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Pride

Pride prevents progress, it is the ultimate weakness.
 
Deuce said:
Not relevant to this conversation. Why do people always try to excuse slavery with this fact?
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I am NOT excusing slavery. If you are going to hate the American whites who owned slaves hundreds of years ago, then you should also hate the African blacks who owned slaves. And all the other slave-owning societies.
 
Deuce said:
mon. A history in chains.

And every last bit of this occurred under the whip of a white owner. That's why oppression by white people is a common thread in black culture. It's literally why black culture exists. Yeah, a black person was on the selling point a dozen generations ago, and that's terrible, but that black person didn't make the slaves learn English or convert to Christianity. It's not relevant to a discussion like this.
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People all over Europe were forced to convert to Christianity by the Romans. Their pagan culture was destroyed. But we don't see modern Europeans resenting ancient Rome.

All of this is just stupid.
 
KevinKohler said:
Pride prevents progress, it is the ultimate weakness.
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Yes excessive pride is sinful. But feeling good about yourself is not sinful, it is necessary for mental health.

Anyway, black pride and gay pride are probably not very useful. If I were black, I wouldn't have too much pride in being black. It would not be something I accomplished myself, just how I was born. I would be ok with it, but not obsessed.

It's like how I feel about being female or Jewish. Not real proud of either, but both are ok.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Yes excessive pride is sinful. But feeling good about yourself is not sinful, it is necessary for mental health.

Anyway, black pride and gay pride are probably not very useful. If I were black, I wouldn't have too much pride in being black. It would not be something I accomplished myself, just how I was born. I would be ok with it, but not obsessed.

It's like how I feel about being female or Jewish. Not real proud of either, but both are ok.
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Pride isn't just feeling good about yourself, it goes further than that. Feeling good about yourself is self esteem. Pride is the feeling of being BETTER. Pride keeps you from improving, because you're already just great. Pride keeps you from admitting wrong, which means you never learn anything new. Pride keeps you from truly acknowledging others, because they're not as good as you.
 
Pride - a preoccupation with self. If you go thru history, you will have a pretty good list of evil people who were very prideful and saintly people who were very humble.

They are scattered over every continent amongst all races.

Martin Luther King was a champion of humility. What an amazing man. We really need more leaders like him. I am not sure we even know what humility is any longer.
 
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KevinKohler said:
Pride isn't just feeling good about yourself, it goes further than that. Feeling good about yourself is self esteem. Pride is the feeling of being BETTER. Pride keeps you from improving, because you're already just great. Pride keeps you from admitting wrong, which means you never learn anything new. Pride keeps you from truly acknowledging others, because they're not as good as you.
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Ok, I agree. So there shouldn't be black pride or gay pride or white pride, really. It should be a different word.
 
charliebrown said:
Pride - a preoccupation with self. If you go thru history, you will have a pretty good list of evil people who were very prideful and saintly people who were very humble.

They are scattered over every continent amongst all races.

Martin Luther King was a champion of humility. What an amazing man. We really need more leaders like him. I am not sure we even know what humility is any longer.
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Without humility we never learn. The ego takes over and the ego just is not qualified to be in control.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Ok, I agree. So there shouldn't be black pride or gay pride or white pride, really. It should be a different word.
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Those pride celebrations you are referring to exist for the purpose of making those people feel equal to, not better than.
 
Joel said:
Those pride celebrations you are referring to exist for the purpose of making those people feel equal to, not better than.
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People tend to forget that there was a time that existed in the lifetime of PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE today where celebrations like that would never have occurred because being either of those things was grounds for getting beat or worse.

The reason some people take so much offense to them is because it is a clear reminder that they no longer have the right or protections to simply whoop the **** out of a black man or gay person because they want to.....and that makes them mad.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I am NOT excusing slavery. If you are going to hate the American whites who owned slaves hundreds of years ago, then you should also hate the African blacks who owned slaves. And all the other slave-owning societies.
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What makes you think I approve of any aspect of slavery?
 
Good4Nothin said:
People all over Europe were forced to convert to Christianity by the Romans. Their pagan culture was destroyed. But we don't see modern Europeans resenting ancient Rome.

All of this is just stupid.
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You... think people approve of destroying the pagans? Mass-conquest? Can you show me an example?
 
Good4Nothin said:
People are very confused. Well what else is new. But especially about the word "racism."

We don't see anything wrong with black pride or gay pride. Minorities are allowed to be proud of their group identity. However, white pride is considered racism.

