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Does Jean Cramer of Michigan represent what the USA is now?

Condor060 said:
Relax, Nobody in their right mind is going to support that idiot. What is she, a throw back from the 60s? Neither Democrats or Republicans will put this dumb ass in office.
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Yeah. That's why the Republican party has run the racist Southern Strategy for over 1/2 a century. That's why Trump gained street cred with many of his supporters by leading the racist Birther Movement.

Because racism won't sell? What's next, you're going to tell us Santa Claus is real?
 
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Condor060 said:
It is on video but lying Liberals love to cut off the part where Trump says he isn't talking about the Nazi's or the White Supremacist. I guess you just decided to overlook that part. Here is the actual words used by Trump.

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.

Lying Liberals do what they do. Take words out of context just to run hate pieces. Everyone knows it and just love when these are repeated over and over. So please continue. It only draws more Independents and centered Democrats toward Trump.

If you can't be trusted on the small things, how do you expect anyone to trust you on larger issues?
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he said it, then he walked it back, and then he walked back the walk back, just like he does with everything.
 
Helix said:
he said it, then he walked it back, and then he walked back the walk back, just like he does with everything.
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Oh really, Prove it. Then you can explain how Trumps daughter and grandchildren are Jewish and how Trump loves Nazi's. I'll wait right here.
 
HumblePi said:
This is not only shocking to me, it makes me feel sick to my stomach because I understand that many will see this women from Michigan, Jean Cramer, and agree with her. They will nod their head as she speaks and think to themselves, "yes, she's right".



After her statement in the city council, Jean Cramer was interviewed outside her home.

Jean Cramer: Marysville candidate plans to remain in race after racist comments
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This is why they are called deplorables.

Because they are deplorable.
 
JustHanging said:
Yeah. That's why the Republican party has run the racist Southern Strategy for over 1/2 a century. That's why Trump gained street cred with many of his supporters by leading the racist Birther Movement.

Because racism won't sell? What's next, you're going to tell us Santa Claus is real?
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Wow, You really are delusional. Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know how to address you.

How about you provide all the names of all these Democrats that changed over to Republicans as portrayed by this Southern Stratify myth. I'll give you a heads up. Only one.

Then you can explain how asking a president for his birth certificate became racist. Heres another heads up, you can't.

You need to go sell your bulls**t to another drunk Liberal on the Liberal Koolaide train cuz you ain't selling none of that BS here.
 
Helix said:
you won't have to wait long.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?noredirect=on

now it's time for the deflection that i won't read. peace.
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This is another good one. (Credit to Pamak for doing the research and finding this.) It debunks PragerU's defence of Trump statement by statement. ("PragerU" is debunked by everyone. The main host Dennis Prager constantly lies and deceives. No surprise he likes and defends Trump. See Mr. Deity for the best and most thorough debunking. Mr. Deity used to be Dennis Prager's friend in RL.)

 
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JustHanging said:
Trump cares more about himself, and his goals, than anyone or anything else. How have you not figured that out yet?

Trump Foundation Will Dissolve, Accused of ‘Shocking Pattern of Illegality’ - The New York Times

More lies. That was over a year ago. Nothing but crickets now as per usual. No investigation, no charges, no accusations.

$25 million settlement finalized in Trump University lawsuit
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How does this relate to Trump hating his own daughter and grand children. THis is all you got? lol

I thought you were going to prove that Trump walked back his comments. He stated he wasn't talking about the Nazi's or White Supremacist. You said he walked that back. I said prove it. Are you going to?
 
Helix said:
he said it, then he walked it back, and then he walked back the walk back, just like he does with everything.
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The only thing being walked back is your comments. lol
 
HumblePi said:
This is not only shocking to me, it makes me feel sick to my stomach because I understand that many will see this women from Michigan, Jean Cramer, and agree with her. They will nod their head as she speaks and think to themselves, "yes, she's right".



After her statement in the city council, Jean Cramer was interviewed outside her home.

Jean Cramer: Marysville candidate plans to remain in race after racist comments
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'Always it's Sameness that dominates! People favor friendships with those of similar backgrounds, interests & values. Despite a few exceptions
the urge is almost universal, it's human nature!' You're swimming up stream not to acknowledge human nature, the eternal enemy of all utopians.

Jimmy Carter himself defended ethnic enclaves formed by free association & pledged not to use federal power to re-engineer them.
'I am not going to use the Government's authority to deliberately circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in
'ETHNICALLY HOMOGENOUS NEIGHBORHOODS.'
 
slick said:
'Always it's Sameness that dominates! People favor friendships with those of similar backgrounds, interests & values. Despite a few exceptions
the urge is almost universal, it's human nature!' You're swimming up stream not to acknowledge human nature, the eternal enemy of all utopians.

Jimmy Carter himself defended ethnic enclaves formed by free association & pledged not to use federal power to re-engineer them.
'I am not going to use the Government's authority to deliberately circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in
'ETHNICALLY HOMOGENOUS NEIGHBORHOODS.'
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I don't get the connection between living in a primarily white neighborhood or town with being prejudiced against Black people. Jimmy Carter took that opinion nearly 44 years ago, times were much different then. Jimmy Carter was a white man from Georgia and despite the passage of federal civil rights legislation, public facilities in Georgia and throughout the region remained segregated in many areas well into the 1970s.

