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The Charlotesville hoax that won't die.

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Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
 
An objective view of Trump’s comments;

Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

Here’s where Trump is fundamentally wrong. He seems to think that the rally consisted of some neo-Nazis over here and some others over there who were simply there to protest the plans to move the Lee statue. That is simply not true. This was not some protest organized by history buffs who think that the statue should stay because that’s one way for us to understand the past. This was always an event organized by white nationalists. The history-minded people who genuinely believe we shouldn’t take down Confederate statues because their presence can be informative about an uncomfortable past were never part of this event — and had the good sense to stay far, far, far away. Anyone who showed up to march was knowingly joining a white supremacist rally.

So when Trump says of the rally that “there were very fine people on both sides,” he may think there were some fine people on the pro-statue side in Charlottesville that day, but there weren’t. There were only white supremacists. So, yes, when Trump said there “were very fine people on both sides,” he was talking about white supremacists. Maybe he didn’t think he was — but he did. And he should have known better.

Editorial: Did Trump really say white supremacists were 'very fine people'? We examine. | Editorials | roanoke.com
 
RaleBulgarian said:
An objective view of Trump’s comments;

Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

Here’s where Trump is fundamentally wrong. He seems to think that the rally consisted of some neo-Nazis over here and some others over there who were simply there to protest the plans to move the Lee statue. That is simply not true. This was not some protest organized by history buffs who think that the statue should stay because that’s one way for us to understand the past. This was always an event organized by white nationalists. The history-minded people who genuinely believe we shouldn’t take down Confederate statues because their presence can be informative about an uncomfortable past were never part of this event — and had the good sense to stay far, far, far away. Anyone who showed up to march was knowingly joining a white supremacist rally.

So when Trump says of the rally that “there were very fine people on both sides,” he may think there were some fine people on the pro-statue side in Charlottesville that day, but there weren’t. There were only white supremacists. So, yes, when Trump said there “were very fine people on both sides,” he was talking about white supremacists. Maybe he didn’t think he was — but he did. And he should have known better.

Editorial: Did Trump really say white supremacists were 'very fine people'? We examine. | Editorials | roanoke.com
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It then comes down to what Trump meant by "that group" - was it all (who he ever saw pictures of) protesting the statue removal or was it a (specific headline?) picture of only that day's (night's?) protestors? Both arguments carry some weight, yet we know that Trump has lied in the past about what he saw on the TV news (thousands of cheering Muslims on NJ rooftops on 9/11/2001).
 
KLATTU said:
Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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I completely agree.

What I don't understand is why the left hates the citizens of Charlottesville and why they don't believe there are any fine people who live there.
 
Sorry but anyone, anyone protesting the removal of Confederate statues is a racist.
 
ocean515 said:
I completely agree.

What I don't understand is why the left hates the citizens of Charlottesville and why they don't believe there are any fine people who live there.
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They are not fine if the choose to stand side by side in a demonstration with Neo Nazi Scum.

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Why isn't this crap in Conspiracy?
 
KLATTU said:
Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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People are going to believe what they want to believe. Some will create a narrative to convince other people that what they claim is what should be believed.

The facts show that regardless of what was claimed, Trump clearly stated that he did not refer to White Supremacists or Nazi's. and in FACT the record also shows that he condemned them clearly and categorically in that same press conference.

The facts also show there were ANTIFA in Charlottesville too. Does anyone honestly believe he was referring to them when he said "very fine people ON BOTH SIDES?"

If one is going to assume the worst and claim he intentionally praise white supremacists/Nazis, one must also assert he was praising the other side of "both sides," ANTIFA.

That would make him a supporter of the extreme LEFT, right?

Regardless of belief, it is clear that Mr. Trump was not praising either Nazi's or White Supremacists. No matter how one looks at this, the FACTS do not support this lie.

This is just another example of propaganda designed to show something that did not happen, but stokes emotional rather than rational responses.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It then comes down to what Trump meant by "that group" - was it all (who he ever saw pictures of) protesting the statue removal or was it a (specific headline?) picture of only that day's (night's?) protestors? Both arguments carry some weight, yet we know that Trump has lied in the past about what he saw on the TV news (thousands of cheering Muslims on NJ rooftops on 9/11/2001).
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Direct quote from President Trump:

Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”​

There is nothing ambiguous about what the President said.

