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Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

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Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

He's says that he's a Democratic Socialist. All businesses must post anti-discrimination notices and its enforcement is one of the few functioning activities the government still does. He enforces equality and is anti-imperialist.

I almost forgot.... universal health care!

At least on person one this forum believes that Nicolas Maduro would be an improvement over the current President of the USA. What say you?
 
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Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

He's says that he's a Democratic Socialist. All businesses must post anti-discrimination notices and its enforcement is one of the few functioning activities the government still does. He enforces equality and is anti-imperialist.

At least on person on this forum believes that Nicolas Maduro would be an improvement over the current President of the USA. What say you?

Well he fails to pass on the "democratic" front for starters. I´m not sure you could even class him as a Chavista, given that he fails to allow a referendum on his removal. Something that is mandated by the consitution put into place by Hugo Chavez. He´s simply a thug.

Furthermore socialism would imply taking the means of production and giving them to the workers. Taking the means of production and giving them to your freinds and family doesn´t count. If he is a socialist then so is Gengis Khan.

Lastly universal healthcare existed under Churchill (and indeed under Thatcher) in the 1950s and a socialist he was not.
 
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Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

He's says that he's a Democratic Socialist. All businesses must post anti-discrimination notices and its enforcement is one of the few functioning activities the government still does. He enforces equality and is anti-imperialist.

At least on person on this forum believes that Nicolas Maduro would be an improvement over the current President of the USA. What say you?

Nicholas Maduro is continuing the political ideology of Hugo Chávez known as "Chavismo" that combines elements of socialism, populism, nationalism, internationalism, and Bolivarianism with cultist domestic violence and endemic regime corruption.

There is no similar ideology anywhere else in the world.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

I haven't heard of anyone actually supporting Maduro as much as not supporting a US backed coup.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

I haven't heard of anyone actually supporting Maduro as much as not supporting a US backed coup.

How hard is it to see the difference between a brutal dictator and a president chosen by the democratically elected representatives of the nation?
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Democracy does not guarantee freedom nor inalienable rights. Even if Chavez were legitimately elected, a president that struts around waving his hand to decree "expropriate it" qualifies as a dictator.

How hard is it to see the difference between a brutal dictator and a president chosen by the democratically elected representatives of the nation?
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Democracy does not guarantee freedom nor inalienable rights.

Liberal democracy does.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

How hard is it to see the difference between a brutal dictator and a president chosen by the democratically elected representatives of the nation?

They can exist together and they arguably do in Venezuela.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

They can exist together and they arguably do in Venezuela.

So in other words you support the Maduro dictatorship and not the democratically elected leader.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

So in other words you support the Maduro dictatorship and not the democratically elected leader.

Who are you talking about?
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

You raise an interesting point. Even if Juan Guaido replaced Maduro, the Maduro dictatorship underneath him would still be in place. Is the dechavezization of Venezuela politically possible?

So in other words you support the Maduro dictatorship and not the democratically elected leader.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

Who are you talking about?

If you think they can both exist then clearly you support the continued existence of Maduro's regime.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

You raise an interesting point. Even if Juan Guaido replaced Maduro, the Maduro dictatorship underneath him would still be in place. Is the dechavezization of Venezuela politically possible?

Guaido has his own people and the legitimate parliament.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

If you think they can both exist then clearly you support the continued existence of Maduro's regime.

Who was elected other than Maduro? I don't support Maduro and I don't support more US intervention. If you want another huge foreign policy mistake try to get your own government do it.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

So in other words you support the Maduro dictatorship and not the democratically elected leader.

Juan Guiado was not elected president. He's a US puppet and legislator most of Venezuala reportedly had not heard of when the US tried to force him into the presidency. As MrPeanut said, we don't like Maduro, but we like a US coup less. Stop asking about Maduro and deal with the real issue, the US sanctions waging economic war on the country. That's what we need to end.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

Guaido has his own people and the legitimate parliament.

