana, IN-01 Gary and IN-07 Indianapolis, they’re connected by these two CDs, IN-02 and IN-05. That’s my advice to the Mayor, build a base in Indiana with overlapping elections which could lead to an upset of the governor in 2020. He could even run for governor.
 
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