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CNN POLL: Biden widens his lead, Harris takes a significant hit

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The latest CNN poll shows Biden with 29% of the vote, with Sanders and Warren at 15% and 14%. In the previous poll, we had Biden at 22% with Harris at 17%. This time around, we have Harris tied with Buttigieg at 5%. That's a 12% decrease.

Kind of reminds me of Trump in the 2016 election. Every time the media say he's finished, the latest outrage will lead to his demise, his poll numbers go up. Harris on the other hand got spanked by Gabbard, a 0-2%er in the polls.
 
BrotherFease said:
The latest CNN poll shows Biden with 29% of the vote, with Sanders and Warren at 15% and 14%. In the previous poll, we had Biden at 22% with Harris at 17%. This time around, we have Harris tied with Buttigieg at 5%. That's a 12% decrease.

Kind of reminds me of Trump in the 2016 election. Every time the media say he's finished, the latest outrage will lead to his demise, his poll numbers go up. Harris on the other hand got spanked by Gabbard, a 0-2%er in the polls.
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Do you have a link to the poll?

Not disputing you or anything like that, but I like to examine the sampling data on polls. Gives a good indication if it's a bogus poll or not.
 
It's one poll

YouGov has had Warren only a few points behind Biden, and polls in Iowa and New Hampshire are much closer. Further, the supporters of Warren, Sanders, O'Rourke, Castro, Gabbard, and Booker are all apart of the same pot, and when you put them together it's a much closer race.

The polls are all over the place because it's early. Can Biden win? Yes, he can. But he can also lose if he continues his brain dead moments, where he practically forgets what year it is. If he keeps that stuff up, he'll have a hard time winning the primary, and even bigger bitch of a time winning the Presidency.

Thinking old Joe is a shoe-in because he checks the traditional boxes is exactly how both Kerry and Clinton lost.
 
Mycroft said:
Do you have a link to the poll?

Not disputing you or anything like that, but I like to examine the sampling data on polls. Gives a good indication if it's a bogus poll or not.
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I saw it earlier today, it is legit. Does not mean alot at this stage. He is the frontrunner, and will be for some time, but change of a couple percent really is not meaningful at this point.
 
I hope the herd is thinned out after the next debate. This is ridiculous - people are literally polling at 0% and they are still wasting time and money, and diluting the field. For no reason.
 
Superfly said:
I hope the herd is thinned out after the next debate. This is ridiculous - people are literally polling at 0% and they are still wasting time and money, and diluting the field. For no reason.
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This.

The field from the beginning looked like New York orchestra with cheaper suits. Still, once ten of these losers don't make the next debate, we won't be hearing from them again, and they will be forced to cry on Morning Joe about how horrible the left was to them. :roll:

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Everyone outside of the top five are deluding themselves - they're not going to win. Frankly, it's down to Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, and Buttigieg at this point. It will be one of them unless something dramatic happens in the back field.

It's best to see Warren-Sanders as two sides of the same coin, and the same goes for Harris-Buttigieg. Biden has the lead for now, but he will have to get into the 40's to win the race, and he can't do that without some of the center left vote from Harris-Buttigieg, because all the other moderate candidates are at the bottom of the lake of turtle turds. If that center left vote moves towards Warren, or Harris pulls some more moderate votes, that will put Warren in the catbird seat.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's one poll

YouGov has had Warren only a few points behind Biden, and polls in Iowa and New Hampshire are much closer. Further, the supporters of Warren, Sanders, O'Rourke, Castro, Gabbard, and Booker are all apart of the same pot, and when you put them together it's a much closer race.

The polls are all over the place because it's early. Can Biden win? Yes, he can. But he can also lose if he continues his brain dead moments, where he practically forgets what year it is. If he keeps that stuff up, he'll have a hard time winning the primary, and even bigger bitch of a time winning the Presidency.

Thinking old Joe is a shoe-in because he checks the traditional boxes is exactly how both Kerry and Clinton lost.
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A couple of problems here.

YouGov/Economist poll does not count toward anything. The DNC only counts polls conducted by CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, CNN, NYT, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Des Moines Register, AP, NPR, Quinnipiac, University of New Hampshire, Monmouth, and Winstrope. These are the major publications.

Pretty much every poll has Biden in the lead.

We have only had one legit August poll for the February primary/caucus states, and that was in Iowa. Monmouth had Biden with a 9 point lead in Iowa.

As I have stated before, the polls will inevitably tighten up in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. But at the end of the day, there's a gigantic yellow sign pointing to Biden. It's right in front of your face. The gaffes, the busing, the sexual harassment allegations have made zero dents in his campaign. All what we have is progressive circles trying to believe Biden is not inevitable.
 
Harris was never going to get very far. Her history is far too law and order, establishment. I suspect Mayor Pete is only holding his own this far because someone is secretly helping him out behind the scenes:

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BrotherFease said:
A couple of problems here.

