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    Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Where is the president’s vaunted independence?


    When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.

    8/20/19
    President Trump and his followers delight in his image as a disrupter — a dauntless fighter raring to take on entrenched political interests and sacred cows. But when it comes to addressing America’s gun problem, Mr. Trump has proved both conventional and weak. As the shock fades of this month's back-to-back massacres in Texas and Ohio, he is poised to disappoint yet again. On Tuesday, The Atlantic reported that Mr. Trump had assured Wayne LaPierre, the chief executive of the National Rifle Association, that he is no longer considering universal background checks. Mr. LaPierre subsequently tweeted praise for Mr. Trump, who he said “supports our right to keep and bear arms.” By now, the president’s response to gun violence is familiar: In the first raw days after a mass shooting, he answers the public outcry with a pledge to muscle timid lawmakers into action. Following the Parkland shooting last year, Mr. Trump publicly mocked members of his party for being “afraid of the N.R.A.” and touted his independence from the gun lobby. “They have great power over you people,” he said. “They have less power over me.” Well, unless you count the $30 million the N.R.A. donated to Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign, making the group his largest single contributor.

    In response to this month’s shootings, Mr. Trump promptly vowed to pursue “background checks like we’ve never had before,” noting, correctly, that “there is a great appetite” for closing existing loopholes. Even as Mr. Trump was touting his specialness, the N.R.A. was whispering in his ear, warning of the political Armageddon that would befall him if he crossed Second Amendment enthusiasts, even on something with such broad support as background checks. In recent weeks, the president has had multiple phone conversations with Mr. LaPierre, including while the president was on vacation at his New Jersey golf resort last week. Right on schedule, Mr. Trump’s knees have buckled and his resolute talk has devolved into a series of (slightly garbled) bumper-sticker clichés on the theme of, “It’s people who pull the trigger, not the gun that pulls the trigger.” Leaning on one of the gun lobby’s favorite talking points, he said that this is “a very, very big mental health problem.” Yes, it is — if you consider chronic political cowardice to be a mental health problem. Mr. Trump was spot on with his observation that Republican lawmakers are terrified of the gun lobby, to the point of consistently prioritizing its desires over those of their voters, not to mention the good of the nation. The big question now is whether the president has what it takes to show leadership. But the viewing public probably shouldn’t hold its breath.
    One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

    According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

    Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

    Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence


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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Where is the president’s vaunted independence?


    When NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre calls after another mass shooting, Trump listens up.



    One thing is abundantly clear ... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre owns Donald Trump and the GOP. Trump would rather please his NRA donor than do anything to help safeguard your husband, wife, and kids.

    According to numerous current polls, 88% of Americans support universal background checks and 74% of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales.

    Trump and the GOP do not support such commonsense gun reform. They would rather please LaPierre and gun manufacturers. Remember this betrayal on Election Day, 3 November 2020.

    Related: Trump’s Phone Calls With Wayne LaPierre Reveal NRA’s Influence
    It’s not really a bad thing that Trump decided to abide by the limits of the Constitution rather than seek to ignore it for the sake of current public opinion.

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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    The NRA has a pretty effective strategy, gotta admit, on behalf of the gun manufacturers who own them because at the end of the day, it’s about the money, don’t tell that to the gun nuts though, they think this is about the nobility of a principle for the NRA.

    But the strategy is multi-pronged.

    1. Scaremongering and disinformation.

    2. Marketing strategy.

    3. Heavy bribery of legislatures... I mean “donations”.

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    I don't think any of us who live in the real world thought that what he spouted about background checks meant any more than all the other bull$**** he spews on a daily basis. He must be sore, he's the buttboy of so many.

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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Too bad you got sucked into the media spin. It caused you to totally misunderstand what's going on.

    What you should be aware of is that for all his rhetoric, Trump never said anything about "universal background checks". That means Trump didn't actually retreat at all.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It’s not really a bad thing that Trump decided to abide by the limits of the Constitution rather than seek to ignore it for the sake of current public opinion.
    It's not really a bad thing to demand universal back round checks- it is well within the 'limits' of the Constitution as the Supreme Court has stated individually and in rulings.

    NO right is without limits and it is a bit disingenuous to call a democracy- 'public opinion'....

    Will of the people and all that...

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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Surprise, surprise, surprise.
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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It's not really a bad thing to demand universal back round checks- it is well within the 'limits' of the Constitution as the Supreme Court has stated individually and in rulings.

    NO right is without limits and it is a bit disingenuous to call a democracy- 'public opinion'....

    Will of the people and all that...
    How is it Constitutional for the federal government to require a background check on a private transaction between two citizens that does not involve interstate activity?

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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It’s not really a bad thing that Trump decided to abide by the limits of the Constitution rather than seek to ignore it for the sake of current public opinion.
    While I agree that the 2nd amendment must be upheld, doing absolutely nothing here is going to cause a massive problem for the GOP if a Dem wins election.
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    Re: Trump Retreats, Again, on Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    How is it Constitutional for the federal government to require a background check on a private transaction between two citizens that does not involve interstate activity?
    Rights come with responsibilities. Why is the 2nd amendment the one where no one wants to apply any responsibilities?
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