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What do you know. Fox news CAN cover the President accurately after all... They must have been ahead of their time!

 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, clear examples of media bias (mostly by omission) abound. Of course, the same could be said of MSNBC or CNN. Selective 'outrage' is quite common both by the media and politicians. I bet you can't find a peep from of any of the DNC POTUS candidates about the following ICE raid:

The largest workplace raid under the Obama administration just happened in New York – ThinkProgress
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Doesn’t whataboutism have a “best when used by” date? Almost three years ago.......
 
Slavister said:
What do you know. Fox news CAN cover the President accurately after all... They must have been ahead of their time!

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Hilarious! Except tRump can't even read from a teleprompter and get it right.



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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, clear examples of media bias (mostly by omission) abound. Of course, the same could be said of MSNBC or CNN. Selective 'outrage' is quite common both by the media and politicians. I bet you can't find a peep from of any of the DNC POTUS candidates about the following ICE raid:

The largest workplace raid under the Obama administration just happened in New York – ThinkProgress
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You call this equivalent? Really? Trump grabs 800 and ZERO owners, Obama 25 that included 3 owners who were arrested on suspicion of evading taxes. What a farcical comparison. And, Obama was heavily criticized for the raid. Get real.
 
Slavister said:
What do you know. Fox news CAN cover the President accurately after all... They must have been ahead of their time!

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They could all go on vacation and simply replay old clips of what they said during the Obama Administration!
 
Rexedgar said:
Doesn’t whataboutism have a “best when used by” date? Almost three years ago.......
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Nope, if you truly object to something then you don't selectively do so based on who did it (or when). BTW, most of the OP link quotes are from "back then" and yet the OP point remains valid - why is X bad when done by one of "them" but no big deal when done by one of "us"?

What you elect to call "whataboutism" is simply the same thing as the OP notes (very selective 'outrage') but from another (extremely biased?) source. ICE "raids on workplaces" are either proper enforcement of federal immigration/labor laws or they are "terror attacks on a class of people" - they can't be OK when done under Obama and yet become clear acts of white supremacy, racism and terror when done under Trump. Take off the partisan goggles and examine the facts.
 
Fox is state TV.
 
bluesmoke said:
You call this equivalent? Really? Trump grabs 800 and ZERO owners, Obama 25 that included 3 owners who were arrested on suspicion of evading taxes. What a farcical comparison. And, Obama was heavily criticized for the raid. Get real.
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Show me where Harris (or anyone else) called the "Obama" ICE raid an "act of terror", racism or white supremacy? Obama was called (known as?) the "deporter in chief" yet, somehow, not considered to have done so out of 'evil intent'. Do you have any evidence that the MS employers were paying folks in cash and/or evading taxes?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, if you truly object to something then you don't selectively do so based on who did it (or when). BTW, most of the OP link quotes are from "back then" and yet the OP point remains valid - why is X bad when done by one of "them" but no big deal when done by one of "us"?

What you elect to call "whataboutism" is simply the same thing as the OP notes (very selective 'outrage') but from another (extremely biased?) source. ICE "raids on workplaces" are either proper enforcement of federal immigration/labor laws or they are "terror attacks on a class of people" - they can't be OK when done under Obama and yet become clear acts of white supremacy, racism and terror when done under Trump. Take off the partisan goggles and examine the facts.
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ICE raids that target only the workers are eye wash. According to reports, about half the detainees were released the same day. Immigration needs everyone to get on board and fix the issue. Immigration raids are but one issue; listen to the OP clip again, can’t be anymore hypocritical.
 
Rexedgar said:
ICE raids that target only the workers are eye wash. According to reports, about half the detainees were released the same day. Immigration needs everyone to get on board and fix the issue. Immigration raids are but one issue; listen to the OP clip again, can’t be anymore hypocritical.
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I agree with the OP position - how is that being hypocritical? My point is that selective outrage (bias by omission) is not limited to Fox News or even the news media in general - it is also a common tactic used by politicians.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I agree with the OP position - how is that being hypocritical? My point is that selective outrage (bias by omission) is not limited to Fox News or even the news media in general - it is also a common tactic used by politicians.
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I wasn’t referring to you being hypocritical, sorry for any misunderstanding. The open hypocrisy in the clips in the OP is what I was hilighting......:thumbs:
 
Rexedgar said:
I wasn’t referring to you being hypocritical, sorry for any misunderstanding. The open hypocrisy in the clips in the OP is what I was hilighting......:thumbs:
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And I was providing other examples of that open hypocrisy. What is hypocritical is calling out Fox News as a (the?) prime offender while condoning, excusing, denying or simply "not noticing" the same thing being done by others.

