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Why I Became a Conservative

soooo, because of a complete ignorance or misunderstanding of politics, the English language, and the general behavior of human beings? sounds about right. I'm sure you were super liberal in supporting center-right Democrat candidates that never bothered challenging or progressing anything.

If your primary concern was ever the well-being of this nation and its people, then you could not possibly have gone from being liberal to conservative.
 
That's how you chose to interpret what he said.

It seems a fair interpretation. Lowdown said in the opening post:

Becoming conservative is a process of maturation, of acquiring experience, of gaining wisdom, and these days especially, of rejecting the self loathing and abnegation required of members of the left."

and

"Thankfully, while these guilt trips used to work on me, no longer. Their white guilt is their problem, not mine."

Cardinal replied in post #61:

Ah. It sounds like you may have used "wetback" or the n word one too many times in the wrong company, and fled to a political party that would be more accepting of your behavior.

How would you interpret that?
 
It seems a fair interpretation. Lowdown said in the opening post:



Cardinal replied in post #61:



How would you interpret that?
Woooooooooooosh!

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Becoming conservative is a process of maturation, of acquiring experience, of gaining wisdom, and these days especially, of rejecting the self loathing and abnegation required of members of the left.

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The only correct answer on why one becomes a conservative is because they shave with a chainsaw and needed a chainsaw shaving friendly ideology.
 
Well here's a fun fact for you. President Barack Obama signed an emergency declaration for Michigan in January 2016 — a move that allowed for federal resources to aid in the response to the lead contamination in the city’s water supply.

There’s a distinction between that emergency and the national emergency declared by Trump, which cites the National Emergencies Act and aims to divert billions in federal funds to finance the wall.

The emergency declaration signed by Obama was a designation under the Stafford Act, a disaster relief law, that allowed for federal aid of up to $5 million (not including additional assistance from federal agencies that didn’t require the declaration). Such emergency declarations bolster state or local “efforts in providing emergency services, such as the protection of lives, property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States,” the Federal Emergency Management Agency notes.

The federal government’s response included measures such as distributing water and providing water filters and water sampling. The emergency declaration ended in August 2016. Obama also signed the Water Infrastructure Improvements for the Nation (WIIN) Act in December 2016. The act provided $170 million for communities grappling with drinking water emergencies and Flint was specifically mentioned as an intended recipient.

President Barack Obama did more for the economy than any other president in times of a deep recession.

1. Ended the 2008 Recession


In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects.

The recession ended in July 2009 when GDP growth turned positive.

In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust 3.9 percent rate by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.

2. Modernized the Auto Industry

Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving three million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel efficient and therefore more globally competitive

3. Received the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

On October 9, 2009, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. The Committee lauded "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." He withdrew troops from Iraq in 2011. He reduced the U.S. nuclear warhead stockpile by 10 percent.

4. Reformed Health Care

On March 23, 2010, the Affordable Care Act revolutionized healthcare. By 2014, the economy benefited from having 95 percent of the population on health insurance.

And here's a fact for you. The Flint water problem had nothing to do with the federal government, however numerous Michigan state employees were criminally charged and a number of officials charged with felonies over mismanagement and willful malfeasance in that whole situation. Even though the Michigan governor seriously mismanaged the whole thing and refused to testify before Congress, a lot did get fixed. President Obama did get involved in Jan 2016 and authorized $5 million in emergency funds to get potable water to Flint. After extensive studies and investigation, in December 2017, the Republican controlled congress did authorize $170 million in grants to upgrade Flint's water system and get rid of the lead pipes that caused it. In January, 2017, none of that money had been released yet, but Flint's lead levels had already dropped to below the federal safe limit and their water was again potable though the citizens were not convinced. In March 2017, the EPA provided $100 million for Flint to get going on repairs and upgrades to their water system and continues to be proactive in helping with the problem.

