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Trump to open Tongas National Forest to minjng, logging and drilling

tres borrachos said:
I didn't vote for him, and I don't hate black people, like you do. I'm too smart to call him an Affirmative Action President because I know he beat McCain and Romney through an election process. Maybe you can go to your local 2nd grade civics class and learn how these things work.

Then you can ask forgiveness for your lie that he wasn't a law professor. But you won't. Your racism prevents you from being honest.

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You obviously don't know that Democrats consider ALL minorities and women to be recipients of Affirmative Action. I'm not the one who is demeaning women and minorities by declaring them unworthy of equality and requiring special government treatment, that would be the anti-American left. The true bigots of this nation, the Democratic Party. The fact that Obama is the very first Affirmative Action President really sticks in your craw, doesn't it? Your ilk created that reality, so now you have to live with it.

Obama was a guest speaker, and never a professor of any kind. Naturally, I don't expect the mentally-deranged left to ever be able to grasp reality. Which is why you always call those who expose you as a fraud "racist." It is all you have left, a grade-school insult without meaning.
 
Glitch said:
You obviously don't know that Democrats consider ALL minorities and women to be recipients of Affirmative Action. I'm not the one who is demeaning women and minorities by declaring them unworthy of equality and requiring special government treatment, that would be the anti-American left. The true bigots of this nation, the Democratic Party. The fact that Obama is the very first Affirmative Action President really sticks in your craw, doesn't it? You're ilk created that reality, so now you have to live with it.

Obama was a guest speaker, and never a professor of any kind. Naturally, I don't expect the mentally-deranged left to ever be able to grasp reality. Which is why you always call those who expose you as a fraud "racist." It is all you have left, a grade-school insult without meaning.
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I'm not a fraud who pretends to know what all Democrats think. Save that for the next Trump Fan Club meeting. You all can lie about him not being a law professor too. And complain that he's black.

Too bad you're so angry that a black man won the Presidency. It must suck to live in a world of racist anger.
 
Glitch said:
Consider the source. Furthermore, if you had actually read your own source you would have stumbled across this: I'll give you two guesses who was President in 2016, and the first two don't count.

You are obviously not old enough to remember that the timber industry in Alaska, particularly in the Tongas National Forest, was especially strong until Clinton killed the industry in the late 1990s. You are also obviously unaware that trees are a renewable resource. Alaska has been cutting trees from the Tongas National Forest for decades.
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How long does a tree take to grow from a sapling to commercially viable maturity?
 
Glitch said:
If you really want to go back to the beginning of the industrial revolution, there are many more trees today than existed then. Until the 20th century (around the 1920s to be more specific) the overwhelming majority of people cooked with wood-burning stoves. Since the 1920s forests in the US have increased by 380%.

The US has 8% of the total forests in the world, and reached a point in 1997 where growth exceeded harvest by 42%.

Source: North American Forest Commission
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Our old growth oak forests were decimated for ship building. They never grew back.

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snakestretcher said:
How long does a tree take to grow from a sapling to commercially viable maturity?
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That depends on the tree. As I previously pointed out they have already clear-cut islands for the second time since Alaska became a State in 1958. With the trees they are harvesting the growth rate is between 30 and 40 years. Which means that sometime around 2030 or 2040 those trees on those islands will be ready for their third harvest.
 
Glitch said:
ROFL! The Tongass National Forest in Alaska is NOT the Taiga Forest of Norway, Finland, Russia, and Siberia. But I'm not surprised that you can't tell the difference.
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He is being imprecise but not inaccurate. Tongass is part of the Tiaga biome, as is more than half of Canada and northern parts of lower USA. Because much of the biome is coniferous forest of various descriptions, it is loosely referred to as the Tiaga Forest. American usage tends to refer to this part as the Boreal Forest and the band between forest and tundra as Tiaga, but this is not standard elsewhere. Taiga - Wikipedia
 
Jay59 said:
In some cases 15 years.


You are making a big deal of old growth. To most people a forest is a forest and there is ample provision for wilderness in Togass. Why stress the distinction so hard?
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Old growth deciduous forest is where life exists. Closely planted conifers provide no light for undergrowth to flourish resulting in sterile soil and a lifeless, silent world devoid of animal life except in clearings and on the margins.
 
snakestretcher said:
Old growth deciduous forest is where life exists. Closely planted conifers provide no light for undergrowth to flourish resulting in sterile soil and a lifeless, silent world devoid of animal life.
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Many forms of natural forest provide insufficient light for undergrowth. Commercial planting is typically not close planted conifers unless thinning is planned. As I mentioned several times, biodiversity is standard practice in Washington, Oregon and Northern California commercial logging. Why do you assume it would not be followed in Alaska?
 
Jay59 said:
Many forms of natural forest provide insufficient light for undergrowth. Commercial planting is typically not close planted conifers unless thinning is planned. As I mentioned several times, biodiversity is standard practice in Washington, Oregon and Northern California commercial logging. Why do you assume it would not be followed in Alaska?
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Call me a cynic, but seldom do commerce and environmental concern make for happy bedfellows.
 
snakestretcher said:
Call me a cynic, but seldom do commerce and environmental concern make for happy bedfellows.
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It's the norm. The exceptions are newsworthy because they are exceptions.
 
