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End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

I think if trump is not in jail, when he's not defending himself from law enforcement, he'll be setting new records in trying to cash in on his having been president globally. He'll try to keep the loyalty of his base, simply for his own benefit that the more influence he has, the more he can make money in various ways. If a foreign enemy wants to pay him to say something to help wrongdoers, he'll be happy to say it.

I'm sure he hopes to finally get his Trump Tower, Moscow when he leaves office. It'll be interesting to see if Putin lets him have it.
 
The opinion piece is just one of many that says president Trump is doomed. Most days MSM is
predicting some terrible catastrophic event that will take down president Trump. Remember
during the 2016 election we were told over and over Trump could never win... Never. It was
President Hillary Clinton, 95 % chance of that happening? The 1st women president.....
Just another goofy lefty dream about the president, president Trump that is!

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Your blind adulation is duly noted. You're one of those would would let him slide after shooting a man in the middle of 5th Avenue, right?

Somehow, I am sure that there were very similar exhalations (with Hitler instead of Trump) posted on the streets of Berlin, back in 1933.

The power of strong-minded, evil men exert to influence the brains of weak-mind men...is truly impressive. History shows that these men pose the greatest threats to mankind.
 
I know the Trump hating media won't talk about it much, but more and more evidence of corruption by the Obama administration directed against Trump, his campaign and anyone associated with him keeps becoming public.

The latest is the Bruce Ohr 302's.

Next will be the Archey Declarations, the DOJ IG investigation results about the Comey memos and FISA abuse.

Beyond that is the Durham investigation in to the predicate for Crossfire Hurricane.

All of that has the potential to ensure that Trump is reelected in 2020...in spite of the massive media campaign of spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.

Moral of the story: Don't count your chickens.

Keep holding on to your conspir...er, dreams!
 
What would be the difference between white supremacists and their supporters...in your mind?

Cynicism.

It's like asking the difference between immoral and amoral.

White supremacists believe in what they preach.

Their supporters don't believe it, but recognize it was the best/most powerful tool for them to use in the fight to protect their agenda.

In a very real sense, that makes the white supremacists less reprehensible than many of their supporters.
 
Well written Op/ed:

Everyone will eventually turn on Trump. Even Steve Doocy.

It's too soon to say when Donald Trump's presidency will end, but it's not too soon to say how it will end. It will end in disgrace. And when it does, Trump's defenders will turn on him. Some already have.

Trump's sycophants are as loyal as he is — which is to say, not at all. In The Art of the Deal, Trump counted Roy Cohn as a friend, calling him "a truly loyal guy." After Cohn contracted AIDS, Trump "dropped him like a hot potato," according to Susan Bell, Cohn's longtime secretary

The people who are loyal to Trump are loyal not because they like him as a person but because they have something to gain from him. In an interview with The New York Times, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) admitted that he embraced Trump "to try to be relevant." So far, his plan has worked superbly — Graham has a recurring slot on Hannity. Once Trump is gone, however, Graham will no longer need the man he once dismissed as "the world's biggest jackass." He will find someone else to latch onto, and he will forget about Trump just as he forgot about John McCain.

.......

Trump's post-presidency will be sadder and more pathetic than his presidency. His presidential library will be neither presidential nor a library. His memoir, if someone writes one for him, will be dreadful — ghostwritten, poorly written, replete with falsehoods and errors, and bereft of insights and useful information. His presidential papers will contain such statements as "Horseface"; "trade wars are good, and easy to win"; "a very stable genius"; and "your favorite President, me!" No mainstream public figure will want to be associated with his legacy.

.......

After resigning in disgrace, Richard Nixon partially rehabilitated himself. He wrote a 1,120-page memoir and a succession of books about foreign policy. He counseled presidents and appeared on serious news programs to opine on world events. Time columnist Hugh Sidey, who had chided Nixon during Watergate, called him a "strategic genius." President Clinton gave Nixon a fawning eulogy.

