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How Trump Plans To Change The Endangered Species Act

Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

The GOP is the extinction party.

The Republican Party Xtincts.
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

The Republican Party Xtincts.

They are the party of extinction. Their ideas are blatantly oligarchic. It's amazing to me posters here and voters across the nation think the party of extinction does anything for regular joe americans.
 
As I'm sure the chant of drill baby drill filled you with warmth.

You really don't see to many of those bumper stickers around the gulf anymore...

Ironically global warming is making it more difficult and expensive to drill in the artic...
 
How is Trump going to change the endangered species act?

Congress isn't going to pass a law.

If he uses an executive order, the next president can reverse it on his first day.
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

They are the party of extinction. Their ideas are blatantly oligarchic. It's amazing to me posters here and voters across the nation think the party of extinction does anything for regular joe americans.

Every salesman knows that one in three people are easily influenced...
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

Every salesman knows that one in three people are easily influenced...

They will be responsible for the eradication of natural species.

They are the party of extinction.
 
Okay trump is attacking the EPA, the ESA, healthcare, farmers,the rule of law ,education and now he is open to restricting the second amendment.

And people actually wonder why I appose the this con artist, he has moved this country backwards more than any other president in my lifetime...

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I am not sure that requiring cost estimates to be attached but not considered is reducing the regulatory burdens as they seem to be arguing as being their motive. I haven't really found a specific reference to a change that causes me to raise an eyebrow other than one that indicated that there will no longer be blanket protections for newly listed species, but I could no find any details as to what they are doing there.
 
The part where it says the changes will make it harder for scientists to add species to the list that are threatened by climate change and adding an economic analysis to the value of a species.

So ironic - "an economic value". What currency system do the animals use?
 
I am not sure that requiring cost estimates to be attached but not considered is reducing the regulatory burdens as they seem to be arguing as being their motive. I haven't really found a specific reference to a change that causes me to raise an eyebrow other than one that indicated that there will no longer be blanket protections for newly listed species, but I could no find any details as to what they are doing there.

What you're saying is - what's wrong with generating a lot of "red tape" documents, that accomplish nothing? If the guidelines maintain the status quo, why make the changes? The fact is that it will introduce loopholes for Corporations.
 
If it ain't broke don't fix it!

In my lifetime Republicans have done very, very few things that actually benefited our nation, however the environmental protection act and the endangered species act were two things they could be proud of.

Now they are trying hard to remove those.

They are making it VERY clear that the health of the nation is not a heir number one priority...
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

Why are you posting something off-topic

Sorry, I wasn't clear. My quip was an attempt at satire on Felis Leo's question;

"...what specific changes do you object to?"

I was attempting to apply your comment (that I agree with), to both conservative questions;

1 - "What specifically was Jeffrey Epstein charged with do you object to".
2 - "What specifically has Trump done that makes him a racist?".

Both questions have such obvious answers, they're both not worth answering. My satire obviously sucks if it requires an explanation. Never mind...
 
Great. Why support a dying industry producing stuff nobody wants? Coal. Sounds stupidly futile to me.

Good question, propping up the dying coal industry is just welfare for our flyover states...
 
What you're saying is - what's wrong with generating a lot of "red tape" documents, that accomplish nothing? If the guidelines maintain the status quo, why make the changes? The fact is that it will introduce loopholes for Corporations.

What I am saying is I don't understand why they made the change as far as cost estimates since those are not to be considered in determining whether or not the species is listed if reducing burden is what they are going for. I suppose it could slow down the approval process if that is what they are hoping for which is not good, but at the same time, being able to assign a dollar value to these things could be shown as showing how much commitment there is to saving a species. I also indicated I have not seen any details for what this no blanket protection for new species is about. Hopefully states will pick up some of the slack with their regulations. I have also read that global warming cannot be attributed to a cause for a species being listed. That just seems symbolic as a species is endangered or it is not. I am not just clear what the true overall impacts are here so I am not going to offer partisan criticism until I am clear about the nuts and bolts as I am neither a republican nor a democrat so my interest relates to how effective a policy is, not who is behind it.
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

Sorry, I wasn't clear. My quip was an attempt at satire on Felis Leo's question;

"...what specific changes do you object to?"

