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This Is Medicare For All

MFA sucks because in order to actually have good healthcare, you have to buy several different supplements to go along with it, on top of the premiums you already pay for Medicare itself. The reason there are so many supplements is because MFA sucks by itself.

Are you on Medicare? The is NO such thing as "MFA", so you can't know that it "sucks" it doesn't exist. The supplements are a little hard to understand when you're getting started but there are many experts out there to guide you. Like I said I've never had better health care.

But you touched on a point that needs to be considered; "on top of the premiums you already pay for Medicare itself". That kind of throws water on the "Government Freebie" argument, doesn't it. Yes I'm sure the People of the United Sates will be sharing the bill but WE will also benefit from a healthier work force and healthier population in general. AND for people like me that can afford it some of the financial burden will be met by "supplements" we can afford.

Done right, "MFA" could be very manageable and we'd end up with a healthier society.
 
you are lying again

Be specific. (you can't because you have no clue what you are talking about)

Let's face facts. Your tribe leader told you to attack Medicare. You are complying. You have no clue WTF you are talking about.

Good God man, just stop.

Totally amazing how you deniers can claim that 100% of everyone would be better off with MFA. Common sense would tell you that that can't possibly be true.
 
define "better"

I challenge you.

I don't have to wait to schedule appointments. I don't have waits at the office itself. When I go to the doctor I see the doctor, not a nurse. If my pre-existing conditions start giving me trouble I get in to see the doctor fairly quickly, I don't have to wait weeks or months, or get told to go to the ER. If I need a new medicine I can get it right away, I don't have to wait months afterward for some government run healthcare to approve it for their country. I don't have to travel distances to have an appointment. The current insurance is through my wife's employer and our annual premiums for a family of four are about $3000. As far as medicines go, I get all generic prescriptions totally free, not even a copay and 99% of my prescriptions are generic. Our deductible is $4000 so even if I were to use it all, we would only be paying roughly $7000 per year in total for a family of four. Everyone accepts the insurance and pretty much everyone is in the network. Haven't found anyone out of the network yet. MFA sucks unless you buy several different supplements to go along with it.
 
No, it's not "the left". If you listen to Hickenlooper, his plan for universal healthcare isn't single payer. Some of the bigger names like Sanders and such are pushing a single payer system. It's one way to do it, but you'd still have to address costs in the industry. It's not government control of the industry itself and thus the problems that exist currently would continue to exist. Other nations with universal coverage don't all have single payer systems. But they do have more access to and pay less for healthcare than we do.

No matter what, the bottom line is that there is an issue with our system, it's broken and it's causing people to go broke as is. We need to do something.

I agree we need to do something but I don't really like any Democrat's plan. They continue with the top down approach instead of finding the root causes of why healthcare is so expensive.
 
off subject but that is all you have

it was your assertion that they were on Medicare so it is on you to prove the were

but this is also off subject, weather they were or were not has nothing to do with the merits of medicare.

Medicare sucks because the only way it is good is if you buy several supplements to go along with it. The left want MFA, which sucks unless you buy the many supplements.
 
again. you just made stuff up

If you don't buy the supplements then MFA sucks. That's why most everyone has to buy supplements, because Medicare all by itself sucks. This is not brain surgery. If Medicare was so great people wouldn't need to buy supplements.
 
Medicare is equal to a Silver plan on the health insurance exchanges. Many employer based plans are better but they are subsidized by tax breaks. It is never as simple as people claim. What is more when you retire or if you lose your job, you lose that insurance as it is tied to your job.

I don't disagree with any of that. But, many here are trying to claim that MFA would be better than what I currently have. It wouldn't. It wouldn't even be close. As you said, "many employer based plans are better" and that's the same thing that I am saying and the left want to argue with me over it. Forcing MFA on all of those who have better plans through their employers is just plain wrong.
 
I don't believe right wing horror stories about single payer.

I have heard many horror stories myself straight from the horses mouth. I don't deny there are horror stories regarding current healthcare but the left seem to deny that there are horror stories regarding single payer.
 
If you don't buy the supplements then MFA sucks. That's why most everyone has to buy supplements, because Medicare all by itself sucks. This is not brain surgery. If Medicare was so great people wouldn't need to buy supplements.

More lies that you know nothing about.
 