Jimmy Carter is widely regarded as having been a better ex-president than a president. His approval rating rose from 31 percent in 1980 to 64 percent in 2009, thanks largely to his humanitarian work. According to The Washington Post, he "helped renovate 4,300 homes in 14 countries for Habitat for Humanity." Trump, on the other hand, reportedly appropriated money meant for a children's cancer charity.

............

After Trump leaves office and has fewer things to do, people will have fewer reasons to listen to him. Ex-President Trump will call Fox & Friends every morning, but they will ignore him. Instead of ranting on air, he will leave voicemails for Steve Doocy's assistant's intern.


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Let's mark this one down. Trump's presidency will end with a whimper, if not in disgrace. And when that happens, virtually every Trump acolyte (including those here on DP) will begin the process of distancing themselves from the legacy of corruption, incompetence, immorality and shame that Trump will leave.

Already, we're seeing some of that from the Righties on this board. And it's only going to get worse.

Now at 72, Trump still considers Cohn his mentor—and that is nothing to be proud of.
 
I know the Trump hating media won't talk about it much, but more and more evidence of corruption by the Obama administration directed against Trump, his campaign and anyone associated with him keeps becoming public.

The latest is the Bruce Ohr 302's.

Next will be the Archey Declarations, the DOJ IG investigation results about the Comey memos and FISA abuse.

Beyond that is the Durham investigation in to the predicate for Crossfire Hurricane.

All of that has the potential to ensure that Trump is reelected in 2020...in spite of the massive media campaign of spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.

Moral of the story: Don't count your chickens.

LOL! What deliciously delusional assertions.

Literally not one thing that you cited is evidence of corruption from the Obama admin or even based in reality.

"FISA abuse"! The warcry of the hilariously dishonest.
 
It is a snoozfest.

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Who are you kidding?

You didn't read it. You people never read. You just belch opinions.

The best way to hide something from a righ-winger is.......put it in a book (or just in writing).
 
I'm sure he hopes to finally get his Trump Tower, Moscow when he leaves office. It'll be interesting to see if Putin lets him have it.

Probably. He'll appreciate trump's continuing service to his agenda.
 
I'm sure he hopes to finally get his Trump Tower, Moscow when he leaves office. It'll be interesting to see if Putin lets him have it.

If not Moscow, he has a new friend who he can ask...they fell in love!

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The elected Republicans and those who run the party have made a collective decision that it is far far better to ride out the storm with Trump than it is to rebel and go their own way. If this means a Goldwater or McGovern type loss in 2020, they will accept that rather than risk the splitting of the party and see the Trumpkins possible start a third party and go their own way which would mean even more years of losing elections for a long time and possible the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

Remember that the Republicans won in 68 with Nixon and the Democrats won in 76 with Carter - both just four years after the landslides that went against them. They returned to power and the party stayed intact and any restructuring of the system was avoided.

That above all else is what the Republicans are currently telling themselves.

The crucial thing that we have to watch for is a narrow Trump defeat next year. What would an unbalanced and mentally disturbed Trump do in response to the news that he just narrowly lost the election? What would a threatened Trump do with trials and convictions and prison facing him as a regular citizen without the protections of the Justice Department? That is what we all must be very afraid of.

Wish for a Democratic landslide next year. It is the only thing that will save our nation, our people and the political system.
 
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Gee, what a shock....more bat-crap-crazy conspiracy theories from the bowels of the alt-right blogosphere (and FoxNews).

I'm shocked...shocked, I say.

And it's always the ones who whine the most about popular perceptions of them and their ilk (i.e. Mycroft, etc.).

Just as there was not one one single ethical or corruption scandal throughout the entire Obama era, there will be no new Obama "scandals" under the Trump/Bar era. At least, not legitimate ones. We have transitioned, as a country, from the least corrupt presidency in history...to the most corrupt and incompetent in history.

But it's always funny to see how the wingnuts respond to poignant criticisms of Trump with tangential attacks on Obama/Clinton, isn't it? You people are nothing, if not predictable.

You're not shocked, You're just knowingly falsifying information because you hate Trump so much you think its ok to just say anything to make nothing more than another Liberal idiotic lie.

