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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Even if you are able to afford your Medicare (for some) premiums, which consume about 17% of my girlfriend's Social Security income, does not mean that you will have no additional out-of-pocket medical care costs.
    Indeed. My sister and I help my mother with her out-of-pocket medical costs.

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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    Indeed. My sister and I help my mother with her out-of-pocket medical costs.
    I would like to see a bill making current Medicare have no premiums, deductibles or co-pays and to offer the "complete" coverage that M4A is supposed to offer funded entirely by an increase in the FICA payroll tax just to let folks have some idea as to the (equally shared?) cost of a M4A system.
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I would like to see a bill making current Medicare have no premiums, deductibles or co-pays and to offer the "complete" coverage that M4A is supposed to offer funded entirely by an increase in the FICA payroll tax just to let folks have some idea as to the (equally shared?) cost of a M4A system.
    It will also need to regulate the drug industry, to get rid of the chronic price gouging on medicines.
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

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    Looks like you need a cold place with a bunch of white people to have a high quality of life.

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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    It will also need to regulate the drug industry, to get rid of the chronic price gouging on medicines.
    Why? That was not done as part of Medicare (for some) legislation. The first step is to come clean about the actual costs of medical care - then we can start to talk about finding ways to reduce them. We have no problem letting the single-payer DoD fund huge profits for the MIC, yet you somehow expect that congress critters are going to make those evil drug companies behave better (once you let them take over as the single-payer, of course).
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why? That was not done as part of Medicare (for some) legislation. The first step is to come clean about the actual costs of medical care - then we can start to talk about finding ways to reduce them. We have no problem letting the single-payer DoD fund huge profits for the MIC, yet you somehow expect that congress critters are going to make those evil drug companies behave better (once you let them take over as the single-payer, of course).
    Because, the lack of over site of the financial side industry is the on of the factors in cost of the increased health care prices. Free market has shown it just doesn't work when people's lives on on the line.
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Because, the lack of over site of the financial side industry is the on of the factors in cost of the increased health care prices. Free market has shown it just doesn't work when people's lives on on the line.
    My point must have zoomed over your head. Letting the government become the single-payer does not lower costs - see the MIC.
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    My point must have zoomed over your head. Letting the government become the single-payer does not lower costs - see the MIC.
    Yes, it does.. if it's done right. If you single payer instead of a for profit insurance company, you don't pay the costs for the insurance company in form of profits. Then, if you regulate the price gouging for medicines, that is a big amount of the costs too.
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Yes, it does.. if it's done right. If you single payer instead of a for profit insurance company, you don't pay the costs for the insurance company in form of profits. Then, if you regulate the price gouging for medicines, that is a big amount of the costs too.
    That (bolded above) is precisely my point and the federal government is the single-payer for all DoD (prime) contracts - do you see any evidence that they make attempts to cut out the middle man or insist on non-profit providers? If not then, exactly, why do you expect the same (campaign cash dependent) congress critters to treat some other industry differently once they grant themselves the power to be the single-payer?

    Are public schools great examples of lean, mean and efficient institutions that are doing a great job at cost control? Simply make an honest assessment of the existing, real world examples of single-payer (government run) systems.
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    Re: This Is Medicare For All

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavister View Post
    How do you know they were on Medicare? Does the article say it (I did not see it) or you just assume it based on their age?

    Also, it's good to know you want to fix Medicare to cover parts it does not have yet.
    They were in their 70's. Are you saying that they weren't? Come on now, that is a very lame argument.

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