Of course, people befriend or grow up with people that have similar socioeconomic backgrounds and unless they're living in a urban neighborhood and the greater population of their neighborhood may be more ethnically integrated, it will still be predominantly Black and Hispanic ethnicities. I don't believe that growing up in a small town or a more suburban environment is what makes one racially prejudiced. But that in itself, is one of the problems we may never overcome.

The minorities that live in inner cities under lower economic circumstances are less likely to move out of those economically depressed areas of the city than whites under the same economic circumstances. The black ghetto now takes for granted that it is defined not only by racial composition but also by concentrated poverty.
 
Condor060 said:
Wow, You really are delusional. Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know how to address you.

How about you provide all the names of all these Democrats that changed over to Republicans as portrayed by this Southern Stratify myth. I'll give you a heads up. Only one.

Then you can explain how asking a president for his birth certificate became racist. Heres another heads up, you can't.

You need to go sell your bulls**t to another drunk Liberal on the Liberal Koolaide train cuz you ain't selling none of that BS here.
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Conservatives still deny the Southern strategy despite its very obvious and well-documented history. It wasn't a 'myth' at all and used by Richard Nixon's campaign in order to appeal to Conservative Democrats after they were “stabbed in the back” by the northern and western wings of their own party. But Nixon and his people (ie: Atwater, Manafort and Stone) did not know southern politics, and the stratagem went nowhere.

How many former U.S. presidents have been hounded and badgered to publicly display their original birth certificate? There's just one that I know of and he just happens to be a Black man. Is that just a coincidence? Of course it wasn't. It was 100% unadulterated racism. If it was mandatory that every candidate running for the presidency be required to publicly produce their birth certificate, then no, that would not be racist. But when the only Black candidate in US history was slandered and maligned until he was basically forced to prove who he was, it's clear racial bias and bigotry.
 
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HumblePi said:
Conservatives still deny the Southern strategy despite its very obvious and well-documented history. It wasn't a 'myth' at all and used by Richard Nixon's campaign in order to appeal to Conservative Democrats after they were “stabbed in the back” by the northern and western wings of their own party. But Nixon and his people (ie: Atwater, Manafort and Stone) did not know southern politics, and the stratagem went nowhere.
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Of course Cons deny there is a Southern Strategy. Even though Lee Atwater, the #1 Republican strategist in the 70's and 80's, laid it all out. But facts mean little to Cons nowadays.

Republican strategist Lee Atwater discussed the Southern Strategy in a 1981 interview later published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis.[57][58][59][60]

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 [...] and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

Southern strategy - Wikipedia
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Of course Cons deny there is a Southern Strategy. Even though Lee Atwater, the #1 Republican strategist in the 70's and 80's, laid it all out. But facts mean little to Cons nowadays.

Republican strategist Lee Atwater discussed the Southern Strategy in a 1981 interview later published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis.[57][58][59][60]

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 [...] and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

Southern strategy - Wikipedia
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I actually remember Lee Atwater quite well from the 80's. I also know that he died of the same type of brain cancer as John McCain and Bo Biden. At the end, being very ill and close to death, Lee Atwater suddenly found his conscience and sought redemption by attempting to right the wrongs he had been doing all his life and asking for God's forgiveness.
 
HumblePi said:
Conservatives still deny the Southern strategy despite its very obvious and well-documented history. It wasn't a 'myth' at all and used by Richard Nixon's campaign in order to appeal to Conservative Democrats after they were “stabbed in the back” by the northern and western wings of their own party. But Nixon and his people (ie: Atwater, Manafort and Stone) did not know southern politics, and the stratagem went nowhere.
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Fine, then list the names of these 200 Democrats that became Republicans. Thats all I ask. Should be simple to find. Shouldn't it. I tell you what, I'll even make it easier, just list 10. Without a list of Democrats that joined the Republican ranks during this Southern Strategy, you have no Southern Strategy.

The Southern Strategy was only cooked by Democrats to distance themselves from their own racial history and voting against Blacks in this country. I can't wait to hear this excuse as to why you can't come up with the names of all these Democrats who turned Republican as I GUARANTEE you won't provide any.

How many former U.S. presidents have been hounded and badgered to publicly display their original birth certificate? There's just one that I know of and he just happens to be a Black man. Is that just a coincidence? Of course it wasn't. It was 100% unadulterated racism.
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Heres a clue for Liberals to learn from. If you put any other race in the equation and it isn't racist, then it wasn't racist in the first place. You don't get to make up what is racist and what isn't.

If it was mandatory that every candidate running for the presidency be required to publicly produce their birth certificate, then no, that would not be racist. But when the only Black candidate in US history was slandered and maligned until he was basically forced to prove who he was, it's clear racial bias and bigotry.
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First off it is a requirement to be a US citizen to be president of the US and with the scrubbing of Obama's historical records and his own brother saying he wasn't born in the US, it would make sense to ask the question. But heres another one for you. What if Obama was asked to produce records that are not required to be president and have nothing to do with his presidency? Lets say like a tax return. Oh the hypocrisy.
 
slick said:
'Always it's Sameness that dominates! People favor friendships with those of similar backgrounds, interests & values. Despite a few exceptions
the urge is almost universal, it's human nature!' You're swimming up stream not to acknowledge human nature, the eternal enemy of all utopians.

Jimmy Carter himself defended ethnic enclaves formed by free association & pledged not to use federal power to re-engineer them.
'I am not going to use the Government's authority to deliberately circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in
'ETHNICALLY HOMOGENOUS NEIGHBORHOODS.'
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There is a huge difference between something done through voluntary choice and something that is enforced through law, or through intimidation and other means meant to keep or push people out
 
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