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    [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    This is unbelievable.

    Israel just refused to allow two US Congresswomen into the country after Trump urged Israel to ban them from entering.

    And Israel just did it.

    Israel blocks Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering country – live | US news | The Guardian

    Two amazing things here...

    1) Has a US President ever appealed to another country to block travel of a Congressperson?

    2) has a purported ‘ally’ EVER blocked a US lawmaker from travel to their country because of their free exercise of speech?
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Has our ally allowed entry to Congress persons who are anti-semites who believe Israel is an occupation and has no right to exist? Who support Hamas? Who regularly support entities which condone killing Jews?
    Look, this is a lose-lose for Israel. They let these evil cretins into their country and shower them with hospitality and attempt to appeal to any semblance of reason, and they will be attacked.
    They deny entry, they get attacked.

    Tlaib and Omar are anti-Semites who hate Israel. That's not going to change.

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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    This is unbelievable.

    Israel just refused to allow two US Congresswomen into the country after Trump urged Israel to ban them from entering.

    And Israel just did it.

    Israel blocks Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering country – live | US news | The Guardian

    Two amazing things here...

    1) Has a US President ever appealed to another country to block travel of a Congressperson?

    2) has a purported ‘ally’ EVER blocked a US lawmaker from travel to their country because of their free exercise of speech?
    They are a sovereign country and do not have to allow anyone in who they believe endangers their national security or believe will foment further trouble that can lead to violence. Why is it so important to you that Tlaib and Omar who both hate our nation's ally Israel and foment antisemitic conspiracy theories against it be let in?
    Last edited by Felis Leo; 08-15-19 at 11:23 AM.
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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    They are a sovereign country and do not have to allow anyone in who they believe endangers their national security or believe will foment further trouble that can lead to violence. Why is it so important to you that Tlaib and Omar who both hate our nation's ally Israel and foment antisemitic conspiracy theories against it be let in?
    They’re in Congress.

    Allies don’t block Congressional delegations from entry.

    At least, not real Allies.

    Now we know.
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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    If Israel made this decision on there own although I would find it odd an ally denying access to US government officials, they are a sovereign nation and could do anything they want.

    The fact that the US president stepped in this is disgusting.

    What I want to know is what happens if Mexico or any country denies access to a Congress person?
    Or more important what happens when Trump's out of office?
    Just more norms broken.

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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    They’re in Congress.

    Allies don’t block Congressional delegations from entry.

    At least, not real Allies.

    Now we know.
    Are Omar and Tlaib allies of Israel? Do they represent America as a whole? They are not ambassadors. They are constituent members of the lower house of our Legislature. They represent no one but themselves and their constituents in their home districts.

    Israel does not have to allow entry to these two antisemites anymore than Kenya (which is also a U.S. ally) has to allow entry to a delegation led by a white supremacist like Steve King.
    Last edited by Felis Leo; 08-15-19 at 11:36 AM.
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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Are Omar and Tlaib allies of Israel? Do they represent America as a whole?

    Israel does not have to allow entry to these two antisemites anymore than Kenya has to allow entry to a delegation led by a white supremacist like Steve King.
    So do you have any other instance of a President urging another nation to block lawmakers travel?

    And another instance of an ally refusing admission to US Congresspeople?
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    God bless Israel.

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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So do you have any other instance of a President urging another nation to block lawmakers travel?

    And another instance of an ally refusing admission to US Congresspeople?
    Not off the top of my head, Threegoofs. But neither do I recall two U.S. Congresspeople asking to visit a country they said they hated and by all indications would wish to see wiped off the map and its people exterminated.
    It’s in the small things that the rot starts. Do the wrong thing once, it’s easier to do it again. Do the individualistic thing once, it is easy to do it again.

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    re: [W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    This is unbelievable.

    Israel just refused to allow two US Congresswomen into the country after Trump urged Israel to ban them from entering.

    And Israel just did it.

    Israel blocks Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering country – live | US news | The Guardian

    Two amazing things here...

    1) Has a US President ever appealed to another country to block travel of a Congressperson?

    2) has a purported ‘ally’ EVER blocked a US lawmaker from travel to their country because of their free exercise of speech?
    And people wonder why we call them deplorables.
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