Obama's peace prize, when he had done zero to merit it, was an embarassment even to him. And it maybe forever cheapened the prize to be strictly political fawning and gesturing and therefore meaningless.

The Affordable Care Act was the major boondoggle of the Obama Administration, the number one factor in the miserable recovery he presided over, and even the most of the current crop of Democrats running for President are either ignoring it or knocking it.
 
Many are not any of those things...
I assume, some of them, are fine people...

I am pretty adept with sarcasm, my friend, and I am not one to debate with caricatures and cartoons. Someday, not sure when, I expect the Republican party will rid itself of the riff-raff, but until they do, and thoroughly and explicitly, the party will continue to shrink. GOP shrinks as young and ‘NeverTrumpers’ walk away, increasing Donald Trump’s power in the party.* It's both demographics and ideology. The GOP doesn't offer anything except negativity - which is why Trump. But, seriously, the GOP isn't "conservative" anymore. Increasingly it is held in thrall by those who spout the term, but don't follow the logic or traditions of conservatism. I won't say "values" because that hasn't been in vogue for decades.

The problem with "conservatism" as a rallying cry is that it is different things to different people. Social conservatives, economic conservatives and religious conservatives have different interests, sometimes overlapping, but nearly as often oppositional. Mostly what the GOP is anymore is anti - anti-gay, anti-diversity, anti-intellectual, anti-anything-that-even-hints-at-left - and that is not an attractive approach that engenders loyalty. It's not that I want to cure the party - I think it is well beyond that - or that I am, by definition, a lefty or Democrat. I'm just observing. The things that I value no longer have a home in the party, and I think that is too bad, but I'm not heartbroken about that, either.


* Juan Williams: Trump's incredible shrinking GOP (The Hill):
In 2012, 48 percent of Republicans were non-college-educated whites. By 2018, with Trump as president, that figure had risen to 59 percent.

In 2012, 40 percent of Republicans were college-educated whites. In 2018, under Trump’s leadership, that number had fallen to just 29 percent.

In the 2018 midterms, Republicans lost white voters with a college education by 8 percentage points. They won among whites without a college education by 24 percentage points.

By the way, the report notes the current GOP is dominated by white men.

When Democrats won 40 House seats in the 2018 midterms, “women voted Democrat for Congress by a record margin and by a record gap compared to men.”

Republicans had a 4-point edge with men, but a 19-point deficit with women — a “net 23-point difference by gender,” as the report pointed out.
So, that "big tent" doesn't hold people of color, women, or educated men. Really, really big tent, that.
 
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Oh, dear, you don't read the news, do you? El Paso- could not be more clear that Trump didn't influence his views. Dayton, OH- total leftie. Gilroy, CA- hated Trump.
You should inform yourself because that^^ is just not based in any fact.

Maybe turn of CNN...

Sorry but:

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Here, read about it:

A man drove more than 10 hours to a Walmart in the Texas border city of El Paso Saturday, reportedly intending to kill Latinx people and immigrants. Minutes before he shot dozens of people, a racist, xenophobic manifesto appeared on the 8chan online forum, warning readers of a “Hispanic invasion” of Texas. Federal officials believe the shooter wrote it.

The language used to describe Mexican Americans and Latinx immigrants was shocking — not just because of the hatred and racism it revealed, but because it was similar to the language repeated by the president of the United States.

Lawmakers and critics have pointed out that the shooter may have been imitating Trump’s rhetoric about an “invasion” of “people” and “illegal immigrants.” During a recent campaign rally in the Florida panhandle, for example, Trump used the word “invasion” seven times in less than a minute.
 
Incredible and a perfect example of how a conservative thinks and analyzes things.

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Congratulations on your OP. You just proved that we are heading back instead of heading forward. You are a true Conservative that is still living in the past and that has no ability to do anything new...

