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Trump Admin for Discrimination: Trans Workers

Keepmcrying2020 said:
Would you support Biden if he started dressing like a woman or if Warren started dressing like a man ?
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If they're actually genuine transgender, why not? Would you still support Trump if he does the same?

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AProudLefty said:
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So, let me get this straight: a funeral home hires a person by the name of Anthony who presents him/herself as a man and agrees in a contract to wear men's clothing while representing the business.

6 years later that person decides to break the contract ... and sues because the company is not happy about him/her/it breaking the contract.

:lamo ... Up yours, Anthony/Aimee!
 
Barnacle said:
So, let me get this straight: a funeral home hires a person by the name of Anthony who presents him/herself as a man and agrees in a contract to wear men's clothing while representing the business.

6 years later that person decides to break the contract ... and sues because the company is not happy about him/her/it breaking the contract.

:lamo ... Up yours, Anthony/Aimee!
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Read the ACLU article.
 
AProudLefty said:
Buck Angel was a female transititoned into a man. I thought you could tell if a person is a transgender person?
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I never said that ...

What I said was:"Believe me, but most people can tell when a guy is wearing women's clothing ... "


On a side note: 30 years of taking male hormones will do "wonders" for you ... (grin)
 
AProudLefty said:
Read the ACLU article.
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Don't need to. I read the article in Alliance defending Freedom.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed suit over the discharge of an employee who refused to comply with a Michigan funeral home’s sex-specific dress code, which requires employees to dress in a manner sensitive to grieving family members and friends. The EEOC attempted to force the business to allow a biologically male employee to wear a female uniform while interacting with the public.

"... The federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued over the funeral home’s decision to apply its dress code to the employee, who insisted on violating that policy despite having agreed to it and followed it for years. Although the federal government now agrees with the funeral home, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing on behalf of the former employee that the Supreme Court should rewrite the law. ..."

R.G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission - Alliance Defending Freedom
 
Barnacle said:
Don't need to. I read the article in Alliance defending Freedom.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed suit over the discharge of an employee who refused to comply with a Michigan funeral home’s sex-specific dress code, which requires employees to dress in a manner sensitive to grieving family members and friends. The EEOC attempted to force the business to allow a biologically male employee to wear a female uniform while interacting with the public.

"... The federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued over the funeral home’s decision to apply its dress code to the employee, who insisted on violating that policy despite having agreed to it and followed it for years. Although the federal government now agrees with the funeral home, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing on behalf of the former employee that the Supreme Court should rewrite the law. ..."

R.G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission - Alliance Defending Freedom
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I'm always amused by the "Alliance defending Freedom". This woman is having her freedom restricted, but I don't see them defending her.
 
Barnacle said:
Don't need to. I read the article in Alliance defending Freedom.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed suit over the discharge of an employee who refused to comply with a Michigan funeral home’s sex-specific dress code, which requires employees to dress in a manner sensitive to grieving family members and friends. The EEOC attempted to force the business to allow a biologically male employee to wear a female uniform while interacting with the public.

"... The federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued over the funeral home’s decision to apply its dress code to the employee, who insisted on violating that policy despite having agreed to it and followed it for years. Although the federal government now agrees with the funeral home, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing on behalf of the former employee that the Supreme Court should rewrite the law. ..."

R.G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission - Alliance Defending Freedom
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By looking at the picture, how will it distract people? They would have a hard time proving it. In the case she told them she was a woman and they fired her.
 
Barnacle said:
I never said that ...

What I said was:"Believe me, but most people can tell when a guy is wearing women's clothing ... "


On a side note: 30 years of taking male hormones will do "wonders" for you ... (grin)
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Pretty sure ALL people can tell if a person is a transvestite.
 
AProudLefty said:
By looking at the picture, how will it distract people? They would have a hard time proving it. In the case she told them she was a woman and they fired her.
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What did he/she/it look like 12 years ago when the funeral home hired him/her/it? Did he/she/it change in appearance (morphing from male to female) during the 6 years of employment or did he/she/it start the hormone treatment after having been fired?
 
