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“I’m voting for the tax cuts not the racism”

calamity said:
Sorry, that's not a thing. "It's a package deal."

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1159249935595921410

I have to agree. You cannot support one and expect to not be held accountable for the other.

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I agree....

It would, however, be absolutely hilarious to watch evangelicals elect the Devil himself if he offered a tax break to them and then try to claim they weren't responsible for the evil **** that came with it.
 
calamity said:
Sorry, that's not a thing. "It's a package deal."

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1159249935595921410

I have to agree. You cannot support one and expect to not be held accountable for the other.

Agree? Disagree?
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The root of the problem is that this country is so politically polarized. From the point of view of a conservative, it was Trump vs Stalin. Even I would vote for Trump instead of Stalin.

This two-party system is a joke.

All the racists and uneducated people were thrilled when Trump announced himself with his racist proclamation about doing something about all the rapists and murderers coming through the border. Oh, some he assumes are good people. He wasn't sure.

If 30% of Republicans strongly support one candidate, he's going to do well in the primaries. Then if all you have left is Trump and Ted Cruz....the rest is history.

Like Germany in the 1930's sometimes a candidate who is only truly supported by a fraction of the population can rise to power.
 
calamity said:
Sorry, that's not a thing. "It's a package deal."

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1159249935595921410

I have to agree. You cannot support one and expect to not be held accountable for the other.

Agree? Disagree?
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False dilemma.

Since there is no real issue of "Trump racism," it being a false label applied to demonize him; one can happily vote to re-elect the President and support "tax cuts" without being concerned that by doing so they are supporting racism.

IMHO a vote for Trump is actually a vote against the very real racism of those advocating grievance ideology, race-baiting, identity politics, the hierarchy of oppression, and true hate- and fearmongering we see demonstrated over and over on a daily basis by so many of those on the Left. :coffeepap:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Since there is no real issue of "Trump racism," it being a false label applied to demonize him; one can happily vote to re-elect the President and support "tax cuts" without being concerned that by doing so they are supporting racism. :coffeepap:
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"Send her back!"
 
I this case yes, but that's because Trump is way off the scale bad for the world. The damage will be lasting.
Tax cuts, mostly for wealth/business people, funded by debt that the average American will pick up the burden for...no, they aren't even close to balanced.

If it were more minor...like George Bush Sr. vs a Democrat on some policy difference...I'd say in such cases it may be more reasonable to pick and choose your key issues and vote on them...knowing that either way we still have a reasonable president trying to do good by the American people. Completely different if you've got two relatively decent human beings with decent staff, experience, etc.

Trump is bad in every imaginable way, except his rallies entertain like Jerry Springer, which I consider a bad thing for a POTUS, personally, but some love it.
 
Greenbeard said:
The leader of your party, your personal hero, is a Birther.
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Was a Birther.

But hey...you do know that Obama is irrelevant now...right?
 
Captain Adverse said:
False dilemma.

Since there is no real issue of "Trump racism," it being a false label applied to demonize him; one can happily vote to re-elect the President and support "tax cuts" without being concerned that by doing so they are supporting racism. :coffeepap:
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He certainly sounds like a racist when talks about sending a naturalized citizen back to the crime-ridden country she comes from. We can quibble about the word racist. Let's say, nativist. A nativist nationalist.

Hey, I was in denial most of my young life that Reagan was a racist. I was a young Black Republican when I was a kid. I left the Republican party a long time ago after I couldn't deny their "Southern strategy" tactics anymore. Then a month ago I heard the tapes of Reagan calling Africans monkeys and laughing. You can only deny reality for so long.

You really believe a guy who insisted that the first Black president was a fake American born in Kenya is not racist?
 
Captain Adverse said:
False dilemma.

Since there is no real issue of "Trump racism," it being a false label applied to demonize him; one can happily vote to re-elect the President and support "tax cuts" without being concerned that by doing so they are supporting racism.

IMHO a vote for Trump is actually a vote against the very real racism of those advocating grievance ideology, race-baiting, identity politics, the hierarchy of oppression, and true hate- and fearmongering we see demonstrated over and over on a daily basis by so many of those on the Left. :coffeepap:
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The only thing false is post #4.

Supporting Trump and racism is a package deal.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
I agree....

It would, however, be absolutely hilarious to watch evangelicals elect the Devil himself if he offered a tax break to them and then try to claim they weren't responsible for the evil **** that came with it.
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That's exactly what happened.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
He certainly sounds like a racist when talks about sending a naturalized citizen back to the crime-ridden country she comes from. We can quibble about the word racist. Let's say, nativist. A nativist nationalist.

Hey, I was in denial most of my young life that Reagan was a racist. I was a young Black Republican when I was a kid. I left the Republican party a long time ago after I couldn't deny their "Southern strategy" tactics anymore. Then a month ago I heard the tapes of Reagan calling Africans monkeys and laughing. You can only deny reality for so long.

