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Greenland

I love how everyone is seemingly treating Greenland as if it is does not have its own population with a right to self-determination.
Technically it does not as it is a Danish Colony.. They are treated much like the people of Puerto Rico, an illusion of self determination, but in reality the final say is back home with Congress/Parliament.

Only real difference is that Greenland has representation with voting rights in the Danish Parliament, where as the people if Puerto Rico don't.

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What about buying Australia?
 
Somebody in a meeting pointed out that Denmark was having trouble assisting Greenland and that Trump should buy it. I think it was meant more as joke, but apparently Trump seems to have taken to the idea. I don't think it'll happen but the idea is kind of intriguing.

I think Trump is continuing the joke.

President Trump is good at jerking liberal chains.
 
Technically it does not as it is a Danish Colony.. They are treated much like the people of Puerto Rico, an illusion of self determination, but in reality the final say is back home with Congress/Parliament.

Only real difference is that Greenland has representation with voting rights in the Danish Parliament, where as the people if Puerto Rico don't.

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They have a right to self-determination if they choose and doesn't matter what Denmark thinks about it. From what I have read that is what they are choosing, a slow cautious progress towards independence.
 
Where would the US get the money? The last offer in 1946 was 100 million which is about 1.3 billion today. Considering the ressources there, the price would be more like 500+ billion now.

That is you could get around the PR nightmare of explaining how the US is buying 55k people.

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Mr. Trump won't need any money at all. Once his crushing economic sanctions take full effect, Denmark will sell Greenland to the United States of America for US$1.00.

Don't you pay ANY attention to how successful Mr. Trump's diplomacy has been?

PS - It actually makes more sense for Canada to buy Greenland than it does for the US to buy Greenland.
 
I love how everyone is seemingly treating Greenland as if it is does not have its own population with a right to self-determination.

What does that have to do with anything? Denmark owns Greenland and has the right to sell it if it feels like doing so. After all France sold Louisiana without any Americans expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination", and Spain sold the Philippines without any Americans expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination", and Russia sold Alaska without any Americans expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination", and no Americans were expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination" over Hawai'i.
 
What does that have to do with anything? Denmark owns Greenland and has the right to sell it if it feels like doing so. After all France sold Louisiana without any Americans expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination", and Spain sold the Philippines without any Americans expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination", and Russia sold Alaska without any Americans expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination", and no Americans were expressing concerns about any "population with a right to self-determination" over Hawai'i.

Times have changed. Do you not believe that Greenlanders have the right to decide their own future? Just like how African colonies had the right to govern themselves or Quebec has the right to leave Canada.
 
Technically it does not as it is a Danish Colony..

"With the 1953 Danish constitution, Greenland's colonial status ended as the island was incorporated into the Danish realm as an amt (county). Danish citizenship was extended to Greenlanders.".

This is much the same situation as Hawai'i had when it became a state.

The main differences, of course, are that Greenland was never an independent country that Denmark had granted diplomatic recognition to (as the US had to Hawai'i) and Greenland is moving towards full autonomy (which would be considered treason if Hawai'i tried it).

They are treated much like the people of Puerto Rico, an illusion of self determination, but in reality the final say is back home with Congress/Parliament.

Well, if you don't consider policing, judicial system, company law, accounting, and auditing; mineral resource activities; aviation; law of legal capacity, family law and succession law; aliens and border controls; the working environment; and financial regulation and supervision you are quite correct.

Only real difference is that Greenland has representation with voting rights in the Danish Parliament, where as the people if Puerto Rico don't.

The Greenlanders have more or less the same "skin pigmentation level" as the Danes do. You don't think that that might have something to do with the difference, do you?
 
Times have changed. Do you not believe that Greenlanders have the right to decide their own future? Just like how African colonies had the right to govern themselves or Quebec has the right to leave Canada.

I am not the government of the United States of America so it doesn't really matter what I think. If the government of the United States of America thinks that it's just peachy-keen to buy and sell people (without giving those people any say in the matter), then that is exactly what it is going to do.

However, under the laws that currently prevail, the Greenlanders DO have the right to independence and self-determination. Should Denmark sell Greenland to the United States of America that situation would end.

Quite frankly, the dumping of the African colonies at the pace demanded by the US government was likely one of the worst things that could be done. This, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with Greenland.

Under Canadian law Quebec DOES have the right to leave Canada PROVIDED that it does so in accord with the laws of Canada. This, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with Greenland.
 

Not exactly.

First off we dont have Amts any more as they have been changed to something else .. basically massive Amts but called something else.

Secondly those are all nice words and such about Greenland, but the reality is different. For example, if a Greenlander gets arrested and convicted, he or she can be held "forever" for some reason. Basically there is a disconnect between the legal status of Greenlander criminals and Danish ones. Another example is that Greenland does not have a prison to hold its criminals, so they are exported to Denmark.

Basically Greenland is still a colony and is often treated as such when it suits mother Denmark.

The main differences, of course, are that Greenland was never an independent country that Denmark had granted diplomatic recognition to (as the US had to Hawai'i) and Greenland is moving towards full autonomy (which would be considered treason if Hawai'i tried it).

