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ttwtt78640 said:
I agree, but it is not reasonable to oppose increased law enforcement simply because some moron, currently in office, is spewing rhetorical nonsense.
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I mostly agree.

The problem is when our enforcement is framed in such xenophobic terms that it might be used as propaganda to increase recruitment by the very people that we're being told to fear, and increase fear and vulnerability in people such as the Central Americans who are most vulnerable to being exploited by dangerous elements.
 
KLATTU said:
Whoops maybe not!!

Federal arrests of noncitizens have jumped over 200% in the last 20 years and now account for 64% of those arrested, according to the Justice Department.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics said that federal arrests of non-Americans rose 234% from 1998-2018. For U.S. citizens, the percentage rose just 10% over those 20 years.

The newly released statistics feed the Trump administration’s narrative that an increase in immigration, especially illegal immigration, has fed a spike in crime.

Justice: 64% of federal arrests are noncitizens, with a 200% increase

Comments?
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Are they counting arrests nothing other than the misdemeanor crime of being here?
 
Amelia said:
I mostly agree.

The problem is when our enforcement is framed in such xenophobic terms that it might be used as propaganda to increase recruitment by the very people that we're being told to fear, and increase fear in the people who are most vulnerable to being exploited by dangerous elements.
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The bottom line is that those who fully supported the Secure Fences Act suddenly developed strong moral objections to physical border barriers because Trump. How something is framed (by Trump?) does not change the nature of that something.
 
bongsaway said:
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor and yet many make it sound like these folks are nothing but drug dealers and murderers.
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americanwoman said:
Found the full report in case anyone is interested:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/icfjs9818.pdf




Based on the numbers it appears because we have been steadily increasing our prosecutions of illegal re-entry attempts. It makes sense the more we crack down on immigration at the border the higher the crime rates of non-citizens will be.
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Isnt illegal reentry a felony?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The bottom line is that those who fully supported the Secure Fences Act suddenly developed strong moral objections to physical border barriers because Trump. How something is framed (by Trump?) does not change the nature of that something.
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Pelosi shouldn't have said "a wall is an immorality". That was extraordinarily stupid for her to say.
 
Amelia said:
But using increased arrests of people who are living here peacefully should not be used to feed a narrative that there is a spike in any kind of crime, much less in the kind that Trump is trying to gin up fear about.


Increasing enforcement versus pushing a false narrative about reasons to live in fear .... one doesn't have to rubberstamp the latter to support the former.
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Ginning up unwarranted fear about nonexistent threats is what Trump and his deplorables do.
 
Amelia said:
Pelosi shouldn't have said "a wall is an immorality". That was extraordinarily stupid for her to say.
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It was no less stupid than saying that she no longer supports increased border security or interior immigration law enforcement efforts because that would help Trump politically. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place - what was a partisan hack to do?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Ginning up unwarranted fear about nonexistent threats is what Trump and his deplorables do.
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Hey, ttwtt and I are reaching an understanding! You're harshing our buzz!

(I do hate the fearmongering, of course. Trump is making things worse.)
 
Amelia said:
If you count them being arrested for simply being here, maybe.
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The OP also fails to understand that many immigrants are legal citizens, so he is not even making a valid argument about foreign people or even minorities being more criminal than white citizens. He is just pointing out that non citizens are being arrested and detained at larger rates than before, and we all know why.

For him to argue that immigrants are more criminal and diversity is bad, really just shows the OP doesn’t trust foreigners
 
Amelia said:
Hey, ttwtt and I are reaching an understanding! You're harshing our buzz!

(I do hate the fearmongering, of course. Trump is making things worse.)
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From what I have seen, seems like a level headed poster when it comes to Trump politics
 
Amelia said:
Hey, ttwtt and I are reaching an understanding! You're harshing our buzz!

(I do hate the fearmongering, of course. Trump is making things worse.)
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Apologies, don’t want to interfere with a potential reconciliation (or frog/scorpion moment. ;) ).
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Apologies, don’t want to interfere with a potential reconciliation (or frog/scorpion moment. ;) ).
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He and I have been here before. Our orbits touch slightly. They don't overlap, but sometimes they come into alignment without any geological cataclysm. I consider that a good thing. :)
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Ginning up unwarranted fear about nonexistent threats is what Trump and his deplorables do.
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If that's what he wanted to do, swing and a miss. These are all federal stats, where as most violent crime is dealt with at the state and local level. I'm not sure there's a way to track crimes by illegals at the local level. Either way, you can only track crimes by illegals who get caught. I have a feeling these stats are from some "study" somewhere. Doesn't matter. There's a legal way to immigrate. I don't care if your from Mexico or Sweden. Do it legally, or stay in your own damn country. (excluding the politically persecuted) We can give them some cover.:peace
 
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mrdeltoid said:
If that's what he wanted to do, swing and a miss. These are all federal stats, where as most violent crime is dealt with at the state and local level. I'm not sure there's a way to track crimes by illegals at the local level. Either way, you can only track crimes by illegals who get caught. I have a feeling these stats are from some "study" somewhere. Doesn't
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In this instance, I was referring to the OP, KLATTU.

I understand federal crime statistics reporting.
 
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