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CBS Polls out of IA, NH, NV & SC: Tie ball game

whats that say about Hillary? :doh

It tells me two things: Hillary was a terrible choice for the Democratic candidate, and she didn't have 4 years of her opponent embarrassing the country in her favor.
 
Even though I am a dyed in progressive blue Bernie supporter I think that Pete deserves to be more widely known about. Joe Biden is well known but his time is past, as is Hillary. He is educated, intelligent, well-spoken and obviously experienced turning a failing city around.

I think that Pete deserves to be more widely known about

He has a right to it!!!(LOL)
 
That's the same as the Trump Fanboy dogma about the election. I wouldn't call it coincidence though. Nor should you.







Borrow and spend worked wonders for Reagan for 8 years. GW Bush too. With Trump it's steal and spend and to hell with the Constitution. You guys are loving it.

Speaking of Trump the Big Guy dropped his transmission over the summer he did. Kind of like Nixon did at Watergate -- while he was laying rubber trying to get away. In 1968 Republicans were so confident -- and so right -- they nominated Nixon who'd lost in 1960 and again for California governor in 1962. In '68 Nixon was the one because any Republican was the one. As for Biden his transmission is a bit sluggish at times but it gets him to where he wants to go. Ol' 40 mph Biden he is. Check out the crowd to welcome him when he pulls in.










No matter which Democrat wins McConnell and his Senate Republicans are going to get a ton of butt hurt. Moscow Mitch will need to win his own reelection to something like a 7th term which is likely but we don't exactly know that yet. Given the political tribalism going on in USA we definitely need some aspects of the Westminster System. For sure. That is, the majority just runs it through while leaving their tire tracks on the opposition. It''s the only approach when one party has become the disloyal opposition.

Take it as you wish. For me, Sanders and Warren are way too far left for me to vote for. Now I have always liked Joe Biden, both as a senator and as VP, but seeing him stumble, he's not the old Joe of old. If Joe happens to win the Democratic nomination, would I vote for him. Against Trump, yes I would. But it would be a cautious vote, not an energetic vote as it would have been say 3 years ago. There's others in the Democratic field I would vote for, but not Warren or Sanders.

As I stated numerous times, for me 2020 all boils down to whom the Democrats nominate. I know I won't be voting for Trump. What I don't know if I'll be voting Democratic or for a third party candidate against both major party candidates as I did in 2016. Remember 9 million folks voted against both Trump and Clinton. could happen again.
 
Take it as you wish. For me, Sanders and Warren are way too far left for me to vote for. Now I have always liked Joe Biden, both as a senator and as VP, but seeing him stumble, he's not the old Joe of old. If Joe happens to win the Democratic nomination, would I vote for him. Against Trump, yes I would. But it would be a cautious vote, not an energetic vote as it would have been say 3 years ago. There's others in the Democratic field I would vote for, but not Warren or Sanders.

As I stated numerous times, for me 2020 all boils down to whom the Democrats nominate. I know I won't be voting for Trump. What I don't know if I'll be voting Democratic or for a third party candidate against both major party candidates as I did in 2016. Remember 9 million folks voted against both Trump and Clinton. could happen again.

And in 2016 we got Trump.

Which suggests strongly 9 million people still haven't learned about the vote.

That is, if Perot had won in '92 we'd have got a Trump equivalent sooner than we got the original Trump in 2016. If Wallace had won in '68 the swastika crowd would have been staffing up the White House and Curtis "Nuke 'em Now" LeMay would have been vp. In '48 it would have been Strom Thurmond of the Racist States' Rights Party. And so on.

Now these guys political offspring have moved up in life -- into the Republican party itself. Their error is to believe it gives 'em legitimacy when the only thing it gives 'em is real access for their 21st century fascist ideas, methods, goals. Many Americans died defeating 20th century fascism in WW II. However, many more fascists died trying unsuccessfully to promote fascism and to extend it. Let there be a lesson in that for all time and fascists since then.
 
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Good to see Sanders polling so well. :)

But nothing can erase Democrat crimes in 2016. :(

Rigging a nomination for someone? Sounds familiar...
 
And in 2016 we got Trump.

Which suggests strongly 9 million people still haven't learned about the vote.

That is, if Perot had won in '92 we'd have got a Trump equivalent sooner than we got the original Trump in 2016. If Wallace had won in '68 the swastika crowd would have been staffing up the White House and Curtis "Nuke 'em Now" LeMay would have been vp. In '48 it would have been Strom Thurmond of the Racist States' Rights Party. And so on.

