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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I know the Trump hating media won't talk about it much, but more and more evidence of corruption by the Obama administration directed against Trump, his campaign and anyone associated with him keeps becoming public.

    The latest is the Bruce Ohr 302's.

    Next will be the Archey Declarations, the DOJ IG investigation results about the Comey memos and FISA abuse.

    Beyond that is the Durham investigation in to the predicate for Crossfire Hurricane.

    All of that has the potential to ensure that Trump is reelected in 2020...in spite of the massive media campaign of spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.

    Moral of the story: Don't count your chickens.
    LOL! What deliciously delusional assertions.

    Literally not one thing that you cited is evidence of corruption from the Obama admin or even based in reality.

    "FISA abuse"! The warcry of the hilariously dishonest.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    It is a snoozfest.

    Who are you kidding?

    You didn't read it. You people never read. You just belch opinions.

    The best way to hide something from a righ-winger is.......put it in a book (or just in writing).

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    I'm sure he hopes to finally get his Trump Tower, Moscow when he leaves office. It'll be interesting to see if Putin lets him have it.
    Probably. He'll appreciate trump's continuing service to his agenda.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    I'm sure he hopes to finally get his Trump Tower, Moscow when he leaves office. It'll be interesting to see if Putin lets him have it.
    If not Moscow, he has a new friend who he can ask...they fell in love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    I wouldn't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I did vote for him, and I'll vote for him again in 2020.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    The elected Republicans and those who run the party have made a collective decision that it is far far better to ride out the storm with Trump than it is to rebel and go their own way. If this means a Goldwater or McGovern type loss in 2020, they will accept that rather than risk the splitting of the party and see the Trumpkins possible start a third party and go their own way which would mean even more years of losing elections for a long time and possible the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

    Remember that the Republicans won in 68 with Nixon and the Democrats won in 76 with Carter - both just four years after the landslides that went against them. They returned to power and the party stayed intact and any restructuring of the system was avoided.

    That above all else is what the Republicans are currently telling themselves.

    The crucial thing that we have to watch for is a narrow Trump defeat next year. What would an unbalanced and mentally disturbed Trump do in response to the news that he just narrowly lost the election? What would a threatened Trump do with trials and convictions and prison facing him as a regular citizen without the protections of the Justice Department? That is what we all must be very afraid of.

    Wish for a Democratic landslide next year. It is the only thing that will save our nation, our people and the political system.
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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by ultmd View Post

    Gee, what a shock....more bat-crap-crazy conspiracy theories from the bowels of the alt-right blogosphere (and FoxNews).

    I'm shocked...shocked, I say.

    And it's always the ones who whine the most about popular perceptions of them and their ilk (i.e. Mycroft, etc.).

    Just as there was not one one single ethical or corruption scandal throughout the entire Obama era, there will be no new Obama "scandals" under the Trump/Bar era. At least, not legitimate ones. We have transitioned, as a country, from the least corrupt presidency in history...to the most corrupt and incompetent in history.

    But it's always funny to see how the wingnuts respond to poignant criticisms of Trump with tangential attacks on Obama/Clinton, isn't it? You people are nothing, if not predictable.
    You're not shocked, You're just knowingly falsifying information because you hate Trump so much you think its ok to just say anything to make nothing more than another Liberal idiotic lie.

    No scandals huh. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in decades.

    State Department email.
    In an effort to evade federal open-records laws, Obama’s first secretary of state (Hillary) set up a private server, which she used exclusively to conduct official business, including communications with the president and the transmission of classified material.

    Operation Fast and Furious.
    The Obama Justice Department lost track of thousands of guns it had allowed to pass into the hands of suspected smugglers, in the hope of tracing them to Mexican drug cartels. One of the guns was used in the fatal 2010 shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Congress held then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt when he refused to turn over documents about the operation.

    IRS abuses.
    Obama’s Internal Revenue Service did something Richard Nixon only dreamed of doing: It successfully targeted political opponents. The Justice Department then refused to enforce Congress’s contempt citation against the IRS’s Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions about her agency’s misconduct.

    Benghazi.
    Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others were killed in the attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya. With less than two months to go before the 2012 election, the State Department falsely claimed the attack was not a terrorist attack but a reaction to an anti-Muslim film. Emails from the secretary later showed that she knew the attack was terrorism. Justice Department prosecutors even convinced a magistrate judge to jail the filmmaker.

    Hacking
    Obama presided over the biggest data breach in the federal government’s history, at the Office of Personnel Management. The hack exposed the personnel files of millions of federal employees and may end up being used for everything from identity theft to blackmail and espionage. OPM Director Katherine Archuleta, the president’s former political director, had been warned repeatedly about security deficiencies but took no steps to fix them.