YouGov/Economist poll does not count toward anything. The DNC only counts polls conducted by CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, CNN, NYT, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Des Moines Register, AP, NPR, Quinnipiac, University of New Hampshire, Monmouth, and Winstrope. These are the major publications.

Pretty much every poll has Biden in the lead.

We have only had one legit August poll for the February primary/caucus states, and that was in Iowa. Monmouth had Biden with a 9 point lead in Iowa.

As I have stated before, the polls will inevitably tighten up in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. But at the end of the day, there's a gigantic yellow sign pointing to Biden. It's right in front of your face. The gaffes, the busing, the sexual harassment allegations have made zero dents in his campaign. All what we have is progressive circles trying to believe Biden is not inevitable.
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Biden may win, but he is very shaky right now.

Most have not paid too much attention to the debates up to this point, and won't until it's down to five or six candidates. That's when others will get more engaged and get familiar with other candidates.
 
Superfly said:
I hope the herd is thinned out after the next debate. This is ridiculous - people are literally polling at 0% and they are still wasting time and money, and diluting the field. For no reason.
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That's on the DNC chairman Tom Perez. For the June and July debates, he stated that the candidates has to either poll at 1% in three separate major polls OR get 65k individual donors.

For the month of June and late May, we had 9 candidates registering at least 1% in the polls. For August, we had 10 candidates. 14 candidates met both the donor and polling requirements for the June/July debates.

We would have more candidates drop out, if Perez didn't create a participation trophy system.
 
MovingPictures said:
Biden may win, but he is very shaky right now.

Most have not paid too much attention to the debates up to this point, and won't until it's down to five or six candidates. That's when others will get more engaged and get familiar with other candidates.
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There's no evidence of being "very shaky". He maintains leads in the national polls and in Iowa, NH, and SC. Nothing I see shows he's slowing down or his support is dropping. Harris is the one whose dropping like a rock, but we don't want to talk about that.

I believe the candidate to look out for is Warren. She came in less visibility than both Biden and Sanders, yet she polls either in 2nd or 3rd place. Unlike Harris, Buttigieg, and O'Rourke, she seems to be lack the characteristic of a trendy candidate.
 
Biden is farther ahead than Trump was at this point in the campaign, but the big question is that when candidates start dropping out, are their supporters going to flock to Biden or one of the far left candidates? Sanders and Warren are similar, and are together polling about the same as Biden. When one of them pulls out it will be a much, much closer race.
 
BrotherFease said:
There's no evidence of being "very shaky". He maintains leads in the national polls and in Iowa, NH, and SC. Nothing I see shows he's slowing down or his support is dropping. Harris is the one whose dropping like a rock, but we don't want to talk about that.

I believe the candidate to look out for is Warren. She came in less visibility than both Biden and Sanders, yet she polls either in 2nd or 3rd place. Unlike Harris, Buttigieg, and O'Rourke, she seems to be lack the characteristic of a trendy candidate.
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Clinton was looking pretty good back in 2007 with her double digits leads, until Obama made a speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner that changed all of that.

If you can't see that Biden is on thin-ice, you must be blind. He says some of the dumbest things possible, and at times looks like he doesn't remember what planet he's on. Lots of people haven't seen it because they haven't paid much attention to the debates, or even the highlights of them. That's why his handlers are keeping him for away from cameras right now.
 
Redress said:
I saw it earlier today, it is legit. Does not mean alot at this stage. He is the frontrunner, and will be for some time, but change of a couple percent really is not meaningful at this point.
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It's legit?

Do you have numbers on their sampling by party affiliation?
 
Taylor said:
Biden is farther ahead than Trump was at this point in the campaign, but the big question is that when candidates start dropping out, are their supporters going to flock to Biden or one of the far left candidates? Sanders and Warren are similar, and are together polling about the same as Biden. When one of them pulls out it will be a much, much closer race.
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It comes down to when they decide to pull out (how many DNC delegates have been assigned up to that point) and if they endorse another (non-Biden) candidate during (or soon after) their pullout. All Biden seems to be selling is his "electability" which is based on polling alone - if (when?) that fades then so does any reason to continue to support Biden.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It comes down to when they decide to pull out (how many DNC delegates have been assigned up to that point) and if they endorse another (non-Biden) candidate during (or soon after) their pullout. All Biden seems to be selling is his "electability" which is based on polling alone - if (when?) that fades then so does any reason to continue to support Biden.
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Booker, O'Rourke, Castro, Yang, Gabbard, and Steyer add up to 12% support. Put that together with Warren and Sanders, and that would be a candidate in the 40's. Once some of the really low rung moderates are gone, then Biden will be in the mid 30's.

The question is whether Harris-Buttigieg supporters go for the progressive candidate, or if they go with Biden. They could also split, which would make the race VERY tight.

