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Why do so many young people think socialism is good.

Logical1

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These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

No one is advocating for full socialism. What is sad is the amount of right-wing idiots that believe the Dems are wanting full socialism when they don't. Time for many right-wingers to go back to school to learn political systems.
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

Your "coffee and breakfast" group run out of material this morning?
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

Well, I do not imagine all those young men and women who pine for socialism are entitled snot-nosed brats, Logical1. Certainly, those here who pine for socialism seem to work very hard.

But let us discuss a few things that make people talking about socialism a bit more digestible. First, the American University system is decidedly left-wing, with a few notable exceptions (i.e., the Chicago School of Economics, Hillsdale College, Stanford's Hoover Institute). So they are constantly inundated with a romantic notion of what socialism represents. And then of course there are people who constantly elide what socialism means, stating that any public institution paid for with taxpayer money represents socialism (roads, police departments, etc.) to try and muddy the waters.

Second, the students graduating now have no memory of the Cold War, and indeed, many were born after the fall of the Soviet Union and after China turned from socialism to state-sponsored capitalism. So, short of Venezuela, they have no conception of what the state taking over and directing a nation's economy can really result in.

Finally must be remembered that most of those young men and women (though not all) struggle with something that many older members here never had to struggle with: Massive student loan debt. Many young men and women were sold a bill of goods by their parents, society in general and certainly our education system constantly telling them how necessary a degree from an institute of higher learning is to compete in the global economy. And in some cases it is, certainly in the STEM fields. But having, say, $200,000.00 in student loan debt for your Masters in Music Theory from Juilliard may not be as wise an investment because there may not be nearly as high a demand for Music Theory Masters.

All this can help explain a generational shift towards socialism.
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

Probably because mom and dad (if he is still around) have told them that the gravy train is not endless (perhaps at about age 18) and that they had best find another source of funding. They soon discover that a McJob is not going to give them the ability to repay their student loans and that their (almost a?) degree in music, sports management or citrus studies is not going to get their resume placed on the top of the "cushy desk job for life of their dreams" hiring list.
 
Well, I do not imagine all those young men and women who pine for socialism are entitled snot-nosed brats, Logical1. Certainly, those here who pine for socialism seem to work very hard.

But let us discuss a few things that make people talking about socialism a bit more digestible. First, the American University system is decidedly left-wing, with a few notable exceptions (i.e., the Chicago School of Economics, Hillsdale College, Stanford's Hoover Institute). So they are constantly inundated with a romantic notion of what socialism represents. And then of course there are people who constantly elide what socialism means, stating that any public institution paid for with taxpayer money represents socialism (roads, police departments, etc.) to try and muddy the waters.

Second, the students graduating now have no memory of the Cold War, and indeed, many were born after the fall of the Soviet Union and after China turned from socialism to state-sponsored capitalism. So, short of Venezuela, they have no conception of what the state taking over and directing a nation's economy can really result in.

Finally must be remembered that most of those young men and women (though not all) struggle with something that many older members here never had to struggle with: Massive student loan debt. Many young men and women were sold a bill of goods by their parents, society in general and certainly our education system constantly telling them how necessary a degree from an institute of higher learning is to compete in the global economy. And in some cases it is, certainly in the STEM fields. But having, say, $200,000.00 in student loan debt for your Masters in Music Theory from Juilliard may not be as wise an investment because there may not be nearly as high a demand for Music Theory Masters.

All this can help explain a generational shift towards socialism.

In a socialist economy, McDonald's is run by government employees. Are seriously suggesting that universities promote this idea and young people support it?

The problem is conservatives have distorted the meaning of the word socialism. They label universal healthcare, like Germany has, socialism. That allows them to employ the equivocation fallacy.

Do you want universal healthcare? So you're saying you want the same central planning totalitarian government that failed in the USSR?

You're employing the same fallacy. I thought you were smarter than to use known fallacies.

Equivocation
(also known as: doublespeak)

Description: Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading.

Equivocation
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

I don't see young people or anyone really, who wants everyone in the US to have access to affordable health care, access to higher education, and a living wage as a bad thing. Thinking that hard work always pays off is as silly as thinking you can get something for nothing. Millions of people work hard every day and don't have access to any of those things.

How is it that we can send millions of dollars in aid to other countries, yet still have children who go to bed hungry? How is it that we can spend $700 million on the military, yet there are people in the US who can't afford life-saving medicine? How is it that the average worker pays more in taxes than companies making billions of dollars in profit?

I grow tired of these "old" people whose only answer to things is "work harder" "stop complaining" "you don't get something for nothing". What that sounds to me is someone unhappy that they have worked hard all their lives and don't have the lifestyle that they really want, even though they did what they thought they were supposed to. Instead of complaining about the "young snots", why not go out and make the world a better place for everyone, not just yourself.

