Why the Left's Obsession With Donald Trump Will Backfire [And already is]

The author is a moron and has no idea what they're talking about. Just the type of stuff you guys can't get enough of, because it reinforces your own ridiculous and ignorant opinions.

eohrnberger said:

One guy making a tee-shirt you don't like. Brilliant.

Political rhetoric is not responsible for the actions another person short of it actually meeting the legal standard of incitement.

Trump's political rhetoric is no more responsible for any violent reactions than Bernie's political rhetoric is responsible for the congressional baseball practice shooting, no more responsible than Obama's anti-police rhetoric being responsible for the Dallas cop shooting and no more responsible than Warren or Bernie being responsible for the Dayton shooting, as none of any of their political rhetoric meets the necessary legal standard of incitement.

You can play your political / partisan one sided game and rhetoric all you want, it doesn't negate the basic truth of the above statement.

In fact, the political rhetoric that most closely comes to actual legal incitement would be Max Water's call to public confrontation, harassment and assault at non-political venues and events against any and all administration officials.

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Come back when Bernie Sanders incites a crowd to throw out a protester saying he'll pay their legal bills. Come back when Bernie Sanders says something equal to..."If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks,” "Though the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Trump incites his crowds. That tee-shirt, which we've seen at his rallys, is a result of him calling the free press "the enemy of the people".
You guys can minimize this **** all you want. That idiot you elected is doing everything he can to divide and poison American society.

trixare4kids said:

Thank you for sharing your opinion.
One question for you... How is Trump a threat to freedom?

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I am actually surprised that anyone asks that question at this point.

Trump has banned reporters he doesn’t like for his midst, he has suggested the the broadcast licenses of news outlets be pulled for saying things he does not like.

He has openly admired dictators.

But more to the point, he has openly played with the idea of unilaterally extending his term.

His foreign policy retreat has emboldened the enemies of freedom all over the world.

What was once the “shining city on a hill” is now a shrine to bigotry, fear and xenophobia. Why? Because the man with the bully pulpit has made those things the core of his message.

He has tried to usurp the power of Congress.

Specifically the power of the purse, the advise and consent function (unless the advice happens to be for a right wing judicial nominee). He has filled his offices with hangers on, yes men and lobbyists, all unconfirmed, and “acting”.

He is on the verge of defying the US Supreme Court.

I’m not worried about Trump specifically.

He is a fool, and he has no plan or vision for the future.

But his conduct, and the feckless acquiescence of the GOP leadership has set a series of very dangerous precidents in Presidential power.

He has made it far more easy for the next pied piper, one with a plan, to usurp power and end democracy in this country.

This is why he needs to lose fights over abusing power.

Donald Trump thinks the Constitution is an apartment house on the Upper West Side. He has no understanding or respect for the role of government, and little interest.

He is a small, venal, vulgar little man. His weakness is increasingly obvious, despite the bluster.

He’s basically hosting a daily television reality show.

This is not government, and the shallowness of it all is stunning. As is the menace.

Condor060 said:

And its all you do every day. Not a word on anything positive just a non ending hate driven agenda.

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There is a big difference in hating a person's actions, and hating the person. You do understand this fact ?

It's not a question of the Left hating Trump too much that will contribute to his re-election. It's the fact that the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot. It's self-inflicted. As long as the Democratic candidates endorse very unpopular ideas such as free healthcare (not only emergency care but elective care too) to illegal aliens and reparation for slavery, they will have a hard time defeating the incumbent, which is always a difficult task. Also, arrogantly being sure that Trump can't and won't win re-election is a grave mistake.

TomFitz said:

I am actually surprised that anyone asks that question at this point.

Trump has banned reporters he doesn’t like for his midst, he has suggested the the broadcast licenses of news outlets be pulled for saying things he does not like.

He has openly admired dictators.

But more to the point, he has openly played with the idea of unilaterally extending his term.

His foreign policy retreat has emboldened the enemies of freedom all over the world.

What was once the “shining city on a hill” is now a shrine to bigotry, fear and xenophobia. Why? Because the man with the bully pulpit has made those things the core of his message.

He has tried to usurp the power of Congress.

Specifically the power of the purse, the advise and consent function (unless the advice happens to be for a right wing judicial nominee). He has filled his offices with hangers on, yes men and lobbyists, all unconfirmed, and “acting”.

He is on the verge of defying the US Supreme Court.

I’m not worried about Trump specifically.

He is a fool, and he has no plan or vision for the future.

But his conduct, and the feckless acquiescence of the GOP leadership has set a series of very dangerous precidents in Presidential power.

He has made it far more easy for the next pied piper, one with a plan, to usurp power and end democracy in this country.

This is why he needs to lose fights over abusing power.