I saw making that point as "fair and balanced" rather than as "whataboutism" since this thread is under general political discussion rather than bias in the media.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Show me where Harris (or anyone else) called the "Obama" ICE raid an "act of terror", racism or white supremacy? Obama was called (known as?) the "deporter in chief" yet, somehow, not considered to have done so out of 'evil intent'. Do you have any evidence that the MS employers were paying folks in cash and/or evading taxes?
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Obama was known as the "deporter in chief," yet, somehow, not considered to have done so at all by the Trump supporters who like to claim that Democrats are all for open borders.

Still, I don't recall raids in which children came home from school to find their parents gone. Maybe that happened during the last administration, too. If it did, it was as wrong then as it is now.

That said, I think we're getting off of the subject here. Fox news seems to be the one media outlet that Trump considers to be valid as it doesn't talk about him the way it talked about Obama. Fair and balanced is about as accurate as the "Patriot Act." Names sometimes mean the opposite of what they purport to describe.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Obama was known as the "deporter in chief," yet, somehow, not considered to have done so at all by the Trump supporters who like to claim that Democrats are all for open borders.

Still, I don't recall raids in which children came home from school to find their parents gone. Maybe that happened during the last administration, too. If it did, it was as wrong then as it is now.

That said, I think we're getting off of the subject here. Fox news seems to be the one media outlet that Trump considers to be valid as it doesn't talk about him the way it talked about Obama. Fair and balanced is about as accurate as the "Patriot Act." Names sometimes mean the opposite of what they purport to describe.
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This may come as a shock to you, but it is standard procedure to make arrests even of *gasp* folks with kids in their homes. No statutes, that I am aware of, say that they apply to all people except those with kids in their homes. ICE ERO officers are one of the few subsets of LEOs which routinely release arrested folks for "humanitarian reasons" on a regular basis prior to any bail/bond hearings - as was the case for about half of those arrested in the recent MS ICE raids.
 
Helix said:
Fox is state TV.
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When Republicans are in power. The plan and original name for it was 'GOP TV'. It was founded by Nixon's 'tv consultant'.
 
Craig234 said:
When Republicans are in power. The plan and original name for it was 'GOP TV'. It was founded by Nixon's 'tv consultant'.
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that would have been more honest. i'm an ex-foxie myself. i consider turning off that channel to be one of my better decisions.

to be fair, MSNBC should change their name to MSDNC. i sometimes listen to the livestream when i want to hear people say bad things about the mango marmot, but i don't consider it to be journalism.
 
Helix said:
that would have been more honest. i'm an ex-foxie myself. i consider turning off that channel to be one of my better decisions.
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I'd agree.

to be fair, MSNBC should change their name to MSDNC. i sometimes listen to the livestream when i want to hear people say bad things about the mango marmot, but i don't consider it to be journalism.
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That's really a false equivalency. MSBNC has a lot of flaws, but while some hosts are oriented towards Democratic viewers, so is the truth, as Colbert said. That alone doesn't make them wrong or bad journalism. For example simply telling the truth about trump's border policy might align with Democratic interests - but it's still good journalism. Their flaws are a small fraction of Fox's. They do have some issues, but don't come close to Fox.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
This may come as a shock to you, but it is standard procedure to make arrests even of *gasp* folks with kids in their homes. No statutes, that I am aware of, say that they apply to all people except those with kids in their homes. ICE ERO officers are one of the few subsets of LEOs which routinely release arrested folks for "humanitarian reasons" on a regular basis prior to any bail/bond hearings - as was the case for about half of those arrested in the recent MS ICE raids.
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And it's standard procedure to simply haul the parents off to jail and let the kids come home to an empty house?
 
Dittohead not! said:
And it's standard procedure to simply haul the parents off to jail and let the kids come home to an empty house?
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I believe so, what makes you think that the kids were not already home in an "empty" house? Is there some special right to state or federal government supplied childcare afforded (only?) to those arrested that I am not aware of?
 
The legacy of the Republican party is that it died on a hill undoing obama. That hill was trump. There is no going back for the repubs anymore.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I believe so, what makes you think that the kids were not already home in an "empty" house? Is there some special right to state or federal government supplied childcare afforded (only?) to those arrested that I am not aware of?
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Leaving small children to fend for themselves is child abuse, even when it's done by ICE.
 
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