You want to tell me that wanting a better life for everyone is a bad thing and I will kindly tell you to **** off.
 
Well, I do not imagine all those young men and women who pine for socialism are entitled snot-nosed brats, Logical1. Certainly, those here who pine for socialism seem to work very hard.

But let us discuss a few things that make people talking about socialism a bit more digestible. First, the American University system is decidedly left-wing, with a few notable exceptions (i.e., the Chicago School of Economics, Hillsdale College, Stanford's Hoover Institute). So they are constantly inundated with a romantic notion of what socialism represents. And then of course there are people who constantly elide what socialism means, stating that any public institution paid for with taxpayer money represents socialism (roads, police departments, etc.) to try and muddy the waters.

Second, the students graduating now have no memory of the Cold War, and indeed, many were born after the fall of the Soviet Union and after China turned from socialism to state-sponsored capitalism. So, short of Venezuela, they have no conception of what the state taking over and directing a nation's economy can really result in.

Finally must be remembered that most of those young men and women (though not all) struggle with something that many older members here never had to struggle with: Massive student loan debt. Many young men and women were sold a bill of goods by their parents, society in general and certainly our education system constantly telling them how necessary a degree from an institute of higher learning is to compete in the global economy. And in some cases it is, certainly in the STEM fields. But having, say, $200,000.00 in student loan debt for your Masters in Music Theory from Juilliard may not be as wise an investment because there may not be nearly as high a demand for Music Theory Masters.

All this can help explain a generational shift towards socialism.
Referring to your last paragraph there is somewhat of a joke on facebook that explains some of the problem. It is a story about Jack and Bill. Jack goes to college and get a degree in some useless major. Bill does an apprenticeship in electrical contracting. Jack runs up a huge college debt and cant find a job. Bill is making $80,000 a year while in his apprenticeship and has no debt. In the last scenes, Jack is saying anyone without a college degree is stupid. And Bill is up on a power pole disconnecting Jack's power because he hasnt paid his power bill.
 
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Your "coffee and breakfast" group run out of material this morning?

And for you too, im just making an observation of why so many young people have been lead down the garden path to socialism that never has worked.
 
No one is advocating for full socialism.
Some do, actually, but I get your point. . . . most don't advocate "full" socialism. . . many only advocate socialist policies.

Social Security is a socialist policy. That doesn't mean the US is a socialist country.
 
No one is advocating for full socialism. What is sad is the amount of right-wing idiots that believe the Dems are wanting full socialism when they don't. Time for many right-wingers to go back to school to learn political systems.

Yes, no one is advocating for "full" socialism. However, when has the left stopped at just a little? A little bit of socialism leads to more, and them more. The left cannot control themselves.

See, if the left is willing to call every DJT supporter a "white supremacist" what makes anyone believe the left will behave responsibly and stop at a little bit of socialism?
 
I don't see young people or anyone really, who wants everyone in the US to have access to affordable health care, access to higher education, and a living wage as a bad thing. Thinking that hard work always pays off is as silly as thinking you can get something for nothing. Millions of people work hard every day and don't have access to any of those things.

How is it that we can send millions of dollars in aid to other countries, yet still have children who go to bed hungry? How is it that we can spend $700 million on the military, yet there are people in the US who can't afford life-saving medicine? How is it that the average worker pays more in taxes than companies making billions of dollars in profit?

I grow tired of these "old" people whose only answer to things is "work harder" "stop complaining" "you don't get something for nothing". What that sounds to me is someone unhappy that they have worked hard all their lives and don't have the lifestyle that they really want, even though they did what they thought they were supposed to. Instead of complaining about the "young snots", why not go out and make the world a better place for everyone, not just yourself.

You want to tell me that wanting a better life for everyone is a bad thing and I will kindly tell you to **** off.

Well when I left the farm my net worth was probably $50. I joined the Navy worked hard is their electronics school and graduated 2nd in the class. I worked hard in my rate got promoted to E5 pay grade for two of the 4 years I was in the Navy. Due to my hard work in the Navy I got a great paying job servicing office machines and computers. I had that job for 47 years until I retired. Again due to hard work I got regular pay raises and promotions. I am now retired with a good pension and health benefits. Hard work DOES PAY.

So dont mislead young people that hard work doesnt pay, because it does just like it did for me.
 
These days so all the young snots dont whine EVERYONE is given a trophy for competing. Life DOES NOT work that way, and they need to learn that while young.

When they get out of school and get a job, not everyone is going to get promoted or a raise. The socialist/commies will tell them they will get something for nothing if they vote for them, but IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!

First off, nobody wants straight up socialism. it will always be capitalism with some socialistic ideals.