There is a long history of white pride, of looking down at non-white races and ethnic groups. There was the famous "White man's burden," for example. Lots of people felt this way until not so long ago. Now most people who feel that way keep it secret, because it's taboo.

But the feelings of superiority of Europeans and European-Americans is based on the fact that most of the inventions and discoveries of the modern world came from their culture.

I do NOT think that was because of their whiteness, or their European ethnicity! It was a chain of historical accidents that caused Europe to be the center of invention and discovery. They were primitive raiders and herders when there were advanced civilizations in Africa, Asia, and America. But then things happened, and here we are. No one in Africa invented a telescope or a microscope.

White nationalism is really ethnic pride. It is arrogant and obnoxious, yes. But you can't simply shut it down, because they do have things to be proud of. Well, not really, since most of the white nationalists are dumb and never invented anything.

My point is that it's complicated. White pride is partly a reaction to black pride, gay pride, feminism, etc. There is so much contempt now for "old white men." There is really no admiration any more for the great discoverers and adventurers. Columbus is despised now because he wasn't nice to the natives. The guy was a visionary, brave explorer, and you expect him to also be a sweetheart and lover of natives?

White men have done the most to create our modern world. I think our modern world is actually more bad than good. But credit for the bad, and the good, goes mostly to white men. NOT women! I am a woman, and I can face the fact that women have accomplished VERY LITTLE compared to men! NOT because we are inferior, but because of social roles and restrictions.
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White males have not been an oppressed minority in Western Europe or North America.
 
Deuce said:
You... think people approve of destroying the pagans? Mass-conquest? Can you show me an example?
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We don't see anyone feeling sorry for modern Europeans because Rome conquered them centuries ago. Sometimes things are just over.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Columbus is despised now because he wasn't nice to the natives. The guy was a visionary, brave explorer, and you expect him to also be a sweetheart and lover of natives?
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Not addressing the rest of your post here, but you have a serious problem with ignorance on the topic above you should fix before you post again on it.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Maybe not. But why is it considered ok to be proud of being black or gay?
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Do you not understand that it's a reaction to decades of persecution. It's saying, 'I'm here, I'm not going to be shut down, and what are you going to do about it?' As far as I can tell the fine people chanting 'Jews will not replace us' aren't the victims they pretend to be as an excuse for their race hatred and bigotry.
It's really very simple; as simple as the bottom-feeding racist simpletons.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Maybe not. But why is it considered ok to be proud of being black or gay?
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This old cannard. You are not selling yourself well here if you think 'gay pride' is about being proud that you are gay. Think a little deeper.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Yes, many whites owned blacks, in the past. But many African blacks owned African blacks, in the past, and actually some still do.

Egyptians owned Hebrews, in the past. Almost every race and ethnic group was owned by someone at some time.

Women were considered their husband's possession, until not long ago. That doesn't make me hate all men.
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Unfortunately it's as if black identity bases itself, in large part, on white people: Black problems are caused (and thus have to be solved) by white people. Sure bad things happened in the past, but political contrivance keeps this dynamic alive today. Sure whites are blamed, one can claim 'reverse racism' and whatnot, but what whites get in return is the ultimate in esteem and respect from all races: everyone knows - blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and most importantly whites - everyone knows and understands at the very deepest level that no other race is responsible for whites. In this way, whites are at the top of the racial hierarchy. They were put there by the current social clime, which seeks to provide a political advantage from leftists with minorities.
 
Good4Nothin said:
People are very confused. Well what else is new. But especially about the word "racism."

We don't see anything wrong with black pride or gay pride. Minorities are allowed to be proud of their group identity. However, white pride is considered racism.

There is a long history of white pride, of looking down at non-white races and ethnic groups. There was the famous "White man's burden," for example. Lots of people felt this way until not so long ago. Now most people who feel that way keep it secret, because it's taboo.

But the feelings of superiority of Europeans and European-Americans is based on the fact that most of the inventions and discoveries of the modern world came from their culture.

I do NOT think that was because of their whiteness, or their European ethnicity! It was a chain of historical accidents that caused Europe to be the center of invention and discovery. They were primitive raiders and herders when there were advanced civilizations in Africa, Asia, and America. But then things happened, and here we are. No one in Africa invented a telescope or a microscope.

White nationalism is really ethnic pride. It is arrogant and obnoxious, yes. But you can't simply shut it down, because they do have things to be proud of. Well, not really, since most of the white nationalists are dumb and never invented anything.

