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Just as I predicted, yet another mass shooting...

snakestretcher said:
Yes, an expert:roll:. Your qualifications are...? Don't tell me-a high school diploma. Am I right?
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I told you - I'm Leo DiCaprio; I starred in Catch Me If You Can. :cool:
 
snakestretcher said:
In Texas, again, barely four weeks after the last atrocity. And of course as this has now become the norm (spare me the obligatory defensive statistics), collective shoulders will be shrugged until the next time. And the time after that. But America doesn't have a gun violence problem, right, and only bad guys kill people. Well here's the thing; everyone is a 'law-abiding good guy' until the day he isn't any longer. And the 600lb gorilla in the room that gun fetishists want to ignore? The precious guns they're cuddling in case the gubmint turns on them.

Midland-Odessa, Texas shooting: Here's what we know
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Never understood that diatribe about> "We need our guns in case the Government comes after us!" You want to tap them on the shoulder and say.."Ah..in case you don't know this, fighter jets would wipe your ass and your whole neighborhood block off the face of the earth before you would even have the slightest idea what-the-hell-is-going-on." Plus the Army tanks would blow-up your pathetic safe-rooms or whatever the hell you have as easy as you swat a slow bug." "You might want to think of a much better excuse...'cause that one truly sucks!"
 
HIP56948 said:
Never understood that diatribe about> "We need our guns in case the Government comes after us!" You want to tap them on the shoulder and say.."Ah..in case you don't know this, fighter jets would wipe your ass and your whole neighborhood block off the face of the earth before you would even have the slightest idea what-the-hell-is-going-on." Plus the Army tanks would blow-up your pathetic safe-rooms or whatever the hell you have as easy as you swat a slow bug." "You might want to think of a much better excuse...'cause that one truly sucks!"
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Have you considered that people need their guns to protect themselves from a neighbor, for example, if the government no longer protected us?
 
snakestretcher said:
Did you not realise this isn't the Fisher-Price forum, but is for adults?
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Look. 3leftsdoo is an anarchist. His goal is to rile everyone up...To be a troll. He trolls the right and the left.
 
HIP56948 said:
Never understood that diatribe about> "We need our guns in case the Government comes after us!" You want to tap them on the shoulder and say.."Ah..in case you don't know this, fighter jets would wipe your ass and your whole neighborhood block off the face of the earth before you would even have the slightest idea what-the-hell-is-going-on." Plus the Army tanks would blow-up your pathetic safe-rooms or whatever the hell you have as easy as you swat a slow bug." "You might want to think of a much better excuse...'cause that one truly sucks!"
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I tried explaining that attempting to fight an Apache gunship with a pop-gun isn't likely to end well for the pop-gun owner, and that Abrams rolling up Main Street isn't going to notice a few feeble bullets bouncing off it. Still, the righties persist in their fantasy of fighting a 'tyrannical government' and winning.
 
snakestretcher said:
In Texas, again, barely four weeks after the last atrocity. And of course as this has now become the norm (spare me the obligatory defensive statistics), collective shoulders will be shrugged until the next time. And the time after that. But America doesn't have a gun violence problem, right, and only bad guys kill people. Well here's the thing; everyone is a 'law-abiding good guy' until the day he isn't any longer. And the 600lb gorilla in the room that gun fetishists want to ignore? The precious guns they're cuddling in case the gubmint turns on them.

Midland-Odessa, Texas shooting: Here's what we know
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I'd say we have a society problem. Pre-Gun control we had very little mass shootings. say between 1900-70 there were a total of 28. The decade I grew up in, 1950's there was just one and that was done by Puerto Rician Nationalist, more or less a terrorist group for independence by shooting 4 representatives in the House of Representatives.

Then society took a wrong turn, mass shootings increased to 13 in the 1970's, 32 in the 1980's, 42 in the 1990's, it dropped to 28 in the 2000's. Since 2010 we have had 150 plus.

Mass Shootings in America: A Historical Review - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I don't think this problem will be solved until we're willing to delve deep into our society to see where, how and why it went wrong. Banning guns doesn't do a single thing about the cause, the reason for all these mass shootings. It might take away a tool, but if the cause, the reason remains, these killers will turn to other means. Like bombs, knives, machetes, arson, fire, driving cars into crowds, chemicals etc. Unless we are willing to try to find the cause, the reason, banning guns won't work.

Banning guns is like treating a patient with a headache caused by brain tumor an aspirin. Sure it cures the headache for awhile, but the headache will return. It leaves the cause, the brain tumor in place. Such is gun control in my opinion. We as a society are unwilling to even try to find the root causes, reasons for all this killings. Perhaps we're afraid of what we might find? But mark my word, you can ban every single gun, but the killings will continue. Abet by other means, but they will continue until we are willing to try to find out the reasons and causes.
 
HIP56948 said:
Never understood that diatribe about> "We need our guns in case the Government comes after us!" You want to tap them on the shoulder and say.."Ah..in case you don't know this, fighter jets would wipe your ass and your whole neighborhood block off the face of the earth before you would even have the slightest idea what-the-hell-is-going-on." Plus the Army tanks would blow-up your pathetic safe-rooms or whatever the hell you have as easy as you swat a slow bug." "You might want to think of a much better excuse...'cause that one truly sucks!"
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Oh absolutely.