No scandals huh. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in decades.

State Department email.
In an effort to evade federal open-records laws, Obama’s first secretary of state (Hillary) set up a private server, which she used exclusively to conduct official business, including communications with the president and the transmission of classified material.

Operation Fast and Furious.
The Obama Justice Department lost track of thousands of guns it had allowed to pass into the hands of suspected smugglers, in the hope of tracing them to Mexican drug cartels. One of the guns was used in the fatal 2010 shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Congress held then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt when he refused to turn over documents about the operation.

IRS abuses.
Obama’s Internal Revenue Service did something Richard Nixon only dreamed of doing: It successfully targeted political opponents. The Justice Department then refused to enforce Congress’s contempt citation against the IRS’s Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions about her agency’s misconduct.

Benghazi.
Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others were killed in the attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya. With less than two months to go before the 2012 election, the State Department falsely claimed the attack was not a terrorist attack but a reaction to an anti-Muslim film. Emails from the secretary later showed that she knew the attack was terrorism. Justice Department prosecutors even convinced a magistrate judge to jail the filmmaker.

Hacking
Obama presided over the biggest data breach in the federal government’s history, at the Office of Personnel Management. The hack exposed the personnel files of millions of federal employees and may end up being used for everything from identity theft to blackmail and espionage. OPM Director Katherine Archuleta, the president’s former political director, had been warned repeatedly about security deficiencies but took no steps to fix them.

Veterans Affairs.
At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at a Phoenix VA facility, many of whom had been on a secret waiting list—part of an effort to conceal that between 1,400 and 1,600 veterans were forced to wait months for appointments. A 2014 internal VA audit found “57,436 newly enrolled veterans facing a minimum 90-day wait for medical care; 63,869 veterans who enrolled over the past decade requesting an appointment that never happened.” Even Obama admitted, in a November 2016 press conference, that “it was scandalous what happened”—though minutes earlier he boasted that “we will—knock on wood—leave this administration without significant scandal

All of these scandals were accompanied by a lack of transparency so severe that 47 of Mr. Obama’s 73 inspectors general signed an open letter in 2014 decrying the administration’s stonewalling of their investigations.

One reason for Obama’s penchant for secrecy is his habit of breaking laws—from not informing Congress of the prisoner swap involving Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and the Taliban, to violating restrictions on cash transfers to Iran as part of a hostage-release deal.

Obama is a corrupt criminal and in the near future the evidence of his involvement in spying on an incoming administration will be reveled.
 
The elected Republicans and those who run the party have made a collective decision that it is far far better to ride out the storm with Trump than it is to rebel and go their own way. If this means a Goldwater or McGovern type loss in 2020, they will accept that rather than risk the splitting of the party and see the Trumpkins possible start a third party and go their own way which would mean even more years of losing elections for a long time and possible the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

Remember that the Republicans won in 68 with Nixon and the Democrats won in 76 with Carter - both just four years after the landslides that went against them. They returned to power and the party stayed intact and any restructuring of the system was avoided.

That above all else is what the Republicans are currently telling themselves.

The crucial thing that we have to watch for is a narrow Trump defeat next year. What would an unbalanced and mentally disturbed Trump do in response to the news that he just narrowly lost the election? What would a threatened Trump do with trials and convictions and prison facing him as a regular citizen without the protections of the Justice Department? That is what we all must be very afraid of.

Wish for a Democratic landslide next year. It is the only thing that will save our nation, our people and the political system.

Reasonable points, all.

I'm not sure the GOP can be saved, however. If it can, you're right, the only way is for traditional conservatives to move in an pick up the pieces in the wake of a massive defeat in the 2020 elections. Otherwise, I think the GOP is looking at an inevitable split, with the Trumpsters retaining the party and their opponents leaving to form a new one.
 
The elected Republicans and those who run the party have made a collective decision that it is far far better to ride out the storm with Trump than it is to rebel and go their own way. If this means a Goldwater or McGovern type loss in 2020, they will accept that rather than risk the splitting of the party and see the Trumpkins possible start a third party and go their own way which would mean even more years of losing elections for a long time and possible the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

Remember that the Republicans won in 68 with Nixon and the Democrats won in 76 with Carter - both just four years after the landslides that went against them. They returned to power and the party stayed intact and any restructuring of the system was avoided.

