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New poll, Bernie Sanders falling further behind Biden and Warren

:shock: ~ Bernie went nuts. Sadly he jumped onto the Trump Hate Wagon and that's the end .
I doubt any of the current crop of Democratic contenders will last. The one to challenge Trump has yet to be seen. Maybe Howard Schultz ...?
 
LosAngelesAngel said:
:shock: ~ Bernie went nuts. Sadly he jumped onto the Trump Hate Wagon and that's the end .
I doubt any of the current crop of Democratic contenders will last. The one to challenge Trump has yet to be seen. Maybe Howard Schultz ...?
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Well what do you ****in' know, a Trump supporter doesn't like a candidate that criticized Trump. This is certainly indicative of not just jack, but also of ****!
 
iguanaman said:
Biden can win Georgia.
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Bold of you to assume the Republicans will actually let Democrats vote in Georgia! Jokes aside, I'd like to see Biden stop hemorrhaging support before I start placing any bets for him. I'm willing to put money behind Harris or O'Rourke (like that'll happen) before Biden, especially if his lukewarm debate performances continue into the Presidential ones.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Bold of you to assume the Republicans will actually let Democrats vote in Georgia! Jokes aside, I'd like to see Biden stop hemorrhaging support before I start placing any bets for him. I'm willing to put money behind Harris or O'Rourke (like that'll happen) before Biden, especially if his lukewarm debate performances continue into the Presidential ones.
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Well, lukewarm to outright disastrous.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Need to beat Sanders FIRST, THEN beat Trump.
Are you familiar with the process? It's called the Primaries.
The General Elections happen later.
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Why are you unnecessarily hostile to anyone who calls out your unhealthy obsession with Bernie Sanders
 
GreatNews2night said:
No, they didn't cheat, they merely supported their preferred candidate. That's not cheating. They didn't cast fraudulent votes. They didn't destroy votes for Sanders. They didn't prevent him from running. They didn't intimidate his voters.

If you think that a party having a preference and rooting for one of their candidates to win the nomination is cheating, you know nothing about elections in places like, say, Crimea or Venezuela.
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The media literally showed Trump's empty podium before his rallies, rather than show a Bernie Sanders townhall. That's not merely "supporting their preferred candidate". People thought Trump was a joke, and so they hyper-focused on him, and did not give Bernie even a sliver of a chance. And, in terms of the primaries, there were times when Bernie either won, or maybe could have won, but the entire system was setup against him. It was admitted by Donna Brazile, and acknowledged by everyone with a principled stance - including Elizabeth Warren. Bernie, in an attempt to keep things rolling for another shot, refused to really comment on it for a long time, but EVERYONE knew it. Even conservatives know it, and they don't know ****.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Primaries and caucuses are state by state... the same process Bernie has already lost once, when running against a much weaker candidate. Bernie won't win anything in the South. Anything with significant percentage of black voters won't go for him; he pools very poorly with blacks.

Bernie in 2016 was artificially inflated. Most states he won were caucus states, where a committed vocal base can make a difference. You go to the big popular-vote driven primaries, and he loses badly. It happened over and over in 2016, with a few exceptions. And now, even the caucus states where he did well in 2016 won't go so easily for him, as Warren is polling double of his numbers among the very liberal.
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Few people know that Sanders actually won by a very slim margin the 2016 white Democratic Primary vote over Hillary. Hillary trounced Sanders among blacks, something like 80-20 although I don't have the exact figures. Biden is at this point exceptionally strong in the south. 30-35% on average, Sanders, Harris and Warren somewhere between 10-15 points. But there is a long road ahead.
 
btthegreat said:
We don't have to anticipate everything, we have to hold our horses and not commit. We haven't even finished the debates, before the debates, before Iowa and New Hampshire yet. I will do nothing but support the process of vetting and debating and a wide open primary until after Super Tuesday. Then I will see who is left, who is damaged, who is weak and who looks like someone who can bring along all our constituancies including progressives and moderates, older voters, urban voters, black, Hispanic and white voters, college kids, and unions, and yes rural and small town voters that so we can at least compete in 50 states.

We know one thing. Trumpsters show up at the polls. Every time, every one. We know another. The GOP will have poll watchers and lots of lawyers in swing districts to challenge and harass our voters. Their precincts will have lots of volonteers longer polling hours and lots of support. Our precincts will have fewer machines, people studying our ID and lines that go down and around the block. We have to somehow keep ours standing out in that weather as long as it takes despite the fact that they worked 8 hours on their feet before they got there.
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What a bunch of conspiracy nonsense. Precincts make their own rules now? Acorn was just a myth? We never saw any guys with baseball bats outside a polling station?
How many volunteers there are might well depend on the candidate, or how lazy or eager people who are backing said candidate are.
I worked as a poll worker, back in the day when I was registered D. All us poll workers even checked each other's ID, 100 feet from the polling entrance was taboo to put up signs, to campaign for a candidate, and we "studied" everyone's ID. Anyone who wasn't registered got a provisional ballot.
The rules were set, they are not made up as you go or depending on a whim. If a precinct isn't playing by those rules, turn them in, record evidence.
Voting and Election Laws | USAGov
 
GreatNews2night said:
Hillary did drift a bit left when she felt the heat from Sanders.
By the end of the campaign her platform was 95% like his. Or at least so she pretended (there is the famous bit that she had one opinion for her donors, and another one for the public).
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That was the big difference. She pretended ( a lot of the current candidates do as well), while Bernie comes across as, and most likely is, sincere.
 
btthegreat said:
Just so you know, we were doing just fine here without conservative input on our candidates and nominating process. You don't think like we do, and you don't want the same thing for this country that we want. Its a pretty good plan for us to ignore what you have to say about candidates who you prefer to sabotage and marginalize than support.
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OMG, are people who don't think like you do allowed to vote?
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Why are you unnecessarily hostile to anyone who calls out your unhealthy obsession with Bernie Sanders
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Anyone not in lockstep is verboten to opine. Sieg Heil.
 
Perotista said:
Few people know that Sanders actually won by a very slim margin the 2016 white Democratic Primary vote over Hillary. Hillary trounced Sanders among blacks, something like 80-20 although I don't have the exact figures. Biden is at this point exceptionally strong in the south. 30-35% on average, Sanders, Harris and Warren somewhere between 10-15 points. But there is a long road ahead.
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My guess is that Biden isn't as extreme as the rest, and has better name recognition than i.e. Bullock.
 
Lovebug said:
My guess is that Biden isn't as extreme as the rest, and has better name recognition than i.e. Bullock.
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Yes, a lot of these early polls are about name recognition. Most know who Biden and Sanders are, less so on Warren and the rest. When you get down to Bullock, 70% or so never heard of him.
 
Lovebug said:
OMG, are people who don't think like you do allowed to vote?
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They are not normally voting in the Democratic Primary - unless they are there to be spoilers in our primary. That's why I oppose open primaries in the first place.
 
btthegreat said:
They are not normally voting in the Democratic Primary - unless they are there to be spoilers in our primary. That's why I oppose open primaries in the first place.
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As an independent, I am absolutely curious about the primary process, the candidates, their platform, how they react to current events. No, I can't vote in the primaries, but I have every right to observe and opine as I see fit. Who knows, someone worth voting for might win the nomination. If not, I stick with my third party option.
Saying only Dems can post in this thread is just absurd.
 
Lovebug said:
As an independent, I am absolutely curious about the primary process, the candidates, their platform, how they react to current events. No, I can't vote in the primaries, but I have every right to observe and opine as I see fit. Who knows, someone worth voting for might win the nomination. If not, I stick with my third party option.
Saying only Dems can post in this thread is just absurd.
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But I didn't say that. I didn't create the thread. I said we were doing just fine without your opinion on our nomination process and policy initiatives and we should ignore what you say, because your agenda is not remotely ours. I can always tell, because people like you distort what we stand for and what we say, before you attack it. That is the first clue we should dismiss.
 
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btthegreat said:
She used what she was comfortable using, what was convenient for her to use, and could not really understand the reasons not to. this was one very tired, very busy older woman trying to fit a lot into a 14 hour day. She was wrong, but she was human.
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I am not condemning her, just explaining that her arrogance was her undoing.
I pulled the H lever after Bernie dropped out.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I didn't imply that Yale Law taught her technology. It's just that you don't make it there unless you are extremely intelligent. So, an extremely intelligent person, running for the most powerful office in the world, should at least have a hint that these days, recording devices are small and fit into pockets. You may be unable to operate one but you know they exist.

The people who want your rock concerts on VHS at least do know that DVD players exist even if they are unable to operate one.
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Heh heh, about every two or three weeks I find one of those "AOL chain email" type Facebook posts from some of my old friends that goes something like:

"Everything is so modern. Why is modern cool?
Remember the good old days when the TV had to warm up, and eight tracks were cool, and
you had AM radio, and skate keys, and those great old 45 RPM records?"

etc etc etc bla bla bla quack quack quack...

And of course YES, they KNOW the technology exists, because they're not writing their post on a computer that uses vacuum tubes. :lol:

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But to these people, high tech is "icky" and they don't like it, despite having to use it.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The whole reason she used a private server, you know why, don't you?
She finally got a "smartphone"...a Blackberry, a first generation Blackberry.
From that point on, she refused to use anything else.
And she wouldn't give it up when the Feds said that the old BB was no longer certifiable for Federal security requirements and the Feds would no longer support servers designed to interface with BB.

She ONLY used the Blackberry. Sorry but Yale Law doesn't mean that you know how to use modern technology.
She graduated Yale in 1973.
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Turtledude graduated from Yale too, just saying. ;)
 
Lovebug said:
Anyone not in lockstep is verboten to opine. Sieg Heil.
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I mean, dear Lord. Dude sounds like me c. 2015 about Hillary (although that was mainly due to the prevalence of Russian bots and widespread misinformation and me falling for it).
And that's bad.

I was really wrong about Hillary, she seems like a good person who's just been struggling with a lot notwithstanding dealing with a power-hungry womanizing sociopath ex-president of a husband.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I am not condemning her, just explaining that her arrogance was her undoing.
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That's pretty spot on

‘It was arrogance’ – Clinton staffers explain how she lost key battleground states

Although I personally blame Bill Clinton for most of it:

How Bill Clinton made things awkward for Hillary’s 2016 campaign

Former president Bill Clinton has put himself – and Hillary Clinton’s campaign – in difficult situations a few times this year. Here are some of them.
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Dude's a weirdo, and not in a good way.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
I mean, dear Lord. Dude sounds like me c. 2015 about Hillary (although that was mainly due to the prevalence of Russian bots and widespread misinformation and me falling for it).
And that's bad.

I was really wrong about Hillary, she seems like a good person who's just been struggling with a lot notwithstanding dealing with a power-hungry womanizing sociopath ex-president of a husband.
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Hillary is not a bad person, she was just a horrible candidate...TWICE.
She isn't cut out for it, and never was.
What Hillz was good at...her "wheelhouse"... was being a policy wonk.
That is not enough, and the personality flaws she does have alienate people.

But that doesn't make her a terrible person, just a terrible candidate.
In fact, if it wasn't for her persistence with S-CHIP, my son wouldn't have made it past his third birthday.

He's twenty-three now, and looking at a heart transplant down the road but he received three open heart surgeries by his fifth birthday.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Hillary is not a bad person, she was just a horrible candidate...TWICE.
She isn't cut out for it, and never was.
What Hillz was good at...her "wheelhouse"... was being a policy wonk.
That is not enough, and the personality flaws she does have alienate people.

But that doesn't make her a terrible person, just a terrible candidate.
In fact, if it wasn't for her persistence with S-CHIP, my son wouldn't have made it past his third birthday.

He's twenty-three now, and looking at a heart transplant down the road but he received three open heart surgeries by his fifth birthday.
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Yeah, I think the only real reason people actually liked Bill in the first place was because of her... still doesn't mean she should have ever... Ever... EVER been considered for President, though.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Yeah, I think the only real reason people actually liked Bill in the first place was because of her... still doesn't mean she should have ever... Ever... EVER been considered for President, though.
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Au contraire, Bill Clinton has a much more likable personality than she has.
My opinion only ;)
 
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