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Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

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Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?

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When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.

8/20/19
President Trump and his followers delight in his image as a disrupter — a dauntless fighter raring to take on entrenched political interests and sacred cows. But when it comes to addressing America’s gun problem, Mr. Trump has proved both conventional and weak. As the shock fades of this month's back-to-back massacres in Texas and Ohio, he is poised to disappoint yet again. On Tuesday, The Atlantic reported that Mr. Trump had assured Wayne LaPierre, the chief executive of the National Rifle Association, that he is no longer considering universal background checks. Mr. LaPierre subsequently tweeted praise for Mr. Trump, who he said “supports our right to keep and bear arms.” By now, the president’s response to gun violence is familiar: In the first raw days after a mass shooting, he answers the public outcry with a pledge to muscle timid lawmakers into action. Following the Parkland shooting last year, Mr. Trump publicly mocked members of his party for being “afraid of the N.R.A.” and touted his independence from the gun lobby. “They have great power over you people,” he said. “They have less power over me.” Well, unless you count the $30 million the N.R.A. donated to Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign, making the group his largest single contributor.

In response to this month’s shootings, Mr. Trump promptly vowed to pursue “background checks like we’ve never had before,” noting, correctly, that “there is a great appetite” for closing existing loopholes. Even as Mr. Trump was touting his specialness, the N.R.A. was whispering in his ear, warning of the political Armageddon that would befall him if he crossed Second Amendment enthusiasts, even on something with such broad support as background checks. In recent weeks, the president has had multiple phone conversations with Mr. LaPierre, including while the president was on vacation at his New Jersey golf resort last week. Right on schedule, Mr. Trump’s knees have buckled and his resolute talk has devolved into a series of (slightly garbled) bumper-sticker clichés on the theme of, “It’s people who pull the trigger, not the gun that pulls the trigger.” Leaning on one of the gun lobby’s favorite talking points, he said that this is “a very, very big mental health problem.” Yes, it is — if you consider chronic political cowardice to be a mental health problem. Mr. Trump was spot on with his observation that Republican lawmakers are terrified of the gun lobby, to the point of consistently prioritizing its desires over those of their voters, not to mention the good of the nation. The big question now is whether the president has what it takes to show leadership. But the viewing public probably shouldn’t hold its breath.
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One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?


When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.



One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
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It’s not really a bad thing that Trump decided to abide by the limits of the Constitution rather than seek to ignore it for the sake of current public opinion.
 
The NRA has a pretty effective strategy, gotta admit, on behalf of the gun manufacturers who own them because at the end of the day, it’s about the money, don’t tell that to the gun nuts though, they think this is about the nobility of a principle for the NRA.

But the strategy is multi-pronged.

1. Scaremongering and disinformation.

2. Marketing strategy.

3. Heavy bribery of legislatures... I mean “donations”.
 
I don't think any of us who live in the real world thought that what he spouted about background checks meant any more than all the other bull$**** he spews on a daily basis. He must be sore, he's the buttboy of so many.

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Too bad you got sucked into the media spin. It caused you to totally misunderstand what's going on.

What you should be aware of is that for all his rhetoric, Trump never said anything about "universal background checks". That means Trump didn't actually retreat at all.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

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Lutherf said:
It’s not really a bad thing that Trump decided to abide by the limits of the Constitution rather than seek to ignore it for the sake of current public opinion.
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It's not really a bad thing to demand universal back round checks- it is well within the 'limits' of the Constitution as the Supreme Court has stated individually and in rulings.

NO right is without limits and it is a bit disingenuous to call a democracy- 'public opinion'....

Will of the people and all that... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
It's not really a bad thing to demand universal back round checks- it is well within the 'limits' of the Constitution as the Supreme Court has stated individually and in rulings.

NO right is without limits and it is a bit disingenuous to call a democracy- 'public opinion'....

Will of the people and all that... :peace
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How is it Constitutional for the federal government to require a background check on a private transaction between two citizens that does not involve interstate activity?
 
Lutherf said:
It’s not really a bad thing that Trump decided to abide by the limits of the Constitution rather than seek to ignore it for the sake of current public opinion.
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While I agree that the 2nd amendment must be upheld, doing absolutely nothing here is going to cause a massive problem for the GOP if a Dem wins election.
 
Lutherf said:
How is it Constitutional for the federal government to require a background check on a private transaction between two citizens that does not involve interstate activity?
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Rights come with responsibilities. Why is the 2nd amendment the one where no one wants to apply any responsibilities?
 
Obscurity said:
Rights come with responsibilities. Why is the 2nd amendment the one where no one wants to apply any responsibilities?
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You mean we don’t already have laws on the books that define gun owners responsibilities?
 
