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If the right would like to defend trump as not a supplicant to Putin, you can do so here.

He posts the same pictures and makes the same dumb arguments in every thread. Those shirts were an obvious joke. BUt apparently, along with their sense of reason, TDS has destroyed the lefts sense of humor as well.

I have seen a bunch of post from him with the very same picture and every time he gets called out he simply goes to another thread to post the very same thing thinking nobody will see it.

It's that same common denominator thinking from Liberals. Post it enough times and maybe it will come true. Pretty damn funny though.

It must really have hurt his feewings to go through so much effort to re-post it over and over. Hilarious.
 
He posts the same pictures and makes the same dumb arguments in every thread. Those shirts were an obvious joke. BUt apparently, along with their sense of reason, TDS has destroyed the lefts sense of humor as well.

LOL, you're talking out of your conservative hindparts, again.

You have no clue as to the motivation behind those shirts. You're a Trump acolyte, which means you are incapable of rational political debate. You don't know the difference between facts and opinions. In the minds of Trump acolytes, "facts" are things that agree with or support their personal biases and opinions. Everything else is "fake news" to you people.

But there are some FACTS about the GOPers and Russia that we can look to.

What we do know...FOR A FACT....is since the fall of the USSR, polls have consistently shown an almost equal favorable/unfavorable views about Russia among Democratic and Republican voters (within a couple of points, either way). But today, polls show that more than 40% of Republicans hold favorable views of Russia and/or Vladamir Putin. And about 40% of all Gopers say they would welcome Russian interference in the next election, if it helps Trump win. Those numbers are more than twice as high as the numbers for Democrats. And this is the first time ever that support for Russia varied along party lines in this country.

Polling editor: Increased support for Russia among Republicans is 'disturbing' | TheHill

Republicans More Positive on Russia

40% of those who tend to vote Republican don'''t object [Video]

So let's not waste time with your OPINIONS about the motivations of Trump acolytes dressed in pro-Russia regalia. The FACTS show that 2 out of every 5 Gopers hold pro-Russia/pro-Putin sentiments.

And THAT...is not arguble.
 
LOL, you're talking out of your conservative hindparts, again.

You have no clue as to the motivation behind those shirts.
Nor do you. But it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the shirts were meant to mock the phony Russia collusion narrative that your dishonest side was pushing.
 
Do you understand why the G7 (then G8) was created in the first place? What was/is it's purpose?

When Russia was invited, it was an emerging democracy with an expanding and increasingly diverse economy that the rest of the western world wanted to encourage to continue in that direction. Russia in no longer a democracy. It's economy is no longer diverse or expanding. AND....it invaded and annexed another European country...in DIRECT VIOLATION of international law. The Internatinal Criminal Court ruled it a crime and lists the Russian government along with the likes of Iraq, Afghanistan, Columbia, Niger, etc. as a criminal regime.g

So, given the fact that Russia is no longer a demcracy (like every other G7 member)........and given the fact that Russia's economy is smaller than several other countries, including India (which also has nuclear weapons)...and given the fact that Russia is STILL illegally occupying Crimea...and given the fact that Russia is now KNOWN to have been actively interfering in the democratic elections of every other G7 country.....WHY would ANYONE (much less an ignorant dolt like Donald Trump) who considers himself to be a patriotic American argue in favor of re-inviting Russia into the G7 right now?

Trump isn't even suggesting that Russia MIGHT be readmitted to the G8 if they leave Crimea and stop attacking the U.S. election system/processes. That would be a reasonable negotiation. But Trump is offering to bring Putin/Russia back into the world community without any concessions at all. That's just PATHETIC appeasement.
And Russia is punished how by not being in G7? I think you missed my point.
 
Like it or not, Russia is a nuclear power and a major oil producer. To not attempt to establish a good working relationship with Russia would be irresponsible and potentially destructive to American interests. There is only one way to establish a good working relationship with Russia at the current time, and that's to go through Putin. We are not going to get a good relationship with Putin by alienating him.

What a weak, cowardly stance. If someone kills your neighbor and moves into his house, would you bring him a nice housewarming gift in order to "establish a good working relationship" too?
 
I don't see anything in that desperate set of half-arguments that benefits the US. It is nice watching the puppets dance though. Party over country, eh?
Ignorance over debate, eh?
 
Nor do you. But it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the shirts were meant to mock the phony Russia collusion narrative that your dishonest side was pushing.

Nice (and typical) of you to ignore the FACTS of my previous post. But the FACT is that 40% of people like you hold favorable opinions of Putin and Russia. So persisting with the idea that their shirts were clearly "jokes" is just plain silly of you.

But if I was you...and I knew the FACTS destroy my personal biases....I might try to dodge them, too....I suppose.