That above all else is what the Republicans are currently telling themselves.

The crucial thing that we have to watch for is a narrow Trump defeat next year. What would an unbalanced and mentally disturbed Trump do in response to the news that he just narrowly lost the election? What would a threatened Trump do with trials and convictions and prison facing him as a regular citizen without the protections of the Justice Department? That is what we all must be very afraid of.

Wish for a Democratic landslide next year. It is the only thing that will save our nation, our people and the political system.

To be fair, even if a Republican leader wanted to do the right thing, they're politically in a no-win situation, where opposing trump is opposing someone with 90% party support. But this is a moot topic - there aren't any Republican leaders who want to do the right thing.

All they're concerned about is how to deal with a majority of the country opposing trump while 90% of their party supports him. No need to feel sorry for them, though.
 
i don't agree that his zombies will turn on him no matter what he does.
 
I know the Trump hating media won't talk about it much, but more and more evidence of corruption by the Obama administration directed against Trump, his campaign and anyone associated with him keeps becoming public. The latest is the Bruce Ohr 302's. Next will be the Archey Declarations, the DOJ IG investigation results about the Comey memos and FISA abuse. Beyond that is the Durham investigation in to the predicate for Crossfire Hurricane. All of that has the potential to ensure that Trump is reelected in 2020...in spite of the massive media campaign of spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.

Moral of the story: Don't count your chickens.
I am counting the 2020 election as in the bank, barring really unusual events.

What gets me about the OP is that it is as wrong as wrong gets. Trump's personal mannerisms will fade quickly to anecdote, but his policies and appointments will shape the next two generations. It will be remembered as the end of the golden era of media power and possibly as the end of the FDR era of the Democratic party. There is a good chance the Democrats break like a cheap plate in 2020 and 2021.

One other thing that is wrong about the OP is that there will be a vast trove of library materials available, because Trump is having so much declassified. Historians will write books on how Trump occupied his political opponents with trivial matters while his people restructured the government along new lines. When all is said and done, Trump will still be a divisive President, but no one will doubt his importance.
 
I'm not sure the GOP can be saved, however. If it can, you're right, the only way is for traditional conservatives to move in an pick up the pieces in the wake of a massive defeat in the 2020 elections. Otherwise, I think the GOP is looking at an inevitable split, with the Trumpsters retaining the party and their opponents leaving to form a new one.

The right has basically never been about 'traditional conservatives' or any principles. Whatever happens will be about what it always is - the corrupt, powerful interests who want power animating whatever organization helps them get it. While that's trump winning an election, fine. When that's something else, fine.
 
i don't agree that his zombies will turn on him no matter what he does.

They won't so much 'turn on him' as stop supporting him - and they don't like to admit they're wrong - think about how they treated Nixon and Bush, after they had been rabid supporters, but trump's support is even more of a sugar high. They just won't want to talk about him, just like trump won't talk about his birther lies.
 
Reasonable points, all.

I'm not sure the GOP can be saved, however. If it can, you're right, the only way is for traditional conservatives to move in an pick up the pieces in the wake of a massive defeat in the 2020 elections. Otherwise, I think the GOP is looking at an inevitable split, with the Trumpsters retaining the party and their opponents leaving to form a new one.

That well could happen. I think the decision the Trumpkins make - whether to return under their rocks with the demise of Trump or resemble as a third party is what will really decide the fate of the Republicans should they lose in 2020 with Trump. Of course, should Trump pull out another election inside straight and win in a miracle - who can say where we will be four years from now?
 
To be fair, even if a Republican leader wanted to do the right thing, they're politically in a no-win situation, where opposing trump is opposing someone with 90% party support. But this is a moot topic - there aren't any Republican leaders who want to do the right thing.

All they're concerned about is how to deal with a majority of the country opposing trump while 90% of their party supports him. No need to feel sorry for them, though.

