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There could have been three more mass shootings if these men weren't stopped, authorities say

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This is really scary, but at least these guys weren't the smartest...I mean seriously, one posted on FB, one posted on Instagram, and the other guy told his gf he was going to shoot up 100 people. WTF??? Are they all in it for the "shock" value?

  • In Connecticut, 22-year-old man was arrested after authorities said he had expressed interest in committing a mass shooting on Facebook
  • A man in Daytona Beach, Florida, was arrested in a Winn-Dixie parking lot on Friday after telling his gf that a good 100 kills would be nice'
  • In Ohio, 20-year-old man was arrested for allegedly threatening to carry out a shooting at a Youngstown Jewish community center.

Authorities this weekend announced they had foiled three potential mass shootings after arresting three men in different states who expressed interest in or threatened to carry them out.

All three cases were brought to authorities' attention thanks to tips from the public.
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There could have been three more mass shootings if these men weren't stopped, authorities say
 
I hope that we, as a nation, are taking these things much more seriously now. It's taken far too long, as it is, but better late than never.
 
We need to respect the police and let them do their jobs
 
NeverTrump said:
This is really scary, but at least these guys weren't the smartest...I mean seriously, one posted on FB, one posted on Instagram, and the other guy told his gf he was going to shoot up 100 people. WTF??? Are they all in it for the "shock" value?

  • In Connecticut, 22-year-old man was arrested after authorities said he had expressed interest in committing a mass shooting on Facebook
  • A man in Daytona Beach, Florida, was arrested in a Winn-Dixie parking lot on Friday after telling his gf that a good 100 kills would be nice'
  • In Ohio, 20-year-old man was arrested for allegedly threatening to carry out a shooting at a Youngstown Jewish community center.

There could have been three more mass shootings if these men weren't stopped, authorities say
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Thoughtcrime is real crime.

Just ask the >authorities.<

:hm
 
NeverTrump said:
This is really scary, but at least these guys weren't the smartest...I mean seriously, one posted on FB, one posted on Instagram, and the other guy told his gf he was going to shoot up 100 people. WTF??? Are they all in it for the "shock" value?

  • In Connecticut, 22-year-old man was arrested after authorities said he had expressed interest in committing a mass shooting on Facebook
  • A man in Daytona Beach, Florida, was arrested in a Winn-Dixie parking lot on Friday after telling his gf that a good 100 kills would be nice'
  • In Ohio, 20-year-old man was arrested for allegedly threatening to carry out a shooting at a Youngstown Jewish community center.



There could have been three more mass shootings if these men weren't stopped, authorities say
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You can get arrested for saying something to your gf in private?
 
Pre-crime is real crime.

It must not be tolerated.
 
It's one thing to advocate for positive voluntary intervention for people who may be in need.

This is the hallmark of a sane and compassionate society.

It's quite another to advocate that people lose their freedom for their thoughts, feelings and words.

This is the hallmark of prison culture.

:hm
 
3leftsdoo said:
Thoughtcrime is real crime.

Just ask the >authorities.<

:hm
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Threatening and planning mass murder is absolutely a crime and always has been. If you'd like to see it otherwise you can head off to a country where it isn't.

How stupid and uneducated does someone have to be to think that's a constitutionally protected right?
 
Once again we're reminded that the group classified as 'law abiding gun owners' includes a sub-group of those who haven't yet shot someone, but will.

Remember also that guns do not kill people. Bullets do.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Threatening and planning mass murder is absolutely a crime and always has been. If you'd like to see it otherwise you can head off to a country where it isn't.

How stupid and uneducated does someone have to be to think that's a constitutionally protected right?
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If he posts on facebook about a mass shooting and a person reads it, but does not turn the poster in for bad thoughts, is this a conspiracy to commit murder?

I'm just wondering what kind of thoughts constitute actionable behavior.
 
Torus34 said:
Once again we're reminded that the group classified as 'law abiding gun owners' includes a sub-group of those who haven't yet shot someone, but will.

Remember also that guns do not kill people. Bullets do.
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Motor vehicle operators in the USA are 60% more likely to kill someone than gun operators in the USA. 40,000 vehicle deaths vs 24,000 gun deaths.

Guns are more numerous than vehicles.

Bullets kill people? Would this be like headlights killing people? Do the operators of these two general groups of devices have any culpability in the deaths that result? Should we be jailing only the guns of mass murderers?

Do either guns or cars (or bullets) kill anyone with no human guidance or error? Links?
 
code1211 said:
Drivers of motor vehicles in the USA are 60% more likely to kill someone than owners of guns in the USA. 40,000 vehicle deaths vs 24,000 gun deaths.

Guns are more numerous than vehicles.

Bullets kill people? Would this be like headlights killing people? Do the operators of these two general groups of devices have any culpability in the deaths that result?

Do either guns or cars (or bullets) kill anyone with no human guidance or error?
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There are 39,000 gun deaths. Almost the same as cars yet only a third of Americans own guns
 
vegas giants said:
There are 39,000 gun deaths. Almost the same as cars yet only a third of Americans own guns
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There are about 100 million more guns than cars in the US.

Almost all traffic fatalities are accidental.

About 2/3 of all gun deaths are intentional suicides.



Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

"For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day.[1]"

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

"...33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 persons).[8] These deaths included 21,175 suicides,[8] 11,208 homicides,[9] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[8]"
 
code1211 said:
There are about 100 million more guns than cars in the US.

Almost all traffic fatalities are accidental.

About 2/3 of all gun deaths are intentional suicides.



Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

"For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day.[1]"

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

"...33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 persons).[8] These deaths included 21,175 suicides,[8] 11,208 homicides,[9] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[8]"
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Yes virtually the same number killed when many Americans never even touch a gun but all of us are in cars every day


In 2017,*gun deaths*reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773deaths*by*firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides. The rate of*firearm deathsper 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day.
 
vegas giants said:
Yes virtually the same number killed when many Americans never even touch a gun but all of us are in cars every day


In 2017,*gun deaths*reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773deaths*by*firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides. The rate of*firearm deathsper 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day.
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I suppose we're lucky that the gun suicides are committed by gun rather than auto.

The despair of the suicide victims must be immeasurable. So sad...

A life devoid of hope is awesomely terrifying.
 
code1211 said:
I suppose we're lucky that the gun suicides are committed by gun rather than auto.

The despair of the suicide victims must be immeasurable. So sad...

A life devoid of hope is awesomely terrifying.
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Gun control could help save their lives...many of them are veterans
 
code1211 said:
Do either guns or cars (or bullets) kill anyone with no human guidance or error? Links?
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Hi, and thanks for taking time to post a response. In answer to your question, you've nicely stated the problem in your question.

In instances of gunshot, there are, almost without exception, three components. There's the bullet, the gun from which it's fired and the shooter who operates the mechanism of the gun. I don't believe I've left anything out.

Now, in order to eliminate deaths and woundings by gunshot, one or more components must be eliminated.

I, for one, would not feel comfortable in suggesting that we eliminate people.

Regards.
 
code1211 said:
If he posts on facebook about a mass shooting and a person reads it, but does not turn the poster in for bad thoughts, is this a conspiracy to commit murder?

I'm just wondering what kind of thoughts constitute actionable behavior.
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It is not legal to make threats to murder people. That this has to be explained to you people like it's a new concept further proves Trump supporters are ignorant children.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It is not legal to make threats to murder people. That this has to be explained to you people like it's a new concept further proves Trump supporters are ignorant children.
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Correct
 
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