You really believe a guy who insisted that the first Black president was a fake American born in Kenya is not racist?
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Reagan cut off funding to the big cities, pumped crack cocaine into them and then pointed at the resulting carnage, saying, "Look! Told ya so."
 
Greenbeard said:
Right. Racist garbage.
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There was nothing racist about Birther. But hey...when the race card is the only card you got...play it, right?
 
Mach said:
I this case yes, but that's because Trump is way off the scale bad for the world. The damage will be lasting.
Tax cuts, mostly for wealth/business people, funded by debt that the average American will pick up the burden for...no, they aren't even close to balanced.

If it were more minor...like George Bush Sr. vs a Democrat on some policy difference...I'd say in such cases it may be more reasonable to pick and choose your key issues and vote on them...knowing that either way we still have a reasonable president trying to do good by the American people. Completely different if you've got two relatively decent human beings with decent staff, experience, etc.

Trump is bad in every imaginable way, except his rallies entertain like Jerry Springer, which I consider a bad thing for a POTUS, personally, but some love it.
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Jerry Springer, the left be thy name.

Apparently, you're not paying much attention to the Trump resisting, echo chamber's one note drone.
 
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Mycroft said:
There was nothing racist about Birther. But hey...when the race card is the only card you got...play it, right?
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Some of it was motivated by racism, and some was motivated by making sure a potential presidential candidate really was born in this country.
Most of it was motivated by the same sort of partisanship as we are now witnessing from the TDSers but don't you know, their **** never stinks.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You really believe a guy who insisted that the first Black president was a fake American born in Kenya is not racist?
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I think so, since Obama's own half brother was pushing that narrative, fake birth certificates and all. Was Malik Obama a racist for making such statements?

If a person has an honest belief in something, and thinks he hasn't seen sufficient evidence to prove otherwise, how does that make him a "racist?"

Now I always thought this allegation was pretty foolish, as I was fairly sure any individual who seeks that office is going to be vetted three ways from Sunday by the FBI, CIA, and other alphabet soup agencies well before they get close to any nomination.

Trump did eventually admit he was wrong. He could have done so sooner, but some people are stubborn in their belief.

I mean (not as a deflection but simply as an example), there are many people who still believe that Trump called Nazi's and White Supremacists "very fine people," despite all evidence to the contrary.

Sometimes it takes a while for people to come to realize they were wrong. Longer for some than for other's. :shrug:
 
Captain Adverse said:
If a person has an honest belief in something, and thinks he hasn't seen sufficient evidence to prove otherwise, how does that make him a "racist?"
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You honestly think your president is such a dolt that he really doubted Obies birth?

Oh come on, even a Trumpet cant be that ridiculous.
 
trixare4kids said:
Jerry Springer, the left be thy name.
Apparently, you're not paying much attention to the Trump resisting, echo chamber's one note drone.
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You love his rallies? I figured you did. I prefer to keep entertainers as entertainers, and world leaders as capable, reasonable, responsible, adults without conflict of interest, no tweeting, no tweeting hate every other day, less golf, not cancelling pres briefings, not lying constantly, not lying in press briefings so much, not being OK with Russians interfering in our election, not refusing to say anything bad about Russia's attacks on the U.S., not agreeing with Putin over U.S. intelligence, not calling American districts rat-invested, no one wants to live there places, not talking about women bleeding from who knows where, not yelling INVASION about immigrants after also claiming Mexico is mostly send these people who are rapists and murderers, filled his ranks with apparent federal criminals and failures so many of which had to leave in disgrace, etc.

I don't know Trix, that's off the top of my head, and that's a lot of notes! It's a symphony of some of the worst the human race has to offer, no way that there is just one note to oppose Trump for!
 
Mycroft said:
There was nothing racist about Birther.
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Holy ****, are you a Birther?

Captain Adverse said:
If a person has an honest belief in something, and thinks he hasn't seen sufficient evidence to prove otherwise, how does that make him a "racist
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Well, when you put it like that. Trump just believes so hard that black people aren't actually Americans, what could be racist about such a sincerely held belief?

The crowds at his Klan rallies are right, send them back!
 
Captain Adverse said:
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Now I always thought this allegation was pretty foolish, as I was fairly sure any individual who seeks that office is going to be vetted three ways from Sunday by the FBI, CIA, and other alphabet soup agencies well before they get close to any nomination.
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So somehow you knew Obama wasn’t born in Kenya and that the claim was foolish but Trump couldn’t figure out what almost everyone else could? By your own words he’s either a fool or a racist.

Maybe you’re right. Maybe he’s not racist. Maybe he’s just really dumb.



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