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How the El Paso Killer Echoed the Incendiary Words of Conservative Media Stars

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This is an in-depth, thorough analysis of the El Paso shooter's words, which clearly echo that of the right wing media, words highlighted, etc., and clearly displayed in the mash up.


the Dayton Shooter had no such manifesto, simply put, he was deranged. His former girlfriend stated that (paraphrased) "this wasn't racism, this was about a guy who got the short end of the stick". In other words, he was a disgruntled loser and was mad at the world for his plight.

The El Paso shooter, however, was clearly enabled by the hate-filled language of Trump and the right wing media and was out to shoot immigrants, noting that a few days prior, someone at a Trump rally said "shoot them', and Trump just laughed and said "Only in El Paso can they get away with that". Precisely what followed was the shooting of 22 people, killing them, and maiming many more.

This is a reiteration of a previous post, but it is more in depth, to illuminate the veracity of the premise. Please watch the video.

How the El Paso Killer Echoed the Incendiary Words of Conservative Media Stars - The New York Times



When another group approached the border six months later, Ann Coulter, appearing as a guest on Jeanine Pirro’s Fox News show, offered a dispassionately violent suggestion about what could be done to stem the flow of migrants: “You can shoot invaders.”

A few days after, Rush Limbaugh issued a grim prognosis to his millions of radio listeners: If the immigrants from Central America weren’t stopped, the United States would lose its identity. “The objective is to dilute and eventually eliminate or erase what is known as the distinct or unique American culture,” Mr. Limbaugh said, adding: “This is why people call this an invasion.”

There is a striking degree of overlap between the words of right-wing media personalities and the language used by the Texas man who confessed to killing 22 people at a Walmart in El Paso this month. In a 2,300-word screed posted on the website 8chan, the killer wrote that he was “simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.”

It remains unclear what, or who, ultimately shaped the views of the white, 21-year-old gunman, or whether he was aware of the media commentary. But his post contains numerous references to “invasion” and cultural “replacement” — ideas that, until recently, were relegated to the fringes of the nationalist right.

An extensive New York Times review of popular right-wing media platforms found hundreds of examples of language, ideas and ideologies that overlapped with the mass killer’s written statement — a shared vocabulary of intolerance that stokes fears centered on immigrants of color. The programs, on television and radio, reach an audience of millions.Tucker Carlson went on his prime-time Fox News show in April last year and told his viewers not to be fooled. The thousands of Central Americans on their way to the United States were “border jumpers,” not refugees, he said. “Will anyone in power do anything to protect America this time,” he asked, “or will leaders sit passively back as the invasion continues?”

When another group approached the border six months later, Ann Coulter, appearing as a guest on Jeanine Pirro’s Fox News show, offered a dispassionately violent suggestion about what could be done to stem the flow of migrants: “You can shoot invaders.”

A few days after, Rush Limbaugh issued a grim prognosis to his millions of radio listeners: If the immigrants from Central America weren’t stopped, the United States would lose its identity. “The objective is to dilute and eventually eliminate or erase what is known as the distinct or unique American culture,” Mr. Limbaugh said, adding: “This is why people call this an invasion.”

There is a striking degree of overlap between the words of right-wing media personalities and the language used by the Texas man who confessed to killing 22 people at a Walmart in El Paso this month. In a 2,300-word screed posted on the website 8chan, the killer wrote that he was “simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.”

It remains unclear what, or who, ultimately shaped the views of the white, 21-year-old gunman, or whether he was aware of the media commentary. But his post contains numerous references to “invasion” and cultural “replacement” — ideas that, until recently, were relegated to the fringes of the nationalist right.

An extensive New York Times review of popular right-wing media platforms found hundreds of examples of language, ideas and ideologies that overlapped with the mass killer’s written statement — a shared vocabulary of intolerance that stokes fears centered on immigrants of color. The programs, on television and radio, reach an audience of millions.
 
This is an in-depth, thorough analysis of the El Paso shooter's words, which clearly echo that of the right wing media, words highlighted, etc., and clearly displayed in the mash up.


the Dayton Shooter had no such manifesto, simply put, he was deranged. His former girlfriend stated that (paraphrased) "this wasn't racism, this was about a guy who got the short end of the stick". In other words, he was a disgruntled loser and was mad at the world for his plight.

The El Paso shooter, however, was clearly enabled by the hate-filled language of Trump and the right wing media and was out to shoot immigrants, noting that a few days prior, someone at a Trump rally said "shoot them', and Trump just laughed and said "Only in El Paso can they get away with that". Precisely what followed was the shooting of 22 people, killing them, and maiming many more.

This is a reiteration of a previous post, but it is more in depth, to illuminate the veracity of the premise. Please watch the video.

LMAO... I love it! The El Paso shooter was a "right winger" but the Dayton shooter was just "deranged" with no political affiliation.

You all make criticizing your character way too easy.
 
LMAO... I love it! The El Paso shooter was a "right winger" but the Dayton shooter was just "deranged" with no political affiliation.

You all make criticizing your character way too easy.

Same as when Chris Cuomo was talking about the shooters in both instances. When it came to the El Paso shooter, he was fervently pointing out his political affiliation. But when he spoke about the Dayton shooter, political affiliation was a far and away, afterthought.
 