Donald Trump thinks the Constitution is an apartment house on the Upper West Side. He has no understanding or respect for the role of government, and little interest.

He is a small, venal, vulgar little man. His weakness is increasingly obvious, despite the bluster.

He’s basically hosting a daily television reality show.

This is not government, and the shallowness of it all is stunning. As is the menace.

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Exactly. One of the most damaging legacies of the Trump presidency is the number of previously unthinkable precedents he is setting. This, among many other blunders, and it goes less publicized since the other blunders are shinier for the media, but it is one of the most dangerous ones. I really fear what some smarter opportunist might do with this legacy.

trixare4kids said:

He's fulfilled and still trying to fulfill his campaign promises to his base

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Besides the "GOP's" tax bill what campaign promise has tRump fulfilled or is even trying to?

trixare4kids said:

just like your Obama did. Do you really think Obama respected people when he misled and lied to them?

“I just want to be completely clear about this; I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren’t listening — if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan.”

Obama's Whoppers - FactCheck.org

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Do you even know why that turned out to be a "lie"? All you know is that you've been told it was a lie and that's all that matters to you. But actually when President Obama made that claim he believed it to be true. He was referencing the "Grandfather" provision in the ACA, as it turned out The Grandfathering provision was very restrictive and applied to health care plans in place before 23 March 2010 and only if the plans were not changed after the ACA was passed. But as he understood the ACA he wasn't lying.

But because in most case's, either because they weren't in place before 23 March 2010 or because they changed to meet minimums set by the ACA, previous health insurance plans were not able to be Grandfathered. Now whether you believe he didn't fully understand what he was talking about or that he just flat out premeditatively LIED , that is his ONE lie that everyone from the right uses to brand President Obama a consummate insidious liar. list other lies President Obama made during his EIGHT years in office, be rigorous and unforgiving as you do. List them all! They will NOT add up to one week of tRumps lies, probably not add up to tRumps worst DAY of lying.

So let me be completely clear about this; I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren't listening; if all you have is "if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan", you don't have ****. To call that a lie without looking at the underlying facts is ignores the WHOE TRUTH and is itself a lie.

Logician Man said:

There is a big difference in hating a person's actions, and hating the person. You do understand this fact ?

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Why don't you explain it because I have never seen that difference when Liberals are discussing Trump. They only know one thing. Hate Trump under any and all circumstances.

Condor060 said:

Why don't you explain it because I have never seen that difference when Liberals are discussing Trump. They only know one thing. Hate Trump under any and all circumstances.

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That's because you can't see the forest for the trees and you clearly don't understand liberals.

Hmmm...the article is a year old and recent Fox polls show almost every major D is thrashing Trump.

Yup, really backfiring...

nekrodev said:

The author is a moron and has no idea what they're talking about. Just the type of stuff you guys can't get enough of, because it reinforces your own ridiculous and ignorant opinions.

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Actually, if you're talking about the Psychology Today article it was pretty good, and was written as a wake up call to Liberals to argue the facts, not get personal and listen to the opposition so that a constructive dialogue can develop.

But that's not the ax 3left wanted to grind. 3left "tries" to present himself as a reasonable unbiased intellectual, and I think he really believes that. But his posts prove that he's anything but. He links a good article that makes a valid point, but ignores that fact that, though written by a Liberal for Liberals, it can apply equally to conservatives. He reveals his hatred and bias against Liberals in the first line of his post:

3leftsdoo said:

An interesting Psychology Today piece from last year on how liberal hysteria & rage over Trump will (and is already so doing) backfire:

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Those are 3left's words and don't appear in the article.

3leftsdoo said:

One example of this backfire effect is that I'm actually considering voting for the wildly imperfect Trump, something unthinkable to me in 2016.

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Right, if you've seen any of his previous posts you know that is a large load of BS, he is "wildly" devoted to tRump and the only thing that's "unthinkable" is looking at other candidates fairly.

3leftsdoo said:

Call it the Nixon '68 Effect, but Liberal/Democrat conduct is so shocking to me at this point that I feel a man as repulsive as Trump may be the safest course for the Republic as it weathers the onslaught of dangerous liberal/Democrat attacks on the Constitution itself.

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Another attack on "Liberal/Democrat(s)", but he doesn't say how they are making "attacks on the Constitution itself". But that's OK because, in his mind, it Liberals that are in a "hysterical rage over tRump". He certainly has no hysteria or rage over Liberals :roll:.

3leftsdoo said:

This very site has, in fact, caused me to recognize the extraordinary dangers liberals/Democrats represent - a dubious gift - and pushed me farther right.

Particularly odious are liberal attacks on free speech, the very foundation of our freedom.

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He actually had another thread that attacked Liberals for supposed attacks on "free speech" but it was just another biased attack built on a proposition, as this one, that only proved that 3left has tRump Devotion Sikness.