Who elected Guaido?
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

You raise an interesting point. Even if Juan Guaido replaced Maduro, the Maduro dictatorship underneath him would still be in place. Is the dechavezization of Venezuela politically possible?

Is a return to Venezuela as US puppet, selling its oil to the Koch company cheaply, removing democracy, programs to help the poor majority of Venezuela, returning a (more) corrupt ruling class possible? Hopefully not. We're trying to make that seem like a better option by waging economic war with the sanctions. Just like Russia is bribing Kentucky with a $200 million factory for Kentucky's poor is corrupting McConnell not to sanction Russia.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

Who was elected other than Maduro? I don't support Maduro and I don't support more US intervention. If you want another huge foreign policy mistake try to get your own government do it.

Juan Guiado was not elected president. He's a US puppet and legislator most of Venezuala reportedly had not heard of when the US tried to force him into the presidency. As MrPeanut said, we don't like Maduro, but we like a US coup less. Stop asking about Maduro and deal with the real issue, the US sanctions waging economic war on the country. That's what we need to end.

Guiado, he was elected by the legitimate democratically elected parliament of Venezuela. The issue is Maduro being a brutal dictator.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

Guiado, he was elected by the legitimate democratically elected parliament of Venezuela. The issue is Maduro being a brutal dictator.

But Maduro was also democratically elected. Granted the election results are shady, maduro was elected to the position of president.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

So you would rather see the oil given to Cuba for free than allegedly sold to Koch cheaply? As long as we're talking about oil being sold cheaply, is selling it cheaply to China and Russia a good thing? Venezuela is already a colony/puppet of Cuba. The ordinary Venezuelan is already completely disenfranchised.

Is a return to Venezuela as US puppet, selling its oil to the Koch company cheaply, removing democracy, programs to help the poor majority of Venezuela, returning a (more) corrupt ruling class possible? Hopefully not. We're trying to make that seem like a better option by waging economic war with the sanctions. Just like Russia is bribing Kentucky with a $200 million factory for Kentucky's poor is corrupting McConnell not to sanction Russia.
 
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Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

He has that against the colectivos, Cuban agents, Russian agents, the Venezuelan military, the court system, drug cartels and much more. As great as it is to fix things, it might be a fool's errand.

Guaido has his own people and the legitimate parliament.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

Guiado, he was elected by the legitimate democratically elected parliament of Venezuela. The issue is Maduro being a brutal dictator.

The issue between us is that you claimed I supported Maduro because I do not support the US involving itself in Venezuelan politics. The fact that he is a brutal leader doesn't mean we should pour resources into his removal. After all, our current president can't stop gushing about Kim Jong-un and the Kim legacy is even worse. The reason the United States is involving itself has nothing to do with Maduro being a horrible human being and everything to do with its oil reserves. Bolton let that cat out of the bag a while ago.

John Bolton'''s Month-Long P.R. Campaign Against Venezuela | Time

Perhaps most brazenly, Bolton appeared in an interview on Fox Business and disclosed that the U.S. government was in talks with American corporations on how to capitalize on Venezuela’s oil reserves, which are proven to be the world’s largest.

“We’re in conversation with major American companies now,” he said. “I think we’re trying to get to the same end result here. … It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies really invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela.”


You can hate Maduro and still be against intervention.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

But Maduro was also democratically elected. Granted the election results are shady, maduro was elected to the position of president.

In a shady election, meanwhile Guiado was elected by the parliament which was elected in the last fair one.
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

In a shady election, meanwhile Guiado was elected by the parliament which was elected in the last fair one.

Was gaido elected as president? or was he elected the head of parliament ?
 
Re: Does Nicolas Maduro "check most of the boxes" for a woke, "progressive" elected official?

Was gaido elected as president? or was he elected the head of parliament ?

He was elected president by the parliament, the last legitimate institution. Maduro created a new legislature with the power to change the Constitution and filled it with his cronies to replace it.
 
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