You run from facts like vampires run from daylight. :lamo

Speaking people with "half a brain"....the whole "collusion thing" was thoroughly documented and confirmed by Mueller.
 
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Pres. Putin represents the Russian federal government, the nation of Russia, and all Russian citizens. Excluding him from the G-8 is excluding Russia from the G-8.

Would you approve of America (and all of her international and domestic interests) being excluded from the G-8 because of the objectionable conduct of Pres. Trump? Do you believe the exclusion would cause Pres. Trump to amend his behaviour? Bolster American sentiment for international cooperation? Benefit American citizens and American businesses?

Why not exclude China from the G-20? Chairman Xi is the chief architect of China's 'Hanification' policy, having kidnapped, murdered, or disappeared millions of Uyghur Muslims. The number of Chinese citizens of all backgrounds (including journalists) disappeared over the past decade totals in the millions. There are NGOs and international organizations devoted to the issue. This is to say nothing about Chinese aggression towards Japan (a G-7 member) and Taiwan.

So ask you again: why not exclude China from the G-20? As well as Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, and Indonesia--until the big Western economies see satisfactory improvement in their human rights records? Surely the same logic applies as for the G-8: kick them out as an incentive to approve.

The G-8 was conceived as a group of powerful Western nations. Like it or not, Russia is a powerful Western nation with close business and economic ties to every other powerful Western nation. The purpose of summits like the G-8 and the G-20 is to foster trade and economic cooperation. Until 2014, the purpose was never to punish bad actors via exclusion. If it was, there would be no G-20, there would eventually be no G-7, and the summits might as well not even exist.

Pres. Putin may be an iron-fisted dictator, but the Russian people aren't evil. They don't deserve to live in global isolation because of their leader, and even if they did, isolating them is only making the problem worse. If Pres. Trump wants them readmitted to the G-8, more power to him. If he gets his way, it'll be one of the few positive things he's accomplished to date.

Russia isn't suspended from the G8 because of its human rights record. It is suspended because it annexed Crimea. If the U.S. annexed Mexico with military force, then I would expect it to be expelled from the G7 as well.
 
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And Russia is punished how by not being in G7? I think you missed my point.

Again, you force me to ask....do you know why the G7 exists? Do you understand its purpose?

Answer those questions and you'll have answers to your own question.
 
Again, you force me to ask....do you know why the G7 exists? Do you understand its purpose?

Answer those questions and you'll have answers to your own question.

Nice dodge - got nothing, eh?
 
Nice dodge - got nothing, eh?

Like a typical Trump acolyte, you don't like to do your own reseach. Hell, you don't like to read very much, either, huh?

Oh well. I guess it's asking to much to expect Trump supporters to support U.S. interests over Russia's, these days.

Don't ask any more questions if you're not prepared to answer a few in return. It's called "open dialogue". You people should give it a try more often.
 
Nice (and typical) of you to ignore the FACTS of my previous post. But the FACT is that 40% of people like you hold favorable opinions of Putin and Russia. So persisting with the idea that their shirts were clearly "jokes" is just plain silly of you.

But if I was you...and I knew the FACTS destroy my personal biases....I might try to dodge them, too....I suppose.

You run from facts like vampires run from daylight. :lamo

Speaking people with "half a brain"....the whole "collusion thing" was thoroughly documented and confirmed by Mueller.

The shirts were an attempt a humor. That you are a humorless, hate filled leftist is your problem, not mine. What facts did I run from? I simply ignored most of what you wrote because the first part was so stupid. If you actually wrote something intelligent in there, maybe next time you will lead with it.
 
Russia isn't suspended from the G8 because of its human rights record. It is suspended because it annexed Crimea. If the U.S. annexed Mexico with military force, then I would expect it to be expelled from the G7 as well.

Maybe your example with get through to the reactionaries about the actual reason why Russia was kicked out.

Since then, Putin attacked our country, helping Don along the way in 16'. What's even worst is Don's refusal to make his cult understand why Russia's attack on the foundation of our Democracy is so dangerous, coupled with his refusal to defend the 20' election from an even more effective attack...
 

Evelyn Farkas??? LOL!!

Now THERE'S a name I haven't heard in a while.

She's lucky she's a small fry or she might be finding herself testifying in front of a grand jury. Of course, it might still happen to her.

Evelyn Farkas’s Six Revelations about Obama, Trump, and the Deep State

You'll excuse me, I'm sure, when I say that she is about as credible as a three dollar whore.
 
Russia isn't suspended from the G8 because of its human rights record. It is suspended because it annexed Crimea. If the U.S. annexed Mexico with military force, then I would expect it to be expelled from the G7 as well.
Do you know why Russia chose that cosmic moment in time to annex Crimea? Apart from 97% of the Crimean population approving of it?