3leftsdoo said:

Calls for violent and/or unconstitutional reprisal against the president who is neither Obama nor Hillary remain quite disturbing as well.

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He's right every time Liberals go low and try to meet tRumps hatred, violence and fear with hatred, violence or fear we play into the Conservative "story" of it's the "Left that is the problem". As the article encourages we need to address the facts, discuss the issues, point out tRumps failings … calmly, logically and with a goal of understanding.

From the article:

3leftsdoo said:

There's an old Greek saying, "Anger takes out your eyes."

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And not are so blind as those that will not see; 3left.

3leftsdoo said:

 When obsession turns to anger, people are unable to see clearly and, as a result, they may say and do things that are inappropriate, regretful, and ultimately not helpful in achieving their desired aim. The obsession with suggesting that President Trump is mentally ill, or the Madonna suggestion to "bomb the White House," or Sarah Silverman calling for a military coup, or still others who called for impeachment during Trump's first month of a four year term, could backfire as more people voice a desire for more productive and respectful solutions.

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3leftsdoo said:

Amen.

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Absolutely right, Liberals need to avoid "hysterical rage" and violence because then the Hate, Fear and violence of the Right will become all too apparent.

Grand Mal said:

Come back when Bernie Sanders incites a crowd to throw out a protester saying he'll pay their legal bills. Come back when Bernie Sanders says something equal to..."If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks,” "Though the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Trump incites his crowds. That tee-shirt, which we've seen at his rallys, is a result of him calling the free press "the enemy of the people".
You guys can minimize this **** all you want. That idiot you elected is doing everything he can to divide and poison American society.

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Incapable of applying equal standards depending on the party of the politician. Got it.

Logician Man said:

That's because you can't see the forest for the trees and you clearly don't understand liberals.

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Oh Really? I tell ya what. You find me one Liberal who has made post about Trump on this site who is ok with Trump just not his policies. Now we will see who doesn't understand Liberals.

Condor060 said:

Oh Really? I tell ya what. You find me one Liberal who has made post about Trump on this site who is ok with Trump just not his policies. Now we will see who doesn't understand Liberals.

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There are over 36,000 DP members. Do you own damn homework.

Logician Man said:

There are over 36,000 DP members. Do you own damn homework.

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And you can't find one? Thats what I thought. I guess that claim that I can't see the forest for the trees and I don't understand liberals can be put to rest now.

Condor060 said:

And you can't find one? Thats what I thought. I guess that claim that I can't see the forest for the trees and I don't understand liberals can be put to rest now.

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Nope...It can be put to rest after you've done your homework and checked the posting history of those 36,000 DP members. Don't be so intellectually lazy, and count your chickens before they've hatched. ( Debating 101)

3leftsdoo said:

An interesting Psychology Today piece from last year on how liberal hysteria & rage over Trump will (and is already so doing) backfire:

Why the Left’s Obsession With Donald Trump Will Backfire | Psychology Today

One example of this backfire effect is that I'm actually considering voting for the wildly imperfect Trump, something unthinkable to me in 2016.

Call it the Nixon '68 Effect, but Liberal/Democrat conduct is so shocking to me at this point that I feel a man as repulsive as Trump may be the safest course for the Republic as it weathers the onslaught of dangerous liberal/Democrat attacks on the Constitution itself.

This very site has, in fact, caused me to recognize the extraordinary dangers liberals/Democrats represent - a dubious gift - and pushed me farther right.

Particularly odious are liberal attacks on free speech, the very foundation of our freedom.

Calls for violent and/or unconstitutional reprisal against the president who is neither Obama nor Hillary remain quite disturbing as well.

From the article:

There's an old Greek saying, "Anger takes out your eyes." When obsession turns to anger, people are unable to see clearly and, as a result, they may say and do things that are inappropriate, regretful, and ultimately not helpful in achieving their desired aim. The obsession with suggesting that President Trump is mentally ill, or the Madonna suggestion to "bomb the White House," or Sarah Silverman calling for a military coup, or still others who called for impeachment during Trump's first month of a four year term, could backfire as more people voice a desire for more productive and respectful solutions.

Amen.

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Your post and your link are ridiculous given that anger motivates people to vote and the biggest problem the Democrats have had in the past (and certainly was the reason Trump won in 2016) is that they don't show up to vote.

Anger is a great motivator to vote:

Though pundits and candidates suggest there is too much anger in politics, the emotion does have a potential benefit—it significantly motivates citizens to vote, according to a University of Michigan study.

“Anger in politics can play a particularly vital role, motivating some people to participate in ways they might ordinarily not,” said Nicholas Valentino, the study’s lead author and a professor of communication studies and political science. “We normally think people with a lot of resources and political skills are the ones who participate, but many citizens in this category regularly abstain from politics. Furthermore, many citizens with few resources can be mobilized if they experience strong anger.