There was Justin Amash.... and there was Corker and there was Jeff Flake. And we saw what happened to them.

But remember - winning forgives all sins. Which is why Trump must be defeated soundly next year.
 
Trump's presidency will not end in a whimper. It will end in thunderous applause and triumph!!

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THE GOAT!!!
 
Cynicism.

It's like asking the difference between immoral and amoral.

White supremacists believe in what they preach.

Their supporters don't believe it, but recognize it was the best/most powerful tool for them to use in the fight to protect their agenda.

In a very real sense, that makes the white supremacists less reprehensible than many of their supporters.

Imagined BS for the most part. can't say I've met a white supremacist in my nearly 62 years. The fact you are using this very small faction as some sort of political tool is really laughable.
 
You're not shocked,
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Umm, no, I'm not shocked. That was me making use of a literary concept called "sarcasm".


You're just knowingly falsifying information
Irony Alert! I'm being called a liar....by a known liar. Well, I'm sorry but the opinions of liars don't count. Sorry.

... because you hate Trump so much you think its ok to just say anything to make nothing more than another Liberal idiotic lie.
:roll:Well, again...I hate to keep pointing out bits of irony in your angry, ignorant rants but....it's really ironic that you randomly capitalize words in the middle of sentences...just like your Dear Leader, isn't it? I swear, Trump has done more to normalize ignorance, bad grammar and amorality than any American in the HISTORY of this country. He's made it "cool" for ignorant right-wingers to fill message boards with pointless, emotional, 5th grade rants, like the above.

That noted, you and I both know you can't point to a single lie ("liberal", or other)...which brings us to YOUR lie, next:


No scandals huh. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in decades.

State Department email.

Operation Fast and Furious.

IRS abuses.

Benghazi.

Hacking

Veterans Affairs.

All of these scandals were accompanied by a lack of transparency so severe that 47 of Mr. Obama’s 73 inspectors general signed an open letter in 2014 decrying the administration’s stonewalling of their investigations.

One reason for Obama’s penchant for secrecy is his habit of breaking laws—from not informing Congress of the prisoner swap involving Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and the Taliban, to violating restrictions on cash transfers to Iran as part of a hostage-release deal.

First, it didn't take much for me to recognize, right away, that you didn't compose ANY of the above, because (frankly) you don't "do" complete, grammatically correct sentences very well. So, right away, I figured out that the above is nothing more than a cut-n-paste job from an conservative OPINION piece in the freaking right-wing Heritage Society! And you didn't even have the decency to give credit, which is striking considering the fact that your words were lifted, word-for-word from it.

So, you're not just a known liar....you are also a KNOWN PLAGIARIST.

But, more importantly, you just posted (i.e. plagiarized) the OPINION of a single, right-wing OPINIONIST. I have no respect for the OPINION of some obscure alt-right OPINIONIST by the name of Hans von Spakovsky. I'm interested in FACTS. And the FACTS are that there was NOT ONE SINGLE major scandal or act of corruption during the Obama era. That is simply not up for debate. The FACTS are what they are.

Now, I realize that people like you have a hard time separating FACTS from OPINIONS, but you'll have to come up with something a LOT better than an op/ed piece to "prove" that Obama's presidency was filled with scandal and/or corruption.

Obama is a corrupt criminal and in the near future the evidence of his involvement in spying on an incoming administration will be reveled.
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The feelings of the liars, plagiarists and closeted bigots who promoted one FAKE "scandal" and/or FAILED conspiracy theory, after another, between 2009 and 2016....do not matter. Sorry.
 
Meh

Trump will receive much different treatment if he loses the election in 2020, than if he wins and stays in office for 4 more years.

I don't think it's a given that the media will ignore him, either. If he loses in 2020, there is no doubt he will spend all his time bashing whoever beat him. The right wing echo chamber will eat it up. It's not like he's going to care about the usual decorum by which ex-Presidents refrain from discussing their replacements.

It will be interesting to see if he as an e-president if he welcomed to the ex-president club.
 
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