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    People are very confused. Well what else is new. But especially about the word "racism."

    We don't see anything wrong with black pride or gay pride. Minorities are allowed to be proud of their group identity. However, white pride is considered racism.

    There is a long history of white pride, of looking down at non-white races and ethnic groups. There was the famous "White man's burden," for example. Lots of people felt this way until not so long ago. Now most people who feel that way keep it secret, because it's taboo.

    But the feelings of superiority of Europeans and European-Americans is based on the fact that most of the inventions and discoveries of the modern world came from their culture.

    I do NOT think that was because of their whiteness, or their European ethnicity! It was a chain of historical accidents that caused Europe to be the center of invention and discovery. They were primitive raiders and herders when there were advanced civilizations in Africa, Asia, and America. But then things happened, and here we are. No one in Africa invented a telescope or a microscope.

    White nationalism is really ethnic pride. It is arrogant and obnoxious, yes. But you can't simply shut it down, because they do have things to be proud of. Well, not really, since most of the white nationalists are dumb and never invented anything.

    My point is that it's complicated. White pride is partly a reaction to black pride, gay pride, feminism, etc. There is so much contempt now for "old white men." There is really no admiration any more for the great discoverers and adventurers. Columbus is despised now because he wasn't nice to the natives. The guy was a visionary, brave explorer, and you expect him to also be a sweetheart and lover of natives?

    White men have done the most to create our modern world. I think our modern world is actually more bad than good. But credit for the bad, and the good, goes mostly to white men. NOT women! I am a woman, and I can face the fact that women have accomplished VERY LITTLE compared to men! NOT because we are inferior, but because of social roles and restrictions.

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    Re: Pride

    Did Stormfront ban alcohol or something?

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    Re: Pride

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    Did Stormfront ban alcohol or something?
    Heck... it is almost literally like you didn't even read what she wrote!

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    Re: Pride

    There's no reason to have pride over an identity.

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    Re: Pride

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    There's no reason to have pride over an identity.
    Maybe not. But why is it considered ok to be proud of being black or gay?

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    Re: Pride

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    People are very confused. Well what else is new. But especially about the word "racism."

    We don't see anything wrong with black pride or gay pride. Minorities are allowed to be proud of their group identity. However, white pride is considered racism.

    There is a long history of white pride, of looking down at non-white races and ethnic groups. There was the famous "White man's burden," for example. Lots of people felt this way until not so long ago. Now most people who feel that way keep it secret, because it's taboo.

    But the feelings of superiority of Europeans and European-Americans is based on the fact that most of the inventions and discoveries of the modern world came from their culture.

    I do NOT think that was because of their whiteness, or their European ethnicity! It was a chain of historical accidents that caused Europe to be the center of invention and discovery. They were primitive raiders and herders when there were advanced civilizations in Africa, Asia, and America. But then things happened, and here we are. No one in Africa invented a telescope or a microscope.

    White nationalism is really ethnic pride. It is arrogant and obnoxious, yes. But you can't simply shut it down, because they do have things to be proud of. Well, not really, since most of the white nationalists are dumb and never invented anything.

    My point is that it's complicated. White pride is partly a reaction to black pride, gay pride, feminism, etc. There is so much contempt now for "old white men." There is really no admiration any more for the great discoverers and adventurers. Columbus is despised now because he wasn't nice to the natives. The guy was a visionary, brave explorer, and you expect him to also be a sweetheart and lover of natives?

    White men have done the most to create our modern world. I think our modern world is actually more bad than good. But credit for the bad, and the good, goes mostly to white men. NOT women! I am a woman, and I can face the fact that women have accomplished VERY LITTLE compared to men! NOT because we are inferior, but because of social roles and restrictions.
    I think you're correct in a way. White pride isn't so much based on what whites have done in the past, but the esteem and expectations we hold for ourselves. As to why 'white' or 'straight' parades are looked upon as vulgar, these are considered the normal and superior modes of being - the 'normal'.