“Anger leads citizens to harness existing skills and resources in a given election. Therefore, the process by which emotions are produced in each campaign can powerfully alter electoral outcomes.”

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I am the perfect example of this. I am 74 years old and have "never" voted before. My "hate" for Trump has made me and my wife (who has never voted before either) register to vote in 2020.

We will be voting against Trump, even if a cockroach is the opponent.

Trump has created so much anger and hate against him that most of the people that have never voted before are likely to vote this time. It must be kept in mind that:

2018: Democrats lead GOP by 12 million registered voters, 40% D, 29% R, 28% I

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Logician Man said:

Nope...It can be put to rest after you've done your homework and checked the posting history of those 36,000 DP members. Don't be so intellectually lazy, and count your chickens before they've hatched. ( Debating 101)

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I made the claim that Liberals only want to discuss their hate for Trump. You made the claim that I don't know anything about Liberals as some exist that only dislike Trump policies.

So the question is, are you just bulls**ting or are you actually talking from experience? If you were talking from actual experience it shouldn't be so difficult to come up with one single poster you are referencing with over 11,000 post to your credit.

So I called your bluff to provide one single Liberal poster on these boards and now all I am getting is gibberish.

If you can't back up your claims I suggest you not make them in the future.

Condor060 said:

Oh Really? I tell ya what. You find me one Liberal who has made post about Trump on this site who is ok with Trump just not his policies. Now we will see who doesn't understand Liberals.

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That's a bogus challenge. Find me one conservative that has posted they are OK with HRC just not her policies? Now we'll see who's a doo doo head? :roll:

Condor060 said:

I made the claim that Liberals only want to discuss their hate for Trump.

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And you're wrong there are plenty of Liberal posts here that have nothing to do with tRump.

Condor060 said:

You made the claim that I don't know anything about Liberals as some exist that only dislike Trump policies.

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I'd say that your somewhat correct, you probably do know "something" about Liberals, just not much; and I don't think you care to because you're positive the right is right. :roll:

Condor060 said:

So the question is, are you just bulls**ting or are you actually talking from experience? If you were talking from actual experience it shouldn't be so difficult to come up with one single poster you are referencing with over 11,000 post to your credit.

So I called your bluff to provide one single Liberal poster on these boards and now all I am getting is gibberish.

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I'm a "single poster", and yes I don't like tRump; I think he is morally bankrupt and is an embarrassment to our Country. BUT!!!! IF he were not pResident, as when he wasn't president, I can assure you I wouldn't give him a passing thought. OVERWHELMINGLY I think his policies and motivation for them are corrupt and misguided and doubt HIS support for them are motivated by anything more than they fire up his base's support for HIM.

Condor060 said:

If you can't back up your claims I suggest you not make them in the future.

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Good advice, you should follow it.

Condor060 said:

I made the claim that Liberals only want to discuss their hate for Trump. You made the claim that I don't know anything about Liberals as some exist that only dislike Trump policies.

So the question is, are you just bulls**ting or are you actually talking from experience? If you were talking from actual experience it shouldn't be so difficult to come up with one single poster you are referencing with over 11,000 post to your credit.

So I called your bluff to provide one single Liberal poster on these boards and now all I am getting is gibberish.

If you can't back up your claims I suggest you not make them in the future.

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Then back up your positive claim you admit you made and meet your Burden of Proof. problem solved... Correct ?

There's no way Trump can win, so we need to elect a true liberal, not some Republican-light.

eohrnberger said:

Incapable of applying equal standards depending on the party of the politician. Got it.

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Oh, the standards can be as equal as you want and Trump will still exceed them. He's been dropping the bar by inches and you lot have followed him all the way. You can't even remember anymore how a President should conduct himself and present himself. Got anything to say about that quote you just glossed over? "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks, though the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.” Got a new way to try to make that innocuous or are you willing to admit to what he's implying there?

Logician Man said:

That's because you can't see the forest for the trees and you clearly don't understand liberals.

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Sure we do. For example, all one would have to do is read the posts from the left, and then you, Mr. Independent, will understand the depth of the Trump hate and despair.

Condor060 said:

Oh Really? I tell ya what. You find me one Liberal who has made post about Trump on this site who is ok with Trump just not his policies. Now we will see who doesn't understand Liberals.

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:agree

Logician Man said:

Nope...It can be put to rest after you've done your homework and checked the posting history of those 36,000 DP members. Don't be so intellectually lazy, and count your chickens before they've hatched. ( Debating 101)

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You made the claim, hence, the onus is on you to prove he doesn't understand liberals.

Pretty funny watching you attempt to shift the burden of proof; logic :failpail: