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Dow set to fall 300 points after bond market flashes a recession warning, bank stocks drop

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[h=1]Dow set to fall 300 points after bond market flashes a recession warning, bank stocks drop[/h]
Dow set to fall after bond market flashes a recession warningU.S. stocks were set to open lower Wednesday morning, giving back some of Tuesday’s solid gains, after the U.S. bond market flashed a troubling signal about the U.S. economy.
Futures on Dow Jones Industrial Average indicated a negative open of about 305 points. Futures on the S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were both lower, as well.

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The stockmarket has been extremely volatile this week. It was down on Monday, soared on Tuesday. Today, the market jitters have set in after the US bond market signaled bad news for the US economy.

The market will open in a few minutes, the futures indicated it will open more than -400 points.
 
Trumps fault when the market falls
Obamas fault when the market goes up
 
Now we are seeing indications of a real problem, might go well beyond "Trump did this or Obama did that."

Inverted yield curves are usually an indication of rough times ahead.
 
It's mostly about the trade war with China.

It goes up when there's good news and goes down when there's bad news about the trade war.
 
I've little or no idea of what goes through the mind of President of the United States of America Donald Trump. I've found it amusing to speculate from time to time, however.

Watching the gyrations of the stock market over the past few days as the China/US tariff tiff continues, it's easy to imagine President Trump viewing the Dow Industrial Average as a yo-yo and finding glee in making it go up and down.

And so it goes.
 
Remember when right wingers all told us Donald Trump was a genius businessman who would know how to run an economy?

Then it turned out he doesn’t even know what a tariff actually is...
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Dow set to fall 300 points after bond market flashes a recession warning, bank stocks drop[/h]
Dow set to fall after bond market flashes a recession warningU.S. stocks were set to open lower Wednesday morning, giving back some of Tuesday’s solid gains, after the U.S. bond market flashed a troubling signal about the U.S. economy.
Futures on Dow Jones Industrial Average indicated a negative open of about 305 points. Futures on the S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were both lower, as well.

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The stockmarket has been extremely volatile this week. It was down on Monday, soared on Tuesday. Today, the market jitters have set in after the US bond market signaled bad news for the US economy.

The market will open in a few minutes, the futures indicated it will open more than -400 points.
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Down more than 400 points right now, back under the 26,000 mark. So much winning!
 
gulfman said:
Trumps fault when the market falls
Obamas fault when the market goes up
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It is amazing how they affected the stock market before either one was even born. But how do you tell if the great depression is Bush's fault or Trumps fault?
 
swing_voter said:
It's mostly about the trade war with China.

It goes up when there's good news and goes down when there's bad news about the trade war.
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I think we should go back to screwing over American businesses. If we ship the industry over to China then there is no war. They produce and become great and we continue on the path of becoming a welfare country. I am tired of working anyway.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Dow set to fall 300 points after bond market flashes a recession warning, bank stocks drop[/h]
Dow set to fall after bond market flashes a recession warningU.S. stocks were set to open lower Wednesday morning, giving back some of Tuesday’s solid gains, after the U.S. bond market flashed a troubling signal about the U.S. economy.
Futures on Dow Jones Industrial Average indicated a negative open of about 305 points. Futures on the S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were both lower, as well.

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The stockmarket has been extremely volatile this week. It was down on Monday, soared on Tuesday. Today, the market jitters have set in after the US bond market signaled bad news for the US economy.

The market will open in a few minutes, the futures indicated it will open more than -400 points.
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Someone makes a prediction and stocks fall. Someone else gives a hint and stocks soar.

Serious question: Why would anyone entrust their life's savings to a group of people who jump at shadows?

There have been five inversions of the 2-year and 10-year yields since 1978 and all were precursors to a recession, but there is a significant lag, according to data from Credit Suisse. A recession occurred, on average, 22 months after the inversion, Credit Suisse shows. And the S&P 500 actually enjoyed average returns of 15% 18 months after an inversion before it eventually turns.
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A lag of, on average, 22 months? LOL!! Yeah...let's freak out now, okay? Let's sell all our stocks now.

:doh :roll:
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I think we should go back to screwing over American businesses. If we ship the industry over to China then there is no war. They produce and become great and we continue on the path of becoming a welfare country. I am tired of working anyway.
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You might as well. You people try to sell us out to Russia. Can't you at least sell us out to a nation that has the appearance of prosperity and isn't a corrupt ****hole like Russia?
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Dow set to fall 300 points after bond market flashes a recession warning, bank stocks drop[/h]
Dow set to fall after bond market flashes a recession warningU.S. stocks were set to open lower Wednesday morning, giving back some of Tuesday’s solid gains, after the U.S. bond market flashed a troubling signal about the U.S. economy.
Futures on Dow Jones Industrial Average indicated a negative open of about 305 points. Futures on the S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were both lower, as well.

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The stockmarket has been extremely volatile this week. It was down on Monday, soared on Tuesday. Today, the market jitters have set in after the US bond market signaled bad news for the US economy.

The market will open in a few minutes, the futures indicated it will open more than -400 points.
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Department sleepy-head Ross just said don't worry about the recession guys. I'm content with that... /s
 
KLATTU said:
Bet somebody is happy about that!
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Very interesting that you would assume that it's Democratic women who are enjoying the DOW's fall. ;)
 
OrphanSlug said:
Now we are seeing indications of a real problem, might go well beyond "Trump did this or Obama did that."

Inverted yield curves are usually an indication of rough times ahead.
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Life is an indication of rough times ahead. We're looking at the economy here and it's a great big thing to look at. A change in one characteristic is HIGHLY unlikely to be a an indicator of systemic change and when people look at their chosen characteristic and try to make predictions based on that we sometimes get panics.
 
Mycroft said:
Someone makes a prediction and stocks fall. Someone else gives a hint and stocks soar.

Serious question: Why would anyone entrust their life's savings to a group of people who jump at shadows?



A lag of, on average, 22 months? LOL!! Yeah...let's freak out now, okay? Let's sell all our stocks now.

:doh :roll:
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If a person sold their stocks in late 1999, and bought at near the low, they would have not lost 40% or so of the gains they had made in the tech sector run up If a person sold their stocks in 2007, they would not have lost 47 % of their value.

If a person were to sell their stocks today, hold cash, I could easily see people maintaining 35% of the gains they had made (or not losing 35% of the asset value )

On a historical basis stocks in the US are overvalued by a good 30% in a good economic period. A recession would make them 40% over valued and in general stocks overshoot both upwards and downwards on value.

So wait if you want to, but be aware that when a recession is announced, it is going to be to late to sell without significant losses
 
Phys251 said:
Very interesting that you would assume that it's Democratic women who are enjoying the DOW's fall. ;)
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Oh it's not just Dem women cheering the Dow collapse on,it's brown skinned people.
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Everybody!
 
KLATTU said:
Oh it's not just Dem women cheering the Dow collapse on,it's brown skinned people.

Everybody!
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Oh cool! So in one post, you have racism, sexism, and telling a bald-faced lie about what is even going on in the pictures. It's the Klattu hat trick! :lol:
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]Dow set to fall 300 points after bond market flashes a recession warning, bank stocks drop[/h]
Dow set to fall after bond market flashes a recession warningU.S. stocks were set to open lower Wednesday morning, giving back some of Tuesday’s solid gains, after the U.S. bond market flashed a troubling signal about the U.S. economy.
Futures on Dow Jones Industrial Average indicated a negative open of about 305 points. Futures on the S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were both lower, as well.

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The stockmarket has been extremely volatile this week. It was down on Monday, soared on Tuesday. Today, the market jitters have set in after the US bond market signaled bad news for the US economy.

The market will open in a few minutes, the futures indicated it will open more than -400 points.
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OMG we are all doomed. The Dow which is not an indicator of the strength or weakness of the economy is adjusting itself. Maybe people are not buying the high priced stock of the companies that make up the Dow.
Remember, stocks are an investment.
You liberals have a habit of reacting before the result or knowing the facts.
Why don’t you see what happens first before you rich elite liberals start jumping out your windows
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If a person sold their stocks in late 1999, and bought at near the low, they would have not lost 40% or so of the gains they had made in the tech sector run up If a person sold their stocks in 2007, they would not have lost 47 % of their value.

If a person were to sell their stocks today, hold cash, I could easily see people maintaining 35% of the gains they had made (or not losing 35% of the asset value )

On a historical basis stocks in the US are overvalued by a good 30% in a good economic period. A recession would make them 40% over valued and in general stocks overshoot both upwards and downwards on value.

So wait if you want to, but be aware that when a recession is announced, it is going to be to late to sell without significant losses
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And if everyone is totally wrong about their predictions of a recession? Those who sell now lose big time over those who don't.

That's the thing...it's a gamble based on predictions.

It's a good thing our economy isn't dependent upon the success or failure of Wall Street anymore, like it was 10 or 15 years ago. Now, if Wall Street makes bad bets, the only ones who lose will be the gamblers.
 
Phys251 said:
You might as well. You people try to sell us out to Russia. Can't you at least sell us out to a nation that has the appearance of prosperity and isn't a corrupt ****hole like Russia?
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I'm pretty sure China's corrupt, but it's not a ****hole, which is an improvement over Russia.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If a person sold their stocks in late 1999, and bought at near the low, they would have not lost 40% or so of the gains they had made in the tech sector run up If a person sold their stocks in 2007, they would not have lost 47 % of their value.

If a person were to sell their stocks today, hold cash, I could easily see people maintaining 35% of the gains they had made (or not losing 35% of the asset value )

On a historical basis stocks in the US are overvalued by a good 30% in a good economic period. A recession would make them 40% over valued and in general stocks overshoot both upwards and downwards on value.

So wait if you want to, but be aware that when a recession is announced, it is going to be to late to sell without significant losses
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so you are CALLING a SELL today 08.14.19

i will bookmark this thread

now all you have to do is call a BUY....

timing the market is like trying to catch a falling knife....kinda hard to do
 
Mycroft said:
And if everyone is totally wrong about their predictions of a recession? Those who sell now lose big time over those who don't.

That's the thing...it's a gamble based on predictions.

It's a good thing our economy isn't dependent upon the success or failure of Wall Street anymore, like it was 10 or 15 years ago. Now, if Wall Street makes bad bets, the only ones who lose will be the gamblers.
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LOL, it's boggles my mind how people, the media especially, seem to think that the stock price of literally 30 companies is somehow a major super important thing in measuring relative strength of the overall global economy. Added, the people that are mostly responsible for the changing stock prices are about as many investment vehicles that you can count on your hands.. Sure there are single day-trading investors, and small investment firms but mostly the stock prices are traded by a very small few. And one last thing to all the geniuses out there; these investment vehicles make money when the stocks go up AND when they go down, THAT's the whole point!

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Tim-
 
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