Lutherf said:
How is it Constitutional for the federal government to require a background check on a private transaction between two citizens that does not involve interstate activity?
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Wickard. The Supreme Idiots ruled that growing wheat on your own farm for the sole purpose of feeding your own livestock has a "substantial economic effect on interstate commerce". Same "logic" found in Raich to prevent you from growing weed for yourself. You selling a gun to another person means he didn't buy a gun on the open market, and hence the sale had an effect on interstate commerce.

The liberal regulatory state is probably the worst thing the left has imposed on the American people.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?

NFmvj8P9SSvAVukn3-Xutzl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9

When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.

One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
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First, your percentage of Americans who support background checks is completely bogus, and a deliberate lie.

Second, it doesn't matter what Americans want. We don't live in a democracy. We live in a constitutional republic with a Supreme Court that has already decided that congressional mandated background checks are unconstitutional. Of course if you knew anything about basic civics, you would already know this. So it is plainly obvious that you lack the education to comprehend the situation.
 
Lutherf said:
How is it Constitutional for the federal government to require a background check on a private transaction between two citizens that does not involve interstate activity?
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Ever read our Constitution’s preamble?

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...

You’re welcome.
 
notquiteright said:
It's not really a bad thing to demand universal back round checks- it is well within the 'limits' of the Constitution as the Supreme Court has stated individually and in rulings.

NO right is without limits and it is a bit disingenuous to call a democracy- 'public opinion'....

Will of the people and all that... :peace
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Except that it is not, and you deliberately lied about the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court actually tossed mandated background checks in 1997 as violating the Tenth Amendment. Nice try at spinning delibrate lies, but you've been exposed. Go read Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997) and get a clue.
 
No reason at all to be surprised.
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Rogue Valley said:
Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?

NFmvj8P9SSvAVukn3-Xutzl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9

When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.



One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
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Let me ask you this. Which of our 3 branches is responsible for changing law? Could they possibly come up with a law so good to have bipartisan support, reaching a two-thirds supermajority? I read something about 2/3 of citizens want something done? Let's call our law makers. That is, if we want change instead of just bitching about POTUS.
Heck, or we could just enforce already existing laws and address mental illness.
 
Obscurity said:
Rights come with responsibilities. Why is the 2nd amendment the one where no one wants to apply any responsibilities?
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Only ignorant hoplophiles argue against virtually any restriction.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?

NFmvj8P9SSvAVukn3-Xutzl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9

When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.



One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
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Remember when Trump supported gun control under Bill Clinton? Me too. Remember when Trump Tweeted that Obama "spoke for" him when Obama called for gun control after Sandy Hook? Me too. Remember when Trump attacked, vilified, and criticized "the Establishment" who were under the control of special interest groups and lobbyists? Me too.

In other words, Trump is full of **** and is nothing but a bought and paid for politician. And not even a good one.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?

NFmvj8P9SSvAVukn3-Xutzl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9

When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.



One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
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Apparently Ivanka is the one pushing him for these "meaningful background checks" he was babbling about in the Rose Garden. I guess Lapierre's money is more important than his little girl.
 
Glitch said:
First, your percentage of Americans who support background checks is completely bogus, and a deliberate lie.

Second, it doesn't matter what Americans want. We don't live in a democracy. We live in a constitutional republic with a Supreme Court that has already decided that congressional mandated background checks are unconstitutional. Of course if you knew anything about basic civics, you would already know this. So it is plainly obvious that you lack the education to comprehend the situation.
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SCOTUS rejected Congress’s attempt to mandate background checks as party of the Brady Bill however, SCOTUS has refused to hear cases of states that have enacted their own requirements for background checks, allowing them to stand.

Constitution intact.
 
Moon said:
You mean we don’t already have laws on the books that define gun owners responsibilities?
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We don't have adequate laws for a modern society of connectivity that is unprecedented in human history.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Only ignorant hoplophiles argue against virtually any restriction.
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Craven wasters who are fear driven and paranoid. They always bring up tyrannical government, but a Disarmed FRENCH population ROUTINELY overthrows its government, with no guns. So that argument holds no water.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

Where is the president’s vaunted independence?

NFmvj8P9SSvAVukn3-Xutzl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9

When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.



One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
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>Common sense< gun reform?

True common sense dictates that reacting to INCREDIBLY rare genuine mass shootings with legislation to damage the 2nd is at best insane.

And people WILL remember who behaved with ignorant, cynical hysteria designed to gut the Constitution at the polls, yes.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
SCOTUS rejected Congress’s attempt to mandate background checks as party of the Brady Bill however, SCOTUS has refused to hear cases of states that have enacted their own requirements for background checks, allowing them to stand.

Constitution intact.
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States are the only government body with the constitutional authority to impose background checks. Congress cannot. Which means that there will not be a "universal background check" because not every State will cede to the irrational whims of the anti-American left.
 
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