Of course, if Biden keeps laying eggs in public, he may make the decision easier for others.
 
Mycroft said:
It's legit?

Do you have numbers on their sampling by party affiliation?
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It is a democratic primary poll by a reputable polling company. The whole "oh woe is us, the polling companies are conspiring to undersample republicans" that has proven wrong every time is a total failure this time.
 
MovingPictures said:
This.

The field from the beginning looked like New York orchestra with cheaper suits. Still, once ten of these losers don't make the next debate, we won't be hearing from them again, and they will be forced to cry on Morning Joe about how horrible the left was to them. :roll:

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Everyone outside of the top five are deluding themselves - they're not going to win. Frankly, it's down to Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, and Buttigieg at this point. It will be one of them unless something dramatic happens in the back field.

It's best to see Warren-Sanders as two sides of the same coin, and the same goes for Harris-Buttigieg. Biden has the lead for now, but he will have to get into the 40's to win the race, and he can't do that without some of the center left vote from Harris-Buttigieg, because all the other moderate candidates are at the bottom of the lake of turtle turds. If that center left vote moves towards Warren, or Harris pulls some more moderate votes, that will put Warren in the catbird seat.
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I like Warren and feel like she has good ideas. I like Harris better. She’s a bulldog, and that’s what we need to clean up the toxic spill that has been left in the White House. Biden is losing his grip with all his gaffes. Sanders? OMG so over him and his psychotic Bernie Bros. I like BootyJudge but not sure he is ready for he big show.
 
BrotherFease said:
That's on the DNC chairman Tom Perez. For the June and July debates, he stated that the candidates has to either poll at 1% in three separate major polls OR get 65k individual donors.

For the month of June and late May, we had 9 candidates registering at least 1% in the polls. For August, we had 10 candidates. 14 candidates met both the donor and polling requirements for the June/July debates.

We would have more candidates drop out, if Perez didn't create a participation trophy system.
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Awesome. So the DNC chair is cocking things up again. (I’m looking at you, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz)
 
Superfly said:
I like Warren and feel like she has good ideas. I like Harris better. She’s a bulldog, and that’s what we need to clean up the toxic spill that has been left in the White House. Biden is losing his grip with all his gaffes. Sanders? OMG so over him and his psychotic Bernie Bros. I like BootyJudge but not sure he is ready for he big show.
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Harris is great on offense, but her record as AG on marijuana is hypocritical to say the least. She's going to have to start providing a platform that is attractive enough for center-left voters to overlook that, or they'll just go with Warren instead. Now, when it comes to Warren, she's clearly the person best positioned to be beat Biden at the moment, but she will have to sell M4A (which I'm for) to the moderate Democratic voters that have been misinformed about it.

Biden? The man is Clinton 2.0. I think he would probably beat Trump, but I'm very skeptical of these polls that have him winning Texas and Georgia that his voters tout. I'm not saying those states can't be won, but remember polls showed Clinton winning Florida and North Carolina by a mile, and we all know how that ended. He and his supporters have big heads about "electability" just like Clinton did, and they are ignoring his swiss cheese record. Frankly, the man always looks lost and the fact that his handlers have to hide him is ... not good.

And "BootyJudge"? God, you southern gals are all ass women. Get your mind out of the gutter. :lol:
 
Once Biden said he would challenge Trump to do pushups on the debate stage he locked in my vote for the primary.
 
MovingPictures said:
Harris is great on offense, but her record as AG on marijuana is hypocritical to say the least. She's going to have to start providing a platform that is attractive enough for center-left voters to overlook that, or they'll just go with Warren instead. Now, when it comes to Warren, she's clearly the person best positioned to be beat Biden at the moment, but she will have to sell M4A (which I'm for) to the moderate Democratic voters that have been misinformed about it.

Biden? The man is Clinton 2.0. I think he would probably beat Trump, but I'm very skeptical of these polls that have him winning Texas and Georgia that his voters tout. I'm not saying those states can't be won, but remember polls showed Clinton winning Florida and North Carolina by a mile, and we all know how that ended. He and his supporters have big heads about "electability" just like Clinton did, and they are ignoring his swiss cheese record. Frankly, the man always looks lost and the fact that his handlers have to hide him is ... not good.

And "BootyJudge"? God, you southern gals are all ass women. Get your mind out of the gutter. :lol:
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Agreed. It’s like, “Grampa got into the cooking sherry again.”

And “BootyJudge” was how I remembered how to pronounce his name! I’m innocent ! (This time)
 
Superfly said:
Agreed. It’s like, “Grampa got into the cooking sherry again.”
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It's hard to watch.
And “BootyJudge” was how I remembered how to pronounce his name! I’m innocent ! (This time)
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So you know how to spell his name, but you just spell it that way 'just because'? Riiiight.:lol:

Superfly can't restrain herself y'all.
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