Jay59 said:
It's the norm. The exceptions are newsworthy because they are exceptions.
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I read a lot actually. Remember Exxon Valdez, Torrey Canyon etc? Yes, I know they have nothing to do with forestry, but they are examples of commerce and the environment clashing to the detriment of the latter.
 
snakestretcher said:
I read a lot actually. Remember Exxon Valdez, Torrey Canyon etc? Yes, I know they have nothing to do with forestry, but they are examples of commerce and the environment clashing to the detriment of the latter.
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They are stories of exceptional situations as well.

The Valdez grounding was 30 years ago, yet we still use it as a cautionary tale.
 
Glitch said:
ROFL! The Tongass National Forest in Alaska is NOT the Taiga Forest of Norway, Finland, Russia, and Siberia. But I'm not surprised that you can't tell the difference.
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The Taiga/Boreal forest rings the globe South of the Arctic Circle; of which the Tongass is a part.

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Thanks for bumping the thread. :2wave:
 
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Irwin Corey said:
The Taiga/Boreal forest rings the globe South of the Arctic Circle; of which the Tongass is a part.

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Thanks for bumping the thread. :2wave:
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Consider the source. The Taiga and the Tongass are two distinctly different forests. They are both boreal forests, but that doesn't make them the same. It would be like claiming the tropical forests of India were the same as the tropical forests of the Amazon. They are both tropical forests, just not the same forest. The real shame is that you are not able to tell the difference. You undoubtedly think they are the same. Such is the horrendous state of education in the US.
 
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Consider the source. The Taiga and the Tongass are two distinctly different forests. They are both boreal forests, but that doesn't make them the same. It would be like claiming the tropical forests of India were the same as the tropical forests of the Amazon. They are both tropical forests, just not the same forest. The real shame is that you are not able to tell the difference. You undoubtedly think they are the same. Such is the horrendous state of education in the US.
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"the Tongass is an important part of the Boreal forest that rings the earth below the Artic Circle"

That's what I said, is that what you're so up in arms about. The "Tiaga/Boreal" Forests/Biome as the map I included indicates is a ring of forestS. I've provided supporting documentation. You've just been rudely critical. Why not provide backing evidence for your stance? Improve the horrendous state of education in the U.S. starting with yourself and edify us.
 
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Irwin Corey said:
"the Tongass is an important part of the Boreal forest that rings the earth below the Artic Circle"

That's what I said, is that what you're so up in arms about. The "Tiaga/Boreal" Forests/Biome as the map I included indicates is a ring of forestS. I've provided supporting documentation. You've just been rudely critical. Why not provide backing evidence for your stance? Improve the horrendous state of education in the U.S. starting with yourself and edify us.
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That isn't what you said. You called the Tongass the Tiaga, which is flat-out wrong. However, I naturally expect the mentally-deranged left to deliberately lie, even when their prior post demonstrates their lie. That is not particularly bright.
 
Glitch said:
That isn't what you said. You called the Tongass the Tiaga, which is flat-out wrong. However, I naturally expect the mentally-deranged left to deliberately lie, even when their prior post demonstrates their lie. That is not particularly bright.
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I cut and pasted that --> "the Tongass is an important part of the Boreal forest that rings the earth below the Artic Circle"

from your post #97 in which you were replying to my post #52.<--period

Go check for yourself. I think you got into too much of a hurry to put down a lefty. I'm pretty sure I never said the Tongss is the Tiaga, if you find that I did … I was in error. You just love to be rude to lefties. I guess reading comprehension is part of what's wrong with our educational system.

And again, thanks for bumping the thread.
 
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Irwin Corey said:
The Taiga/Boreal forest rings the globe South of the Arctic Circle; of which the Tongass is a part.
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Irwin Corey said:
I cut and pasted that --> "the Tongass is an important part of the Boreal forest that rings the earth below the Artic Circle"

from your post #97 in which you were replying to my post #52.<--period

Go check for yourself. I think you got into too much of a hurry to put down a lefty. I'm pretty sure I never said the Tongss is the Tiaga, if you find that I did … I was in error. You just love to be rude to lefties. I guess reading comprehension is part of what's wrong with our educational system.

And again, thanks for bumping the thread.
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Continuing to lie when your post is available for everyone to see is not particularly smart. Then posting something completely different from what you actually said tells me that your grip on reality is extremely tenuous, at best.

I'm glad to bump the thread to demonstrate just how mentally deranged the left truly are.
 
Glitch said:
Continuing to lie when your post is available for everyone to see is not particularly smart. Then posting something completely different from what you actually said tells me that your grip on reality is extremely tenuous, at best.

I'm glad to bump the thread to demonstrate just how mentally deranged the left truly are.
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Where is the lie, except from you. The Tongass is part of the Taiga/Boreal Biome/Forest. AND IF you go to the posts I referenced you will see that indeed I did cut and past the quote: "the Tongass is an important part of the Boreal forest that rings the earth below the Artic Circle" from those posts. You sir are the liar, as this screen shot proves.

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