The Press lied, and their target audience continues to push the lie.

End of story.
 
KLATTU said:
Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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As I understand it.

1. There were people demonstrating to keep the statue, and others who were demonstrating to take it down.
2. No problem, people can peacefully demonstrate.
3. Then there were Nazis and Antifa.
4. These are the people who caused trouble.

Trump was talking about 1 & 2, but he didn't communicate it well.
 
It's like saying

There were some fine people on both sides in World War 2, Allies side and Nazi Germany side. I don't mean the Nazi's, but just other people fighting on their side. And yes, there was also the violent, vicious group of people on Allies side.

And heck, technically it's even true - some German people near the end of war were just protecting their homes in the end, right? Yet the statement tries to equate the two sides nonetheless. A typical racist argument.
 
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PeteEU said:
They are not fine if the choose to stand side by side in a demonstration with Neo Nazi Scum.

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Agreed.

But why does the left believe the entire population of the Charlottesville would be standing side by side with Neo Nazi Scum?
 
ocean515 said:
Direct quote from President Trump:

Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”​

There is nothing ambiguous about what the President said.

The Press lied, and their target audience continues to push the lie.

End of story.
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That same quote was in the post to which I relied. As I said, it all comes down to who was in "that group" - all Trump needs to do is to show us "the same pictures" (of that group) which he was referring to and point out the "very fine people" in them.

Need we (including you) be reminded that nobody was ever able to produce the TV news footage that Trump allegedly saw on 9/11 with thousands of cheering Muslims on NJ rooftops?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
That same quote was in the post to which I relied. As I said, it all comes down to who was in "that group" - all Trump needs to do is to show us "the pictures" (of that group) which he was referring to and point out the "very fine people" in them.
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Personally, I don't think the President needs to do anything. He came out later after the liberal press and their trained audience went ballistic and restated exactly what his views were.

To take it any further is to argue with patients in the asylum.
 
Revisionist history aside, Tweety is a racist.
 
ocean515 said:
I completely agree.

What I don't understand is why the left hates the citizens of Charlottesville and why they don't believe there are any fine people who live there.
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There are no fine people that stand with White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi scum. Period.
 
KLATTU said:
Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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So who were the group marching that night carrying torches and chanting jews will not replace us? The historical society?
 
ocean515 said:
Agreed.

But why does the left believe the entire population of the Charlottesville would be standing side by side with Neo Nazi Scum?
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No one said the entire population of Charlottesville. Do show where someone said the ENTIRE population. Was the ENTIRE population of Charlottesville at the rally? No.
 
ocean515 said:
Personally, I don't think the President needs to do anything. He came out later after the liberal press and their trained audience went ballistic and restated exactly what his views were.

To take it any further is to argue with patients in the asylum.
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Implying that any who disagree with you are insane is not a great idea. Trump has often said very odd things and then come out to "clarify" what he really meant - often using an entirely different argument or example.

My point was simple - if one said that they saw "the same pictures" of "that group" which included "very fine people" then simply show the press "those same pictures" and point out the "very fine people" in them. Are you asserting that is an insane idea?
 
Praxas said:
No one said the entire population of Charlottesville. Do show where someone said the ENTIRE population. Was the ENTIRE population of Charlottesville at the rally? No.
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The left doesn't believe there are any fine people who live there. Been claiming that for a couple of years now.

Why does the left think every citizen in Charlottesville are bad people?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It then comes down to what Trump meant by "that group" - was it all (who he ever saw pictures of) protesting the statue removal or was it a (specific headline?) picture of only that day's (night's?) protestors? Both arguments carry some weight, yet we know that Trump has lied in the past about what he saw on the TV news (thousands of cheering Muslims on NJ rooftops on 9/11/2001).
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He has no credibility.
 
ocean515 said:
The left doesn't believe there are any fine people who live there. Been claiming that for a couple of years now.

Why does the left think every citizen in Charlottesville are bad people?
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Why don't you show a quote of the person who represents "from the left" saying that ALL of Charlottesville are bad people. Why do you feel the need to lie? I mean really, what makes you post an obvious lie, are you taking lessons about how to lie badly from Trump himself?
 
ocean515 said:
The left doesn't believe there are any fine people who live there. Been claiming that for a couple of years now.

Why does the left think every citizen in Charlottesville are bad people?
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^^ Inflammatory garbage comment.
 
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