My point is that it's complicated. White pride is partly a reaction to black pride, gay pride, feminism, etc. There is so much contempt now for "old white men." There is really no admiration any more for the great discoverers and adventurers. Columbus is despised now because he wasn't nice to the natives. The guy was a visionary, brave explorer, and you expect him to also be a sweetheart and lover of natives?

White men have done the most to create our modern world. I think our modern world is actually more bad than good. But credit for the bad, and the good, goes mostly to white men. NOT women! I am a woman, and I can face the fact that women have accomplished VERY LITTLE compared to men! NOT because we are inferior, but because of social roles and restrictions.
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The big problem with your op is that all the great things that have occurred in life is because of intelligence and has nothing to do with the color of skin. Intelligence versus ignorance is a tangible thing given that education is a big factor in the difference and again has nothing to do with the color of the skin. On occasions, genes play a factor but genes are not something anyone can do anything about.

Pride in the color of the skin is a normal thing among people due to human nature but it is an uneducated form of pride. It is normal though, simply because there has always been a concentrated effort at racism due to color and as such, if you are black (for example) you normally associate yourself with those of the same color but in reality that too is a form of racism. Associating yourself with people with the same education and mind ability is what should happen but then again not to debase those with less but to work together to accomplish higher goals.

Anything other than this is uninformed and wrong racism. The brain and knowledge is the only thing that has any kind of a right to separate yourself from others. Differentiating yourself from others because of color of skin is wrong!
 
Good4Nothin said:
Ok, I agree. So there shouldn't be black pride or gay pride or white pride, really. It should be a different word.
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Yes. Tossing the word pride in there implies these folks are racist.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I understand what you mean. Black pride and gay pride are reactions to having been oppressed. So it's tolerated and even approved of.

Whites don't have a right to be proud of being white, according to current progressives, because they weren't oppressed. However, many whites do feel oppressed now. They are having financial trouble and no one cared, until Trump. Not that Trump really cares, but he says he does.

White men see the country as being over-run by non-whites, and it is. They feel despised by progressives, and they are. They see their European-American culture as being despised, and it is.

So white pride is a reaction. It is not really different from black pride. Run over by non-whites? Show me where there is the same oppression against whites that has existed against non-whites? There is oppression for humans in general but this is not oppression against whites!

And guns are a big symbol for this movement. Guns symbolize toughness, maleness, the ability to defend yourself.

I understand where these people are coming from. Progressives just dismiss them as deplorable haters.
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I was almost ready to give you a recommendation on your post due to the first part of the post but then read the second part and the recommendation was not given.

Whites are NOT being oppressed. What is happening is a call for equality and equality encompasses unfairness in general as life is always unfair.

and by the way, to use a gun to show toughness and maleness is only done by those that have no toughness or maleness as it is a tool that anyone can get. Toughness and maleness of character does not require tools to show. It requires being tough and being male and standing up to the negatives that life throws at us. Guns are like money, it does not require toughness of character. It requires money or luck.
 
Captain America said:
My advice to my fellow "whitey's." Adapt and improvise. It's a new age and there are no protections guaranteeing us we get to stay in charge of the plantation.

You got problems with people who don't all sit down together at the table at supper time? Adapt and improvise.

You got problem with men who don't step up and be a father like the father you had? Adapt and improvise.

You got problems with car jackings and drive-by's? Adapt and improvise.

You got problems with filth and urban decay in the inner-cities? Adapt and improvise.

You got a problem working 2 jobs to stay ahead, all the while contributing to the pockets of those who will not do so? Adapt and improvise.

You got a problem with pop culture embracing, what some people call music, that glorifies violence and what you consider to be anti-social traits? Adapt and improvise.

Does cheap, gaudy jewelry, ugly tattoo's and "pants on the ground" offend you? First off, get a life and quit being such a ninny butt and THEN adapt and improvise.

Face it. It's about cultural differences. It's not about the color of one's skin.

But since the culture that seems to offend "whitey" the most usually happen to share a common skin color, you can't criticize these, what you think are, anti-social traits because that would make you racist.

So just keep your mouth shut and adapt and improvise. You can't win.
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Adapt and improvise and not winning is simply the wrong way to think. Adapt should be Learn and Improvise should be Learn and Change (do the right thing). It is not about winning as winning means someone is losing and there should not be any of that. It is about becoming a better person and that means "everyone wins".

Your post once again shows why you are and have been a Trump supporter. You are simply advocating being a "hidden" racist that adapts and improvises as is needed for survival. It does not show any understanding between right and wrong. It is the mantra of someone like Trump that is a con man that is simply there to take advantage of being smarter than others. It does not make you a better person. It makes you a con man.
 
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