Secondly, because it works. Every industrialized country in the world has universal healthcare and their citizens are happy about it. No bankruptcy because they can't afford, no dying because you can't afford insulin or can't even go to the doctor like we have hear. Europe has highest quality of life because their government works for the people, and helps the people, unlike this country where they only work for the rich. No longer are most elderly and mentally ill homeless and broke from medical expenses and dying in the streets because they can't work, thanks to SS and Medicare. Kids are not starving to death becasue of SNAP and food lunch programs at school. People aren't out on the streets starving because of welfare and other assitance.


I'd flip that around, tell my why so many thing pure capitalism works when all we get in return is all the weatlh and power in the hands of a few, highest rate of imprisonment in the world while capitalists profit for keeping people in prison and absurdly long sentences, while we constnatly are fighting wars and kiling people so capitalists can profit off death and destruction, we have nearly 1/2 the country living paycheck to paycheck, insane poverty rates in the wealthiest country in the world, the government works solely for the rich, worker salary and benefits are not keeping up with rising costs.

Sorry, we have seen the failure of capitalism, particularly republican "tax cuts for the rich creat jobs" bS
 
No one is advocating for full socialism. What is sad is the amount of right-wing idiots that believe the Dems are wanting full socialism when they don't. Time for many right-wingers to go back to school to learn political systems.

Every thing these people believe about dems is complete lies. Every argument they make is based off of completely fictional, made up stuff. They have nothing, no facts, no logic, no reasoning, no argument what so ever, all they do is lie. And ironically try to project their deplorable behavior on dems. And fail miserably
 
Referring to your last paragraph there is somewhat of a joke on facebook that explains some of the problem. It is a story about Jack and Bill. Jack goes to college and get a degree in some useless major. Bill does an apprenticeship in electrical contracting. Jack runs up a huge college debt and cant find a job. Bill is making $80,000 a year while in his apprenticeship and has no debt. In the last scenes, Jack is saying anyone without a college degree is stupid. And Bill is up on a power pole disconnecting Jack's power because he hasnt paid his power bill.

Of course, right winger have to believe made up stories. or worse, they go find the story of one person, and try to pretend it is the norm. As usual, right wingers getting embarrassed by facts and actual arguments
 
Well when I left the farm my net worth was probably $50. I joined the Navy worked hard is their electronics school and graduated 2nd in the class. I worked hard in my rate got promoted to E5 pay grade for two of the 4 years I was in the Navy. Due to my hard work in the Navy I got a great paying job servicing office machines and computers. I had that job for 47 years until I retired. Again due to hard work I got regular pay raises and promotions. I am now retired with a good pension and health benefits. Hard work DOES PAY.

So dont mislead young people that hard work doesnt pay, because it does just like it did for me.

I never said hard work doesn't pay. All I said was that everyone should have access to affordable healthcare, affordable higher education, and a living wage.
 
Every thing these people believe about dems is complete lies. Every argument they make is based off of completely fictional, made up stuff. They have nothing, no facts, no logic, no reasoning, no argument what so ever, all they do is lie. And ironically try to project their deplorable behavior on dems. And fail miserably

Nope we just listen to the insane things democrat candidates say they want to do if elected.
 
I never said hard work doesn't pay. All I said was that everyone should have access to affordable healthcare, affordable higher education, and a living wage.

That comes thru hard work.
 
I once saw a sig that compared socialism to Axe body spray. They both promise and don't deliver and young people buy them anyway.
 
In a socialist economy, McDonald's is run by government employees. Are seriously suggesting that universities promote this idea and young people support it?

Yes, I am seriously suggesting that University faculties and professors are happy to promote socialism and that young people support it.

The problem is conservatives have distorted the meaning of the word socialism. They label universal healthcare, like Germany has, socialism. That allows them to employ the equivocation fallacy.

No, conservatives have not distorted the meaning of the word "socialism." The problem comes from the political left which uses "socialism" without defining the term in the first place, and when called on it become defensive with feigned innocence. Up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Socialism referred to the theory of political economy referring to common ownership of the means of production typified by state control.

Do you want universal healthcare? So you're saying you want the same central planning totalitarian government that failed in the USSR?

You're employing the same fallacy. I thought you were smarter than to use known fallacies.

Equivocation

Again, I am careful to make the distinctions, SonOfDaedalus. The problem is that many people on the political who were sympathetic to outright supportive of Socialism in the Marxist sense (where the state controls the means of production and the distribution of goods and resources) jumped ship when the flagship of Socialism which was the Soviet Union collapsed and then turned towards redistributist Social Democracy instead.

Because the definition of the word "socialism" has become so muddied, I believe it is on the person claiming to be a socialist and claiming forward socialism to define his or her terms and state clearly and audibly what he or she means when they use the term. It is not on me to presume the most anodyne definition.

Just as if someone claims that they are a nationalist and claims to further the cause of nationalism without defining the term or how they are using it, one cannot be blamed for presuming the worst of the person.
 
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