I was attempting to apply your comment (that I agree with), to both conservative questions;

1 - "What specifically was Jeffrey Epstein charged with do you object to".
2 - "What specifically has Trump done that makes him a racist?".

Both questions have such obvious answers, they're both not worth answering. My satire obviously sucks if it requires an explanation. Never mind...

Ah, no, that explains it, thanks for clarifying.

Good post.
 
Good question, propping up the dying coal industry is just welfare for our flyover states...

But so much worse than welfare, given the harm to the climate. It'd be as if welfare include radioactive materials to leave around. All to get votes for power to pass corporate plutocracy... It's the sort of problem as if countries with rainforests allow destroying them because of the profits.
 
If it ain't broke don't fix it!

In my lifetime Republicans have done very, very few things that actually benefited our nation, however the environmental protection act and the endangered species act were two things they could be proud of.

Now they are trying hard to remove those.

They are making it VERY clear that the health of the nation is not a heir number one priority...

We're way past it being clear the good of the country is something they happily attack. Add the Voting Rights bill they voted for and later gutted to your list. The Republican Party has radicalized into corrupt libertarians pushing plutocracy.
 
So ironic - "an economic value". What currency system do the animals use?

It seems like it's simply saying, 'oh, it costs money to not make a species extinct, you can go ahead and make it extinct then.'
 
How is Trump going to change the endangered species act?

Congress isn't going to pass a law.

If he uses an executive order, the next president can reverse it on his first day.

It's more complicated than that, but yes, the next president can eventually reverse the changes as I understand it. Other than bringing back the species that went extinct in the meantime.
 
Great. Why support a dying industry producing stuff nobody wants? Coal. Sounds stupidly futile to me.

I never said I supported coal, and what does coal have to the with the Endangered Species Act?
 
I never said I supported coal, and what does coal have to the with the Endangered Species Act?

Ask the person you replied to in post #4; "sounds good to me". If that isn't a ringing endorsement, tell me what is.
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

First off, Old N' Chill started a thread on this topic almost three hours ago, Craig234. And he provided a link.

Second, what specific changes do you object to?

The Interior Department's decisions here will now be - for the first time - influenced by money and profit. i.e. a corporation with an opportunity to increase their profit trumps protecting an endangered species in any given locale. Ranchers, developers and the fossil fuel industry have urged Republican lawmakers to change the act for decades, since 1973 when the Endangered Species Act was passed.
 
Re: trump is so bad, that his gutting the endangered species act today doesn't even have a thread ye

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Published on Sep 19, 2013

The Endangered Species Act of 1973 is by far the most significant piece of endangered species legislation and is considered one of the world's most important conservation laws. The bald eagle now soars the sky in every state across the nation. The black-footed ferret, once teetered on the brink of extinction, but now has hundreds of ferrets bred in captivity and more than 1000 in the wild. And the Tennesse purple coneflower now blooms its beautiful purple petals in its historic range after 32 years of federal protection.

Today the Endangered Species Act protects more than 1400 U.S. species and 600 foreign species. It provides a critical safety net for fish, wildlife and plants and has prevented the extinction of hundreds of imperiled species, helped the recovery of many others, and conserved the habitats upon which they depend.

Forty years later, we can look back at the successes we've shared, and look ahead to the work that still needs to be done. Habitat degradation, climate change, invasive species and many other issues threaten our nation's threatened and endangered species.

It is under the Endangered Species Act that we protect the animals, plants and habitats that make up the fabric of our nation's natural tapestry. And we can all celebrate that by conserving them, we help ensure the benefits that accrue from them—healthy air, land, and water—on which we depend.


 
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