Look how quickly we wrapped things up in Afghanistan with our superior weaponry...
 
cabse5 said:
Look. 3leftsdoo is an anarchist. His goal is to rile everyone up...To be a troll. He trolls the right and the left.
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What have I done to inspire so much butthurt in so many... :confused:

I didn't date Kate Winslet IRL BTW - that was just a movie!
 
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snakestretcher said:
I tried explaining that attempting to fight an Apache gunship with a pop-gun isn't likely to end well for the pop-gun owner, and that Abrams rolling up Main Street isn't going to notice a few feeble bullets bouncing off it. Still, the righties persist in their fantasy of fighting a 'tyrannical government' and winning.
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Yup.

Afghanistan proves how poorly people fare when defending their land...
 
Perotista said:
I'd say we have a society problem. Pre-Gun control we had very little mass shootings. say between 1900-70 there were a total of 28. The decade I grew up in, 1950's there was just one and that was done by Puerto Rician Nationalist, more or less a terrorist group for independence by shooting 4 representatives in the House of Representatives.

Then society took a wrong turn, mass shootings increased to 13 in the 1970's, 32 in the 1980's, 42 in the 1990's, it dropped to 28 in the 2000's. Since 2010 we have had 150 plus.

Mass Shootings in America: A Historical Review - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I don't think this problem will be solved until we're willing to delve deep into our society to see where, how and why it went wrong. Banning guns doesn't do a single thing about the cause, the reason for all these mass shootings. It might take away a tool, but if the cause, the reason remains, these killers will turn to other means. Like bombs, knives, machetes, arson, fire, driving cars into crowds, chemicals etc. Unless we are willing to try to find the cause, the reason, banning guns won't work.

Banning guns is like treating a patient with a headache caused by brain tumor an aspirin. Sure it cures the headache for awhile, but the headache will return. It leaves the cause, the brain tumor in place. Such is gun control in my opinion. We as a society are unwilling to even try to find the root causes, reasons for all this killings. Perhaps we're afraid of what we might find? But mark my word, you can ban every single gun, but the killings will continue. Abet by other means, but they will continue until we are willing to try to find out the reasons and causes.
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Of course killings will continue, that isn't in dispute-and socio-economic inequality and deprivation are definitely a big part of the problem. However removing one element would certainly help to address the epidemic of mass shootings. It works in other countries, so why is America uniquely impotent?
 
snakestretcher said:
Of course killings will continue, that isn't in dispute-and socio-economic inequality and deprivation are definitely a big part of the problem. However removing one element would certainly help to address the epidemic of mass shootings. It works in other countries, so why is America uniquely impotent?
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Genuine mass shootings are INCREDIBLY rare.

The stabbing and acid attack crisis in England on the other hand...

:hm
 
Perotista said:
I'd say we have a society problem. Pre-Gun control we had very little mass shootings. say between 1900-70 there were a total of 28. The decade I grew up in, 1950's there was just one and that was done by Puerto Rician Nationalist, more or less a terrorist group for independence by shooting 4 representatives in the House of Representatives.

Then society took a wrong turn, mass shootings increased to 13 in the 1970's, 32 in the 1980's, 42 in the 1990's, it dropped to 28 in the 2000's. Since 2010 we have had 150 plus.

Mass Shootings in America: A Historical Review - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I don't think this problem will be solved until we're willing to delve deep into our society to see where, how and why it went wrong. Banning guns doesn't do a single thing about the cause, the reason for all these mass shootings. It might take away a tool, but if the cause, the reason remains, these killers will turn to other means. Like bombs, knives, machetes, arson, fire, driving cars into crowds, chemicals etc. Unless we are willing to try to find the cause, the reason, banning guns won't work.

Banning guns is like treating a patient with a headache caused by brain tumor an aspirin. Sure it cures the headache for awhile, but the headache will return. It leaves the cause, the brain tumor in place. Such is gun control in my opinion. We as a society are unwilling to even try to find the root causes, reasons for all this killings. Perhaps we're afraid of what we might find? But mark my word, you can ban every single gun, but the killings will continue. Abet by other means, but they will continue until we are willing to try to find out the reasons and causes.
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To suggest we should not even try what works in other countries makes no sense
 
snakestretcher said:
Of course killings will continue, that isn't in dispute-and socio-economic inequality and deprivation are definitely a big part of the problem. However removing one element would certainly help to address the epidemic of mass shootings. It works in other countries, so why is America uniquely impotent?
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Am I the only one that thinks this problem is much deeper than just guns? Why when there were no gun control laws at all, we didn't have this problem? I don't think we want to know the cause, we don't care. That some have a political agenda, whether that helps or not is irrelevant.

Sure, perhaps some additional gun control is needed. But it will be peeing into the wind unless we try to address what has happened to our society that produces these killers. 45 were killed and 58 injured in a bombing of a school in Michigan. More than any mass school shooting. 87 were killed in the Bronx in an arson fire set in a nightclub. Not to forget Oklahoma City Bombing, 168 dead, 680 injured. It could be if nothing is done about the reasons and causes of these mass killings, the shooter minus any firearm might find deadlier means.

Nah, banning guns will fix all of that. The big difference is pre 1970 most mass shootings were familicides and committed in a felony. The shooter knew whom he was killing. After 1970 the shooter doesn't know any of those he is killing, he is killing innocent bystanders in public places just for the sake of killing. Two complete different eras and two complete different mindsets on whom the killer is killing. Banning guns will take care all of that. Forget the reasons or where our society took a wrong turn, we certainly don't want to know that.
 
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