It's a story of two men: mean, tyrannical Mr. Putin McBear, and kindly old Mr. Sam Bull, also known as Uncle Sam.

Mr. McBear owned a naval port on land on the coast of the Black Sea belonging to Mr. U. Crane. It was a naval port called Sevastopol, of tremendous strategic and economic importance to Mr. McBear, as well as being his lifeline to Turkey, the Middle East, Southern Europe, and (via trade) the rest of the world. Because of its importance, in 1997 Mr. McBear had agreed to pay Mr. Crane $100 million a year, and to sell him cheap gas, until 2017 when the two neighbours would renegotiate the deal.

However, there was one problem. Mr. Crane very, very much wanted to join the neighbourhood Big Boys Club called "NATO". And in charge of NATO (in all but name) was none other than kindly old Uncle Sam, who despite being kindly, positively despised Mr. McBear for thwarting Sam's ongoing attempts to throw McBear's near neighbour, Mr. C. Ria, into anarchy and chaos (for the noblest of reasons, I assure you).

Uncle Sam, being a shrewd man, approached Mr. Crane in secret in 2010 with a deal: "You want into the Big Boys Club, right? You know what would make you look really worth letting into the club? If you were to... say... tell Mr. McBear to shove his naval base where the sun don't shine when it comes time to renew it in 2017. It would cripple his lifelines for years, cost him tens--maybe hundreds--of billions to rebuild or relocate his assets, and most importantly, severely impair his ability to help Mr. C. Ria if... oh, say... somebody were to foment all-out civil war there... for the noblest of reasons. You can say you're doing it for peace and love. I don't care. Just screw McBear over or you can forget about joining the Club."

Mr. Crane did think it over, but fortunately had a wife, Ms. Parliament Crane, who ruled the roost. She realized that screwing over Mr. McBear was a terrible idea and agreed to renew the lease until 2042 by unanimous vote in the Kharkiv Pact in 2010.

But kindly old Uncle Sam, being the kindly old soul he was, wouldn't be defeated so easily. Old Sam had a lot of money, and a lot of political influence, and more experience than anyone else in the world at stirring up revolution, contention, hatred, and discontent. So, quietly behind the scenes, that kindly old Sam started stirring up as much crap as he could in Mr. Crane's yard. Maybe he couldn't get mean Mr. McBear to give up his base, but he could certainly pressure Mr. Crane to make life hell for McBear to use it. And, little by little, Mr. Crane gave in. He started threatening to renege on the lease agreement, imposing frivolous restrictions, crippling naval traffic, desperately hoping to appease kind Sam and stave off brewing political revolution. By 2014, old Sam was certain he was on his way to driving McBear out of Sevastopol.

Only he'd miscalculated. He didn't realize that McBear--an iron-fisted, strategic-minded man who well understood Sevastopol's importance and also knew perfectly well what Sam was doing--might not take Sam's s__t lying down like so many North African countries during the "Arab Spring". No, that nasty McBear did what only a nasty, power-crazed man would do with so much on the line: he said, "Eff you, U. Crane. Eff you, Uncle Sam. The people around Sevastopol want to live in my house anyway. Screw your lease. I now declare Crimea a part of the McBear yard. If you don't like it: nuke me."

Kindly old Sam wasn't used to this. A nation standing up to his s__t in the 21st Century? The nerve! What if other nations started standing up to his s__t (that he stirred up in them for their own good)?

But kindly Sam wasn't without allies. Oh no. He wasn't without influence. "Mr. McBear is evil! Throw him out of the G-8 market!" he cried in the Town Hall. "He's evil! Don't buy anything from him or sell anything to him!" He cried in all the newspapers. "He's evil! Don't lend money to him! Don't let him come to PTA meetings!" He cried to the banks and the grocers and the schools. And most of the people who lived on the west side of the street with old Sam did as he said. Not because Sam was wealthy, influential, and the de facto king of everything on the street, but because he was so noble and kindly, and that mean Mr. McBear certainly wasn't very nice.

So there you have it: the reason Russia is no longer in the G-8.

If Uncle Sam wants to let them back in, more power to him.
 
Do you know why Russia chose that cosmic moment in time to annex Crimea? Apart from 97% of the Crimean population approving of it?

It's a story of two men: mean, tyrannical Mr. Putin McBear, and kindly old Mr. Sam Bull, also known as Uncle Sam.