Barnacle said:
What did he/she/it look like 12 years ago when the funeral home hired him/her/it? Did he/she/it change in appearance (morphing from male to female) during the 6 years of employment or did he/she/it start the hormone treatment after having been fired?
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So if a person got disfigured from a car wreck, I guess they can fire him because it would distract people?
 
AProudLefty said:
The funeral home owner claimed it would distract people mourning. I'd like to see evidence of that.
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:roll:

We need government intervention in private business hiring.

If you can't prove you aren't a bigot, you are in BIG trouble.
 
3leftsdoo said:
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We need government intervention in private business hiring.

If you can't prove you aren't a bigot, you are in BIG trouble.
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Only if it can be proven that he's a bigot.
 
lwf said:
Are fat people also distractions? You can clearly point them out as well. If customers complain that you have too many fat employees, would you fire them?
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At the fitness club?
 
Barnacle said:
So, let me get this straight: a funeral home hires a person by the name of Anthony who presents him/herself as a man and agrees in a contract to wear men's clothing while representing the business.

6 years later that person decides to break the contract ... and sues because the company is not happy about him/her/it breaking the contract.

:lamo ... Up yours, Anthony/Aimee!
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What a nightmare for the employer...
 
There are no absolute protections for medical conditions. You can’t do many jobs if you’re paralyzed. I am sure there are many other mental conditions that make employment hard.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I am confused. Title VII of the Civil Rights act does protect one from discrimination on the basis of "sex." But there are only two sexes, male and female.

Meanwhile you bring up the issue of a "medical condition." Medical conditions are covered by the American's with Disabilities Act.

Are you asserting that the individual has a mental disability? Even so 42 U.S. Code § 12211 currently has this to say:

42 U.S. Code SS 12211 - Definitions | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

I don't understand what you mean when you argue this particular issue is a civil rights matter.

Her condition is specifically excluded from protections under current law, and there is no current Federal Court ruling that conflicts with the law as it stands.

That may change, as I think there is a case pending in a the Third Circuit...Blatt v. Cabella's Retail, but I haven't found any final ruling on it other than a 2017 opinion at the District Court level denying a motion to dismiss made by the defendants.

However, I believe that sexual orientation should be added as a protected class. I have no problem with gay and bisexual expression being specifically protected.

I just don't see much science which supports the idea that gender dysphoria is anything other than a mental condition, although I am open to any clear scientific proof making this a protected class, at least under the ADA.
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A man wants to be a woman. inwardly, he feels that he is a woman. So, he undergoes sexual reassignment surgery, and the therapy that goes with it, hormones, dress, etc.

Becomes a woman. Called a 'transexual', but I believe we should allow these people to achieve legal female status for that is, indeed, their objective, to be seen as a woman

That would fulfill the discrimination on the basis of sex, requirement.

Thing is, I believe the psychology/psychiatry world has stopped thinking of these people with a 'mental disorder', and if that is how they see it, then we should just allow these people to be, live and let live, and give them equality with the rest of us, in the name of peace, love, harmony, and all that.
 
Barnacle said:
And I agree with him. A guy dressed in women's clothing (that's what he was at that time when he was fired) in a funeral home is more than most people in mourning can stomach.

Frankly, I don't care if my doctor, dentist, mechanic etc. changes his/her "sex" every 6 months, but a business should have the right to decide who represents them ... and in this case, for that particular position, they wanted a man in men's clothing.
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It is legal to have a dress code in any place of business.


So, if he is a cross dresser, the owner is within his right.

If that person had undergone sexual reassignment surgery, did hormones, and fulfilled his quest to become a woman, i.e, no longer looks like a man in drag, but looks like a woman, I feel
we should grant them legal female status and be possessing of equal rights granted to everyone else.
 
Barnacle said:
So, let me get this straight: a funeral home hires a person by the name of Anthony who presents him/herself as a man and agrees in a contract to wear men's clothing while representing the business.

6 years later that person decides to break the contract ... and sues because the company is not happy about him/her/it breaking the contract.

:lamo ... Up yours, Anthony/Aimee!
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Was it in the contract that she would not be transgender?
 
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