    Veterans Affairs.
    At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at a Phoenix VA facility, many of whom had been on a secret waiting list—part of an effort to conceal that between 1,400 and 1,600 veterans were forced to wait months for appointments. A 2014 internal VA audit found “57,436 newly enrolled veterans facing a minimum 90-day wait for medical care; 63,869 veterans who enrolled over the past decade requesting an appointment that never happened.” Even Obama admitted, in a November 2016 press conference, that “it was scandalous what happened”—though minutes earlier he boasted that “we will—knock on wood—leave this administration without significant scandal

    All of these scandals were accompanied by a lack of transparency so severe that 47 of Mr. Obama’s 73 inspectors general signed an open letter in 2014 decrying the administration’s stonewalling of their investigations.

    One reason for Obama’s penchant for secrecy is his habit of breaking laws—from not informing Congress of the prisoner swap involving Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and the Taliban, to violating restrictions on cash transfers to Iran as part of a hostage-release deal.

    Obama is a corrupt criminal and in the near future the evidence of his involvement in spying on an incoming administration will be reveled.
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    It will get worse - a great deal worse. 2020 looks to be the ugliest campaign in our lifetimes .
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    I was alive in '68. Until a leading candidate gets shot, nothing will be worse.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The elected Republicans and those who run the party have made a collective decision that it is far far better to ride out the storm with Trump than it is to rebel and go their own way. If this means a Goldwater or McGovern type loss in 2020, they will accept that rather than risk the splitting of the party and see the Trumpkins possible start a third party and go their own way which would mean even more years of losing elections for a long time and possible the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

    Remember that the Republicans won in 68 with Nixon and the Democrats won in 76 with Carter - both just four years after the landslides that went against them. They returned to power and the party stayed intact and any restructuring of the system was avoided.

    That above all else is what the Republicans are currently telling themselves.

    The crucial thing that we have to watch for is a narrow Trump defeat next year. What would an unbalanced and mentally disturbed Trump do in response to the news that he just narrowly lost the election? What would a threatened Trump do with trials and convictions and prison facing him as a regular citizen without the protections of the Justice Department? That is what we all must be very afraid of.

    Wish for a Democratic landslide next year. It is the only thing that will save our nation, our people and the political system.
    Reasonable points, all.

    I'm not sure the GOP can be saved, however. If it can, you're right, the only way is for traditional conservatives to move in an pick up the pieces in the wake of a massive defeat in the 2020 elections. Otherwise, I think the GOP is looking at an inevitable split, with the Trumpsters retaining the party and their opponents leaving to form a new one.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The elected Republicans and those who run the party have made a collective decision that it is far far better to ride out the storm with Trump than it is to rebel and go their own way. If this means a Goldwater or McGovern type loss in 2020, they will accept that rather than risk the splitting of the party and see the Trumpkins possible start a third party and go their own way which would mean even more years of losing elections for a long time and possible the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

    Remember that the Republicans won in 68 with Nixon and the Democrats won in 76 with Carter - both just four years after the landslides that went against them. They returned to power and the party stayed intact and any restructuring of the system was avoided.

    That above all else is what the Republicans are currently telling themselves.

    The crucial thing that we have to watch for is a narrow Trump defeat next year. What would an unbalanced and mentally disturbed Trump do in response to the news that he just narrowly lost the election? What would a threatened Trump do with trials and convictions and prison facing him as a regular citizen without the protections of the Justice Department? That is what we all must be very afraid of.

    Wish for a Democratic landslide next year. It is the only thing that will save our nation, our people and the political system.
    To be fair, even if a Republican leader wanted to do the right thing, they're politically in a no-win situation, where opposing trump is opposing someone with 90% party support. But this is a moot topic - there aren't any Republican leaders who want to do the right thing.

    All they're concerned about is how to deal with a majority of the country opposing trump while 90% of their party supports him. No need to feel sorry for them, though.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    i don't agree that his zombies will turn on him no matter what he does.

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    Re: End Game for Trump: It Ends Badly for him

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I know the Trump hating media won't talk about it much, but more and more evidence of corruption by the Obama administration directed against Trump, his campaign and anyone associated with him keeps becoming public. The latest is the Bruce Ohr 302's. Next will be the Archey Declarations, the DOJ IG investigation results about the Comey memos and FISA abuse. Beyond that is the Durham investigation in to the predicate for Crossfire Hurricane. All of that has the potential to ensure that Trump is reelected in 2020...in spite of the massive media campaign of spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.

    Moral of the story: Don't count your chickens.
    I am counting the 2020 election as in the bank, barring really unusual events.

    What gets me about the OP is that it is as wrong as wrong gets. Trump's personal mannerisms will fade quickly to anecdote, but his policies and appointments will shape the next two generations. It will be remembered as the end of the golden era of media power and possibly as the end of the FDR era of the Democratic party. There is a good chance the Democrats break like a cheap plate in 2020 and 2021.

    One other thing that is wrong about the OP is that there will be a vast trove of library materials available, because Trump is having so much declassified. Historians will write books on how Trump occupied his political opponents with trivial matters while his people restructured the government along new lines. When all is said and done, Trump will still be a divisive President, but no one will doubt his importance.

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