Mr. McBear owned a naval port on land on the coast of the Black Sea belonging to Mr. U. Crane. It was a naval port called Sevastopol, of tremendous strategic and economic importance to Mr. McBear, as well as being his lifeline to Turkey, the Middle East, Southern Europe, and (via trade) the rest of the world. Because of its importance, in 1997 Mr. McBear had agreed to pay Mr. Crane $100 million a year, and to sell him cheap gas, until 2017 when the two neighbours would renegotiate the deal.

However, there was one problem. Mr. Crane very, very much wanted to join the neighbourhood Big Boys Club called "NATO". And in charge of NATO (in all but name) was none other than kindly old Uncle Sam, who despite being kindly, positively despised Mr. McBear for thwarting Sam's ongoing attempts to throw McBear's near neighbour, Mr. C. Ria, into anarchy and chaos (for the noblest of reasons, I assure you).

Uncle Sam, being a shrewd man, approached Mr. Crane in secret in 2010 with a deal: "You want into the Big Boys Club, right? You know what would make you look really worth letting into the club? If you were to... say... tell Mr. McBear to shove his naval base where the sun don't shine when it comes time to renew it in 2017. It would cripple his lifelines for years, cost him tens--maybe hundreds--of billions to rebuild or relocate his assets, and most importantly, severely impair his ability to help Mr. C. Ria if... oh, say... somebody were to foment all-out civil war there... for the noblest of reasons. You can say you're doing it for peace and love. I don't care. Just screw McBear over or you can forget about joining the Club."

Mr. Crane did think it over, but fortunately had a wife, Ms. Parliament Crane, who ruled the roost. She realized that screwing over Mr. McBear was a terrible idea and agreed to renew the lease until 2042 by unanimous vote in the Kharkiv Pact in 2010.

But kindly old Uncle Sam, being the kindly old soul he was, wouldn't be defeated so easily. Old Sam had a lot of money, and a lot of political influence, and more experience than anyone else in the world at stirring up revolution, contention, hatred, and discontent. So, quietly behind the scenes, that kindly old Sam started stirring up as much crap as he could in Mr. Crane's yard. Maybe he couldn't get mean Mr. McBear to give up his base, but he could certainly pressure Mr. Crane to make life hell for McBear to use it. And, little by little, Mr. Crane gave in. He started threatening to renege on the lease agreement, imposing frivolous restrictions, crippling naval traffic, desperately hoping to appease kind Sam and stave off brewing political revolution. By 2014, old Sam was certain he was on his way to driving McBear out of Sevastopol.

Only he'd miscalculated. He didn't realize that McBear--an iron-fisted, strategic-minded man who well understood Sevastopol's importance and also knew perfectly well what Sam was doing--might not take Sam's s__t lying down like so many North African countries during the "Arab Spring". No, that nasty McBear did what only a nasty, power-crazed man would do with so much on the line: he said, "Eff you, U. Crane. Eff you, Uncle Sam. The people around Sevastopol want to live in my house anyway. Screw your lease. I now declare Crimea a part of the McBear yard. If you don't like it: nuke me."

Kindly old Sam wasn't used to this. A nation standing up to his s__t in the 21st Century? The nerve! What if other nations started standing up to his s__t (that he stirred up in them for their own good)?

But kindly Sam wasn't without allies. Oh no. He wasn't without influence. "Mr. McBear is evil! Throw him out of the G-8 market!" he cried in the Town Hall. "He's evil! Don't buy anything from him or sell anything to him!" He cried in all the newspapers. "He's evil! Don't lend money to him! Don't let him come to PTA meetings!" He cried to the banks and the grocers and the schools. And most of the people who lived on the west side of the street with old Sam did as he said. Not because Sam was wealthy, influential, and the de facto king of everything on the street, but because he was so noble and kindly, and that mean Mr. McBear certainly wasn't very nice.

So there you have it: the reason Russia is no longer in the G-8.

If Uncle Sam wants to let them back in, more power to him.

A nice story. But annexation is annexation. If you're bullied to the point of exasperation and you stalk and murder your bully in cold blood, you still go to jail no matter how sympathetic your reasons may be. Russia does not belong in the G7.
 
A nice story. But annexation is annexation. If you're bullied to the point of exasperation and you stalk and murder your bully in cold blood, you still go to jail no matter how sympathetic your reasons may be. Russia does not belong in the G7.
I guess so.

As long as we're not deluding ourselves on the circumstances.
 
Like a typical Trump acolyte, you don't like to do your own reseach. Hell, you don't like to read very much, either, huh?

Oh well. I guess it's asking to much to expect Trump supporters to support U.S. interests over Russia's, these days.

Don't ask any more questions if you're not prepared to answer a few in return. It's called "open dialogue". You people should give it a try more often.
Sorry, no. The bull**** you peddle isn't "open dialog", it's mindless blather. A sure sign of a person who's nowhere near as smart or as clever as he thinks he is.
 
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