Greenland will never have full autonomy.

1) The riches in the underground that Trump wants, well Denmark aint gonna give that up to a bunch of drunk seal hunters.
2) The present Greenland administration is fully dependent on money from Denmark and would not have the financial ability with full autonomy to run a society that they are use too. There is no university in Greenland, so they would have to send their young out to become doctors and such elsewhere. With 55k people, making an University aint exactly a given.
3) The social issues within the Greenland population is a serious one that it is simply not possible to be fully autonomous and even the Greenlanders admit this. Alcohol abuse is a MASSIVE problem.. think American Indian reservations. Only real difference is how they became abusers.

Well, if you don't consider policing, judicial system, company law, accounting, and auditing; mineral resource activities; aviation; law of legal capacity, family law and succession law; aliens and border controls; the working environment; and financial regulation and supervision you are quite correct.

They are not fully in charge of any of those and not able to take fully charge of most of them.

The Greenlanders have more or less the same "skin pigmentation level" as the Danes do. You don't think that that might have something to do with the difference, do you?

LOL no they dont. They are an inuit people, so they have closer ties to the American and Canadian Indians and inuit populations than Danes.

Listen I am proud of having Greenland as part of my nation, but I am not proud of how we have treated them and in many ways still do. But at the same time most Greenlanders will agree with me, that they have some serious social problems that are quite unique and frankly are holding their population back. It is the age old fight between keeping to traditions while trying to get benefits of the 21st century... it does not always work well.
 
I think Trump is continuing the joke.

President Trump is good at jerking liberal chains.

He's good at jerking off, period.
 
Wow. Way to pollute an already stupid thread by unnecessarily injecting race.

Arent you righties always decrying the ills of the PC police?
 
Not exactly.

First off we dont have Amts any more as they have been changed to something else .. basically massive Amts but called something else.

Secondly those are all nice words and such about Greenland, but the reality is different. For example, if a Greenlander gets arrested and convicted, he or she can be held "forever" for some reason. Basically there is a disconnect between the legal status of Greenlander criminals and Danish ones. Another example is that Greenland does not have a prison to hold its criminals, so they are exported to Denmark.

Basically Greenland is still a colony and is often treated as such when it suits mother Denmark.



Greenland will never have full autonomy.

1) The riches in the underground that Trump wants, well Denmark aint gonna give that up to a bunch of drunk seal hunters.
2) The present Greenland administration is fully dependent on money from Denmark and would not have the financial ability with full autonomy to run a society that they are use too. There is no university in Greenland, so they would have to send their young out to become doctors and such elsewhere. With 55k people, making an University aint exactly a given.
3) The social issues within the Greenland population is a serious one that it is simply not possible to be fully autonomous and even the Greenlanders admit this. Alcohol abuse is a MASSIVE problem.. think American Indian reservations. Only real difference is how they became abusers.



They are not fully in charge of any of those and not able to take fully charge of most of them.



LOL no they dont. They are an inuit people, so they have closer ties to the American and Canadian Indians and inuit populations than Danes.

Listen I am proud of having Greenland as part of my nation, but I am not proud of how we have treated them and in many ways still do. But at the same time most Greenlanders will agree with me, that they have some serious social problems that are quite unique and frankly are holding their population back. It is the age old fight between keeping to traditions while trying to get benefits of the 21st century... it does not always work well.

Greenland, like Quebec, and unlike Hawai'i has the potential to become an independent nation.

As you have pointed out, Greenland (like Quebec [but for different reasons] is unlikely to become a viable independent nation. On the other hand, given the vast amount of untapped natural resources available to the Greenlanders, it is theoretically possible for them to become like the Saudis and have no actual need to actually work at anything while living off their per capita share of the royalties that the foreigners pay to their government for the right to deplete their natural resources in order to benefit foreigners.
 
What is this we hear Trump wants to buy Greenland from the Danes?

MSM news cycles in trump regime go something like this:

1. Yet another news story surfaces that makes Trump look bad
2. Trump makes a deliberately provocative comment to shift the news cycle
3. The MSM takes the bait

Trump's Greenland comment was #2, pun intended.
 
MSM news cycles in trump regime go something like this:

1. Yet another news story surfaces that makes Trump look bad
2. Trump makes a deliberately provocative comment to shift the news cycle
3. The MSM takes the bait

Trump's Greenland comment was #2, pun intended.

Yep that's what he does. I'll leave to to the gallery whether it's 'political genius' or sheer hucksterism. But let's not the deny the more he says it the more his base swallows it [every last salty drop]. Give it a few more months and like the economy and the wall they'll be claiming he's already bought it. No fact will sway them. If the other side wins the next election they'll claim the Dems 'gave it away' and 'the media are covering it up'.
 
Trump's Folly, oh my bad that was Seward's Folly
 
Mexico's going to pay for it...

Denmark, according to Mr. Trump is losing $700,000,000 per year on Greenland. (That's $12,461.95 for every person who lives in Greenland.)

Mr. Trump wants to buy a "real estate operation" that is a guaranteed "money loser" in order to improve the US economy.

Why am I having difficulty in understanding how adding $700,000,000 a year to the US deficit is a "Good Deal"?
 
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