We can move from democracy to less democracy, from freedom to less freedom, from equality to less equality, and those are the directions the left appears to want to go. But to do so isn’t progress, it’s moving backwards. It’s not doing something new, it is returning to the past
 
Whole thing being conservative is also about context but I can't find that important nuance in OP. By that I mean you can be conservative in many ways depending what's in focus. There is some reason to be conservative in some areas, when evidence is overwhelming strong (like earth is round - so we can keep that in any situation and be counted as conservative when it comes to our thinking about shape of earth). But if you think that conservativeness is always good no matter what's the context - you're just fool. You need to proof how your way to think is reasonable related to subject X (X can be whatever).

Being conservative is bad when it's slowing you down, making your thinking "too solid" - so you're going to lose some self-criticism too (or all of it). When conservativeness is covering all aspects of your life, you live in delusional bubble, where everything is good inside and everything bad is out there where people think differently.

I can only agree, and the sentiment applies to the liberal left as well.
 
"I became a conservative by being around liberals and I became a libertarian by being around conservatives." - Greg Gutfeld

You can always find a facet of libertarianism to like, but that’s not an advantage, I’m afraid. Put another way, libertarians are always telling each other that they are not real libertarians.
 
We can move from democracy to less democracy, from freedom to less freedom, from equality to less equality, and those are the directions the left appears to want to go. But to do so isn’t progress, it’s moving backwards. It’s not doing something new, it is returning to the past

Oh really? You mean that Trump defying Constitutional rules and laws is giving us more freedom? More equality? Him trying to force his will and his desires makes us more in control of our lives?

There is blind and then there is BLIND!

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Many on the left have a complete lack of self-awareness not self-loathing so I disagree with your characterization.

You are correct. Left wingers are usually shocked and angered when we say it looks to us like self loathing. But, in fact, it is self loathing even if they fancy themselves being virtuous.
 
Oh really? You mean that Trump defying Constitutional rules and laws is giving us more freedom? More equality? Him trying to force his will and his desires makes us more in control of our lives?

Yes, when Trump uses his executive powers to cut regulations and taxes it is promoting more freedom. And greater economic prosperity for minorities promotes more equality.

Trump was elected to follow certain policies. Policies so democratically decided does not equate to “forcing his will” on people.
 
Hilarious because I became a liberal when I attended Liberty University.

No doubt reactionary identity formation. Whether it's good or bad is determined by the results. If you ended up as an angry self loathing woke SJW with some bizarre political identification or another I'd say it was a failure, but a good outcome is possible.
 
I don't understand how the Left sustains their anger, frankly. The constant cynicism is destroying their very souls.

Cynicism of the Left? Trump was elected thanks to how much he raged against minorities.
 
Yes, when Trump uses his executive powers to cut regulations and taxes it is promoting more freedom. And greater economic prosperity for minorities promotes more equality.

Trump was elected to follow certain policies. Policies so democratically decided does not equate to “forcing his will” on people.

So the oath he took when he became president to defend the Constitution is meaningless?
 
All threads at some point reach a level of inanity and peter out from a lack content. When one starts, as this one did, with a false premise ("the self loathing and abnegation required of members of the left") and obvious lie ("Becoming conservative is a process of maturation" - I laughed so hard at that one that I thought I'd peed my pants, then realized I'd merely spilled my coffee in my lap) it is almost guaranteed to do so by the first response. In that regard, I was not disappointed. In all other regards, of course... I do have a serious question, though: is life so bad for you that this is entertaining? It makes me sad, really.
 
You can always find a facet of libertarianism to like, but that’s not an advantage, I’m afraid. Put another way, libertarians are always telling each other that they are not real libertarians.
You are absolutely right.. . . . I do it daily on another forum. . . . But in my case I am always right.
 
No doubt reactionary identity formation. Whether it's good or bad is determined by the results. If you ended up as an angry self loathing woke SJW with some bizarre political identification or another I'd say it was a failure, but a good outcome is possible.

One of the reasons was deep hatred of LGBT people.
 
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