Now these guys political offspring have moved up in life -- into the Republican party itself. Their error is to believe it gives 'em legitimacy when the only thing it gives 'em is real access for their 21st century fascist ideas, methods, goals. Many Americans died defeating 20th century fascism in WW II. However, many more fascists died trying unsuccessfully to promote fascism and to extend it. Let there be a lesson in that for all time and fascists since then.

Simple Response, Candidates Matter. Political party doesn't mean a thing to me. It's the candidates that matter. 2016, both Trump and Clinton would have left this country in far worst shape when either one left office than when either one first entered the office. The only way to vote for no harm was voting against both and hope for a miracle. Candidates matter which you don't seem to understand. There's a lot of folks who aren't very partisan, who aren't political party oriented. Whose political ideology and philosophy falls in-between the two major parties, not of the far right or the far left.

As the GOP moves further to the right, the Democrats to the left, more and more folks are deserting those parties. More and more people aren't that extreme either way. This has led to the rise of independents, the less to nonpartisan, rising from 30% in 2006 to 41% today or as of 14 Aug 2019 according to Gallup.

Be my guest and nominate a Sanders or a Warren, perhaps they'll win. But like Hillary in 2016, I think quite of lot of those in middle America, I mean ideological and philosophical wise politically, not geographically. Will once again be voting against both. They don't like Trump, but they don't want someone from the extreme far left either. The only choice left, vote third party or stay home. My opinion anyway, for what it's worth.

Those who associate or affiliate with either major party, I don't think they understand how far out of the mainstream politically, each major party has become. Those who do identify with each major party, think they are mainstream when in fact they are not.
 
If Biden’s the nominee Trump should come into the debate telling Joe how sorry he is to know he lost his family to a “drunk driver”

(Biden is going around falsely claiming the late truck driver in an accident that killed Biden’s wife was drunk when in fact he was fully exonerated, Biden’s a PoS)

Joes not just a gaffer, he’s a malicious PoS lying sack of S

And yet you folks on the right can't seem to see any of this president's lies. Who's paying for the wall?
 
Wow. The winds have changed. :shock:

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

IOWA
1. Biden - 29%
2. Sanders - 26%
3. Warren - 17%

NH
1. Warren - 27%
2. Biden - 26%
3. Sanders - 25%

NV
1. Sanders - 29%
2. Biden - 27%
3. Warren - 18%

SC
1. Biden - 43%
2. Sanders - 18%
3. Warren - 14%

Nobody else comes close to double-digits.

Your thoughts? It looks like we're going to have a real dog fight come February.

I have no idea who’ll ultimately win the primary, but I’ll happily vote for that person in the general.
 
Simple Response, Candidates Matter. Political party doesn't mean a thing to me. It's the candidates that matter. 2016, both Trump and Clinton would have left this country in far worst shape when either one left office than when either one first entered the office. The only way to vote for no harm was voting against both and hope for a miracle. Candidates matter which you don't seem to understand. There's a lot of folks who aren't very partisan, who aren't political party oriented. Whose political ideology and philosophy falls in-between the two major parties, not of the far right or the far left.

As the GOP moves further to the right, the Democrats to the left, more and more folks are deserting those parties. More and more people aren't that extreme either way. This has led to the rise of independents, the less to nonpartisan, rising from 30% in 2006 to 41% today or as of 14 Aug 2019 according to Gallup.

Be my guest and nominate a Sanders or a Warren, perhaps they'll win. But like Hillary in 2016, I think quite of lot of those in middle America, I mean ideological and philosophical wise politically, not geographically. Will once again be voting against both. They don't like Trump, but they don't want someone from the extreme far left either. The only choice left, vote third party or stay home. My opinion anyway, for what it's worth.

Those who associate or affiliate with either major party, I don't think they understand how far out of the mainstream politically, each major party has become. Those who do identify with each major party, think they are mainstream when in fact they are not.

You didn't read my post (#54).

All you did was write a speel that restates and reasserts your self declared political genius in not being a member of either major political party. Your self assumed political superiority.

I won't restate my post because it obviously would waste my time and effort. Suffice to say again that had Ross Perot won in '92 we would have got a Donald Trump equivalent then. Donald Trump would have arrived before his time. The resulting catastrophe surely would have precluded Trump being installed as Potus in the 2016 election.

The offspring of third party nutcases have now won control over the Republican party. While they believe it gives 'em legitimacy all it gives 'em is direct access to the White House. For a myriad of reasons that's for the first time and the last time.
 
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