    Take a retard parade. They are allowed to parade because they are pitied and looked upon as inferior, but we'd feel better about it if we called them 'developmentally disabled'. But the esteem we have for them doesn't increase. When someone sets up a "Normal IQ" parade, it's looked at as insulting and vulgar. This is kind of the same dynamic when straight or white pride parades are done.
    Let's treat ourselves like we treat our fellow man. I'm moving my family to the Pine Ridge reservation. Who's with me?

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    Re: Pride

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickeroo View Post
    I think you're correct in a way. White pride isn't so much based on what whites have done in the past, but the esteem and expectations we hold for ourselves. As to why 'white' or 'straight' parades are looked upon as vulgar, these are considered the normal and superior modes of being - the 'normal'.

    Take a retard parade. They are allowed to parade because they are pitied and looked upon as inferior, but we'd feel better about it if we called them 'developmentally disabled'. But the esteem we have for them doesn't increase. When someone sets up a "Normal IQ" parade, it's looked at as insulting and vulgar. This is kind of the same dynamic when straight or white pride parades are done.
    I understand what you mean. Black pride and gay pride are reactions to having been oppressed. So it's tolerated and even approved of.

    Whites don't have a right to be proud of being white, according to current progressives, because they weren't oppressed. However, many whites do feel oppressed now. They are having financial trouble and no one cared, until Trump. Not that Trump really cares, but he says he does.

    White men see the country as being over-run by non-whites, and it is. They feel despised by progressives, and they are. They see their European-American culture as being despised, and it is.

    So white pride is a reaction. It is not really different from black pride.

    And guns are a big symbol for this movement. Guns symbolize toughness, maleness, the ability to defend yourself.

    I understand where these people are coming from. Progressives just dismiss them as deplorable haters.

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    Idk. Its dumb. In my mind all of it is "ok", its just stupid. I don't begrudge fellow crackers from having pride in their white identity, I just think its incredibly stupid.

    I do begrudge people and ideologies who use identify for political advantage. At *best it is a double standard At worst, it is cynical profiteering and/or whining like little bitches - apologies to dogs and Dog Pride.



    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    Maybe not. But why is it considered ok to be proud of being black or gay?

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    Re: Pride

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Idk. Its dumb. In my mind all of it is "ok", its just stupid. I don't begrudge fellow crackers from having pride in their white identity, I just think its incredibly stupid.

    I do begrudge people and ideologies who use identify for political advantage. At *best it is a double standard At worst, it is cynical profiteering and/or whining like little bitches - apologies to dogs and Dog Pride.
    I don't like identity politics at all. I never was a feminist. And notice we don't have a Jewish pride movement. That's because we don't need one -- Jews have proven they can succeed in the modern world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    I understand what you mean. Black pride and gay pride are reactions to having been oppressed. So it's tolerated and even approved of.

    Whites don't have a right to be proud of being white, according to current progressives, because they weren't oppressed. However, many whites do feel oppressed now. They are having financial trouble and no one cared, until Trump. Not that Trump really cares, but he says he does.

    White men see the country as being over-run by non-whites, and it is. They feel despised by progressives, and they are. They see their European-American culture as being despised, and it is.

    So white pride is a reaction. It is not really different from black pride.

    And guns are a big symbol for this movement. Guns symbolize toughness, maleness, the ability to defend yourself.

    I understand where these people are coming from. Progressives just dismiss them as deplorable haters.
    I'll fine-tune the dynamic. Think about a Polish festival, then next week the Lithuanians set up their festival. Nobody bats an eye- because Polish identity isn't based on anything Lithuanian. Black identity in America has a lot do do with whites. We can't talk about blacks without whites somehow making it into the conversation. It's kind of sad when a race's identity is so tied up with another's. Imagine if when we talked about whites, the Chinese always came up. I wouldn't want that kind of racial dependency.
    Let's treat ourselves like we treat our fellow man. I'm moving my family to the Pine Ridge reservation. Who's with me?

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