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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I have used Google and by this time you have hopefully done so as well. How, exactly, is it baiting to ask you for the China trade policy positions of your prreferred replacements for Trump? Rather than argue that Biden's (what, me worry?) policy is better than Trump's (or Warren's) impose tariifs to force better 'fair trade' complaince by China you reply with some "baiting" nonsense instead. I get it that you feel required to join into any "Trump is doing/saying someting wrong" thread but at least address the topic (in this case tariffs on Chinese imports) instead of simply spewing Biden or Warren would be better in 2021.
    I'm not going to sit here and explain to you why Trump's impulsive and incoherent non strategy is objectively worse than anything his opponents propose. If you can't see it on your own, you're way past the point of being worth a conversation on the issue.

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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    No, he's not doing it like a bull in a china shop, he's doing it like a retarded gangbanger on crack.
    And NO, experts aren't advising him for one simple reason: Donald Trump NEVER listens to anyone, except those who kowtow and genuflect to him.
    If you disagree with Trump, you are INSTANTLY and IRREVOCABLY SHUT OUT, and BRANDED.

    There is no "guiding" Donald Trump, there's only bare, raw sycophancy and groveling.
    Donald Trump's "advisers" are a pack of Flying Yes Men, nothing more.

    LOL, I missed that part where Captain Adverse was blaming Trump's SNAFUs on the experts not trying to give him advice. That's really funny.

    Some have tried, and more would be there in a minute if he was interested. Sure, most competent people now know better than to join his administration, but it wasn't always so. And even now they could help without joining the administration, but he doesn't want advice. He knows more than all the experts, don't you know.

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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You think China is the only country that 'plays games?' You think our corporations don't do super shady **** in developing nations? The horrible effects of globalized corporatism is not localized to a single country.
    This is the central problem that Trump misses.

    China didn't steal any jobs from our country. The CEO's that run major corporations here simply gave them way, so they could save some bucks for a fatter bottom line.

    Obviously, the Chinese are not going to turn away work that is exported to them. The source of this problem is Wall St, where exploiting sweatshop labor has become a pastime. The government should withdraw all corporate welfare for those companies that exploit sweatshop labor, but of course, we all know Trump won't do that.

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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    I'm not going to sit here and explain to you why Trump's impulsive and incoherent non strategy is objectively worse than anything his opponents propose. If you can't see it on your own, you're way past the point of being worth a conversation on the issue.
    The argument that what you see Trump doing is confusing and upsetting you so you'll just assume someone else would do better is not worth debating either. Warren would likely do much the same (make China play by the rules), yet professes that she would do it more slowly and seek more consensus along the way. What Biden would do (if anything) is anyone's guess since it changes quite often and lacks much detail (much the same as what you claim Trump is doing).

    Elizabeth Warren Vows to Make Trade Negotiations More Transparent - WSJ
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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    LOL, I missed that part where Captain Adverse was blaming Trump's SNAFUs on the experts not trying to give him advice. That's really funny.

    Some have tried, and more would be there in a minute if he was interested. Sure, most competent people now know better than to join his administration, but it wasn't always so. And even now they could help without joining the administration, but he doesn't want advice. He knows more than all the experts, don't you know.
    The biggest problem that the Mad Hatter doesn't seem to get is that this problem can't be solved in four years, and trying to solve it in that amount of time is how we'll wreck the economy. It took four decades to get to this point and it will take a generation to come back.

    Take the tax cuts as an example. There was a perfect opportunity for Trump to make progress. He had a carrot on a stick, from which he could create policy. The tax cuts should have been given to corporations that manufacture here in the states, so as to incentivise them to do more business here if they want the tax cuts.

    Another approach (I already mentioned) would be to pull government contracts and subsidies of corporations that exploit sweatshop labor, and give those contracts to ones that pledge to do business at home, where jobs could be created for local communities.

    Tariffs are a tool. I have no problem with them being used, but they must be used in a way that targets major corruption, such as products that are made in inhumane sweatshops, instead of broad, sweeping tariffs that affect a large fraction of the overall economy.

    That's the problem with this WH. There's no strategy to anything. Just reality tv meltdowns and man-tantrums, that are all done on impulse and on Twitter.

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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    ...but that's because "enlightened folks" like all those "experts" you cite refuse to cooperate, compromise, or even TRY to give him guidance.
    Borrowed (stolen?)

    "Trade wars are good and easy to win."

    "Nobody knows more about trade than me."

    “Nobody knows more about taxes than me, maybe in the history of the world.”

    “Nobody’s ever been more successful than me.”

    “I understand money better than anybody. I understand it far better than Hillary, and I’m way up on the economy when it comes to questions on the economy,”

    "I think I know about the economy better than the Federal Reserve."



    Yeah, let's watch some goodhearted and educated people try to "give guidance" to the man who is quoted as having said ALL of the ABOVE.
    Captain, your orwellian blackwhite doublespeak would be entertaining if it didn't sound exactly like a Scientologist defending David Miscavige and there wasn't a Mrs. Miscavige being held hostage in the basement of the Gold Base.

    We, the American people, are Mrs. Miscavige, and you are defending Mister Miscavige even as the screams of his hostage wife grow shrill and unstoppable.
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    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The argument that what you see Trump doing is confusing and upsetting you so you'll just assume someone else would do better is not worth debating either. Warren would likely do much the same (make China play by the rules), yet professes that she would do it more slowly and seek more consensus along the way. What Biden would do (if anything) is anyone's guess since it changes quite often and lacks much detail (much the same as what you claim Trump is doing).

    Elizabeth Warren Vows to Make Trade Negotiations More Transparent - WSJ
    There are two problems with China.

    1. Intellectual Property rights, which is a shaky conversation, because our copyright laws are not their problem. This is largely something that cannot be solved. There isn't a solution for everything, deal with it already.

    2. Jobs being outsourced to China.

    As I've already explained, it's the CEO's and corporations that are giving the jobs away - China doesn't steal them. There are resolution to this that involve withdrawing corporate welfare to the worst US offenders in the private sector. That's doesn't solve the entire problem overnight, but it would be a major start. This IS what Warren and Sanders propose, and it's much more sensible than impulsive 'tariff by Tweet' policies.

    Tariffs should be on the table, but reserved for the worst offenses. Particularly, imports that are produced in inhuman child labor rings and whatnot. This is more responsible than targeting the entire Chinese economy, and wrecking our own to do it.

    Again, this doesn't solve the problem, but it would be a major start, and something the EU and other trade partners could get onboard with.

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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

    I don't think the republicans will ever say enough is enough, he has them mesmerized and fearful, they have no backbone or minds of their own anymore. Short talk about this on TV today, video in link.

    The trade war between the U.S. and China escalated Friday, as China announced new tariffs on $75 billion of American goods.

    President Trump tweeted in response that American companies were “ordered” to find alternatives to China and that he would increase tariffs on Chinese products.

    He also called Fed chair Jay Powell a U.S. "enemy." Judy Woodruff talks to The Washington Post’s Catherine Rampell.
    How trade war and Trump’s rhetoric are further unsettling the economy | PBS NewsHour
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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

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    Backfire effect When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.
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    Re: Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war

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    Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war



    Oh goody. That will bring China to heel.

    This is getting actually scary.


    How much more of this will Republicans let him do before they agree to impeachment or say it's time to trigger the 25th Amendment?
    Meh, the American people can afford it...I mean....the economy and so on.
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