I don't disagree with any of that. But, many here are trying to claim that MFA would be better than what I currently have. It wouldn't. It wouldn't even be close. As you said, "many employer based plans are better" and that's the same thing that I am saying and the left want to argue with me over it. Forcing MFA on all of those who have better plans through their employers is just plain wrong.

You have no clue if it would or wouldn't. Good God. How can one be so compelled to ignore fact in favor of agenda?
 
If you don't buy the supplements then MFA sucks..

There is no MFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This entire thread is a straight up troll.

I am out. This is nonsense, ignorance and agenda mixed into one ridiculous pile of crap.
 
Elderly couple found dead from murder-suicide after they couldn’t afford wife’s healthcare: ‘We will be in the front bedroom’


I thought Medicare for all was supposed to be the answer. Apparently it isn't all it is cracked up to be.

What an utterly moronic post. The couple was in their late 70s and presumably on Medicare, which would cover far more for them than any private sector, unsubsidized plan ever could. Let's completely do away with Medicare. What percentage of 75 year olds do you think could afford equivalent coverage, unsubsidized, through Humana or BCBS? You have any idea what BCBS would have to charge in premiums to a 75 year old? Easily over 30k a year, most likely well over that.
 
I agree we need to do something but I don't really like any Democrat's plan. They continue with the top down approach instead of finding the root causes of why healthcare is so expensive.

Yeah, but at the same accord no one is looking to find the root causes of why healthcare is so expensive. So as naive and incomplete as Medicare for All or some other Universal Healthcare proposal may be, it's better than anything the Republicans are doing since they are doing jack and squat about it.

I'd prefer that we get to the root causes as well. Whether we need to encourage the proper competition or establish proper levels of regulation/oversight or other ways we can work with providers, entities, and actors within the healthcare system to lower costs. Would be ideal. But no one is doing that. So at that point, an incomplete solution is better than no solution.
 
The Dems oppose a wall. The GOP opposes expanded health coverage and providers getting a handle on their costs.

The GOP isn’t going to get Dem support for a wall, and the Dems won’t get GOP support for improving our health care system. Quite a pickle.

Your first line is just plain wrong. Republicans want to decrease costs so that more people can afford health insurance, which expands the coverage. And the poorer get free healthcare anyway, in several different ways. And, I have no idea what you mean by Republicans oppose "providers getting a handle on their costs". Democrats only solution is to stiff providers and pay them less money. I would be all for working with providers to help them control their costs but you don't treat them like the enemy and you don't stiff them on their payments. You help them decrease their costs anyway you can without just stiffing them on their payments.
 
Are you on Medicare? The is NO such thing as "MFA", so you can't know that it "sucks" it doesn't exist. The supplements are a little hard to understand when you're getting started but there are many experts out there to guide you. Like I said I've never had better health care.

But you touched on a point that needs to be considered; "on top of the premiums you already pay for Medicare itself". That kind of throws water on the "Government Freebie" argument, doesn't it. Yes I'm sure the People of the United Sates will be sharing the bill but WE will also benefit from a healthier work force and healthier population in general. AND for people like me that can afford it some of the financial burden will be met by "supplements" we can afford.

Done right, "MFA" could be very manageable and we'd end up with a healthier society.

Medicare sucks because you have to buy supplements to go with it. The reason for that is Medicare sucks all by itself. That's why you need to buy several additional supplements. This isn't brain surgery. They have all of these supplements for a reason - because Medicare sucks all by itself with no supplements.
 
You have no clue if it would or wouldn't. Good God. How can one be so compelled to ignore fact in favor of agenda?

I don't know but Democrats are hell bent on taking everyone's insurance away, even the millions of people who like what they currently have, all in the name of their agenda. Nothing gets in their way. Full steam ahead and to hell with everyone who doesn't want to be steamrolled.
 
There is no MFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This entire thread is a straight up troll.

I am out. This is nonsense, ignorance and agenda mixed into one ridiculous pile of crap.

I accept your complete and total surrender.
 
I don't disagree with any of that. But, many here are trying to claim that MFA would be better than what I currently have. It wouldn't. It wouldn't even be close. As you said, "many employer based plans are better" and that's the same thing that I am saying and the left want to argue with me over it. Forcing MFA on all of those who have better plans through their employers is just plain wrong.