This is an in-depth, thorough analysis of the El Paso shooter's words, which clearly echo that of the right wing media, words highlighted, etc., and clearly displayed in the mash up.


the Dayton Shooter had no such manifesto, simply put, he was deranged. His former girlfriend stated that (paraphrased) "this wasn't racism, this was about a guy who got the short end of the stick". In other words, he was a disgruntled loser and was mad at the world for his plight.

The El Paso shooter, however, was clearly enabled by the hate-filled language of Trump and the right wing media and was out to shoot immigrants, noting that a few days prior, someone at a Trump rally said "shoot them', and Trump just laughed and said "Only in El Paso can they get away with that". Precisely what followed was the shooting of 22 people, killing them, and maiming many more.

This is a reiteration of a previous post, but it is more in depth, to illuminate the veracity of the premise. Please watch the video.

So yes, both were crazy. We've know that for the last few days now.
 
LMAO... I love it! The El Paso shooter was a "right winger" but the Dayton shooter was just "deranged" with no political affiliation.

You all make criticizing your character way too easy.


Trivialization is not a valid rebuttal technique
 
Same as when Chris Cuomo was talking about the shooters in both instances. When it came to the El Paso shooter, he was fervently pointing out his political affiliation. But when he spoke about the Dayton shooter, political affiliation was a far and away, afterthought.

As evidenced by the shooter's, themselves. One is motivated by racism, the other is not.
 
As evidenced by the shooter's, themselves. One is motivated by racism, the other is not.

Both were politically motivated, one was motivated by echo centric standards as well.

He was just trying to defend the left in saying that the Dayton shooters political affiliation didn't matter. Yet he was rather transparent in trying to keep the El Paso shooters affiliation front and center.

Both are pretty fruitless at this point.
 
LMAO... I love it! The El Paso shooter was a "right winger" but the Dayton shooter was just "deranged" with no political affiliation.

You all make criticizing your character way too easy.

Well that's all that's left to you since conservatives are incapable of effectively criticizing anyones intelligence.
:shrug:

There's been no evidence so far that the Dayton shooters politics played any role in his violent act. This is typically the case with most crimes. The political leanings of a bank robber or the religious affiliations of a car jacker are often irrelevant to their commission of a crime. Unfortunately for conservatives when crazed gunmen do carry out their violent acts for political reasons they tend to say so explicitly and those politics more often than not tend to be right wing conservatism.
 
The Dayton shooter was a disgruntled loser because he listened to Democratic Socialist nonsense.
 
Racism is not right wing conservatism. Most white supremacist align with socialists ideology to support their race.
 
Both were politically motivated, one was motivated by echo centric standards as well.

He was just trying to defend the left in saying that the Dayton shooters political affiliation didn't matter. Yet he was rather transparent in trying to keep the El Paso shooters affiliation front and center.

Both are pretty fruitless at this point.

It's overwhelmingly clear, given the El Paso's manifesto, that his motivation was racist inspired by right wing media.

There is no evidence of same for the Dayton shooter, but there is evidence he was a disgruntled loser who was latching out at life and crying for attention, and killing kids was his way of doing it. that he was a lefty was an incidental fact. His former girlfriend even said so.


Naturally, given that you are blinded by the right, you can't see it.
 
This is an in-depth, thorough analysis of the El Paso shooter's words, which clearly echo that of the right wing media, words highlighted, etc., and clearly displayed in the mash up.


the Dayton Shooter had no such manifesto, simply put, he was deranged. His former girlfriend stated that (paraphrased) "this wasn't racism, this was about a guy who got the short end of the stick". In other words, he was a disgruntled loser and was mad at the world for his plight.

The El Paso shooter, however, was clearly enabled by the hate-filled language of Trump and the right wing media and was out to shoot immigrants, noting that a few days prior, someone at a Trump rally said "shoot them', and Trump just laughed and said "Only in El Paso can they get away with that". Precisely what followed was the shooting of 22 people, killing them, and maiming many more.

This is a reiteration of a previous post, but it is more in depth, to illuminate the veracity of the premise. Please watch the video.
:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
It's overwhelmingly clear, given the El Paso's manifesto, that his motivation was racist inspired by right wing media.

There is no evidence of same for the Dayton shooter, but there is evidence he was a disgruntled loser who was latching out at life and crying for attention, and killing kids was his way of doing it. that he was a lefty was an incidental fact. His former girlfriend even said so.


Naturally, given that you are blinded by the right, you can't see it.

No, they were both disturbed individuals. Simple as that.

Now should I deride you in turn, saying that you're simply blinded by being an Identitarian?

Because personal attacks being a sole response from almost all of the posters like you, is starting to become highly annoying.
 
This is an in-depth, thorough analysis of the El Paso shooter's words, which clearly echo that of the right wing media, words highlighted, etc., and clearly displayed in the mash up.


the Dayton Shooter had no such manifesto, simply put, he was deranged. His former girlfriend stated that (paraphrased) "this wasn't racism, this was about a guy who got the short end of the stick". In other words, he was a disgruntled loser and was mad at the world for his plight.

The El Paso shooter, however, was clearly enabled by the hate-filled language of Trump and the right wing media and was out to shoot immigrants, noting that a few days prior, someone at a Trump rally said "shoot them', and Trump just laughed and said "Only in El Paso can they get away with that". Precisely what followed was the shooting of 22 people, killing them, and maiming many more.

This is a reiteration of a previous post, but it is more in depth, to illuminate the veracity of the premise. Please watch the video.

Did you post this to switch the blame to media personalities instead of blaming the actual shooter?
 
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