Personally, I would prefer that my health insurance not be tied to my job. I have always had fairly good employer based plans, but they make it hard to change jobs, and my employers change the plans frequently. Over the years the cost of the plans have been shifted more to the employee. Plus if you know how insurance works, the cost of an Employer based plan is tied to the cost of insuring the group of employees. It's better to spread the cost over bigger groups to gain the economy of having more low cost people on the plans. That is what the ACA did. Of course this means healthy people subsidized unhealthy people but that is true of current employer based plans. If your young and healthy group plans always cost more, but only until you are no longer young or healthy. At that point you lose your good insurance and may not be able to get an affordable plan. Everyone has health issues eventually. No matter how good your current insurance is, it is not guaranteed for life. I prefer health care insurance to cover us from birth to death.
 
What an utterly moronic post. The couple was in their late 70s and presumably on Medicare, which would cover far more for them than any private sector, unsubsidized plan ever could. Let's completely do away with Medicare. What percentage of 75 year olds do you think could afford equivalent coverage, unsubsidized, through Humana or BCBS? You have any idea what BCBS would have to charge in premiums to a 75 year old? Easily over 30k a year, most likely well over that.

This is what Democrats want us to have - MFA. Didn't seem to help these people.
 
Your first line is just plain wrong. Republicans want to decrease costs so that more people can afford health insurance, which expands the coverage. And the poorer get free healthcare anyway, in several different ways. And, I have no idea what you mean by Republicans oppose "providers getting a handle on their costs". Democrats only solution is to stiff providers and pay them less money. I would be all for working with providers to help them control their costs but you don't treat them like the enemy and you don't stiff them on their payments. You help them decrease their costs anyway you can without just stiffing them on their payments.

Am I speaking with a goldfish? Reread my posts from earlier in the thread if you don’t remember them. Work with the providers to fix the financial incentives underpinning care delivery and help them get a handle on their costs has been ongoing for years now under the ACA. The GOP has been working for years, up to and including the present day, to destroy the ACA and reverse that work.
 
Yeah, but at the same accord no one is looking to find the root causes of why healthcare is so expensive. So as naive and incomplete as Medicare for All or some other Universal Healthcare proposal may be, it's better than anything the Republicans are doing since they are doing jack and squat about it.

I'd prefer that we get to the root causes as well. Whether we need to encourage the proper competition or establish proper levels of regulation/oversight or other ways we can work with providers, entities, and actors within the healthcare system to lower costs. Would be ideal. But no one is doing that. So at that point, an incomplete solution is better than no solution.

Just like gun control, I get tired of both sides not getting to the root cause of the problems. I slap them both in the face and refuse to accept their stupid solutions which will do very little for both problems. I am 100% against taking millions of people's health insurance away that they are happy with and telling them they will have to accept a whole new ballgame.
 
I have heard many horror stories myself straight from the horses mouth. I don't deny there are horror stories regarding current healthcare but the left seem to deny that there are horror stories regarding single payer.

I never claimed that it was perfect. It's a better system, though.
 
That is exactly what the left believes. Help the poorer and to hell with everyone else. Why can't we just help those who need the help and leave everyone else the hell alone?

Knock it off with 'the left' this 'the left' that.. Try to sound intelligent..
 
Personally, I would prefer that my health insurance not be tied to my job. I have always had fairly good employer based plans, but they make it hard to change jobs, and my employers change the plans frequently. Over the years the cost of the plans have been shifted more to the employee. Plus if you know how insurance works, the cost of an Employer based plan is tied to the cost of insuring the group of employees. It's better to spread the cost over bigger groups to gain the economy of having more low cost people on the plans. That is what the ACA did. Of course this means healthy people subsidized unhealthy people but that is true of current employer based plans. If your young and healthy group plans always cost more, but only until you are no longer young or healthy. At that point you lose your good insurance and may not be able to get an affordable plan. Everyone has health issues eventually. No matter how good your current insurance is, it is not guaranteed for life. I prefer health care insurance to cover us from birth to death.

I don't buy the job changing argument. All jobs provide salary and some kind of benefits and it is all part of working there. Many people are in jobs making "X" per year and don't want to quit because they know they would probably take a pay cut. They don't want to quit because they will have to start seniority all over again. They don't want to quit because they aren't fully vested in their retirement. They don't want to quit because of the retirement plan being better than other places. They don't want to quit because, even though they hate their job, it's easy and they like the hours. They don't want to quit because they have friends there. They don't want to quit because the commute is easy. There are a number of reasons why people don't want to quit they job they are working at and feel stuck there. So what if health insurance is one of them?
 
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