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New poll, Bernie Sanders falling further behind Biden and Warren

GreatNews2night

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LOL, I knew it. I said it here over and over, that the loser known as Bernie Sanders would lose again. His supporters got outraged and had all sorts of excuses to still call him the people's choice. Many attacked me personally when I said that he is anything but the people's choice.

Guess what? The people are choosing differently, like I predicted.

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Biden 32%, Warren 21%, Sanders 14%.

Sure, sure, his apologists will say "it's too early to pay attention to polls." Nope. Stats show that *when a candidate enjoys wide name recognition* which is Sanders' case, when he/she polls poorly even several months before the contest, it really doesn't bode well for him/her. Mark my words. Yes, in 2016 he surged from low numbers to big numbers, but that's when he was a novelty and did not have all this name recognition. 2020 is a different animal. Voters are tired of Bernie Sanders' empty promises that feel so 2016, and the field has other people who attract the progressive vote (see the detail: very liberal Democrats go 40% for Warren, 20% for Sanders; double for her!). Nope, Sanders won't be the nominee.

Now, once Sanders loses again and drops out of the race, will his fans sulk, throw a temper tantrum, and blame everybody else (except the loser himself) and say it's the DNC, it's the main stream media, it's the plutocrats, it's Wall Street interests, etc etc? And will they say "Bernie or Bust" and immaturely join Trump out of spite, like some of them did in 2016? Or will they grow up and realize that their guy is just a loser? That he loses not because of some sinister conspiracy, but because most Dem primary voters are not impressed by his pies in the sky?

To be clear, if by some sort of weird miracle Sanders wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for him. I'll vote for anybody who runs against Trump. But I do hope that it's not him, because I can't stand that opportunistic, vacuous populist, one-trick-pony, loser Bernie Sanders, the Trump of the Left.

By the way, to everybody who jumped on Harris' bandwagon due to ONE debate, I said, wait, there will be other debates. Now she is polling at 7%. LOL
 
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Harris had better get busy and find something to attack Warren on. It shouldn't be too hard.

Of course, Gabbard already exposed Harris' weak spot so maybe it won't do her any good. As soon as the riff-raff get told to drop out, Harris will be on the chopping block, too.
 
Poor Bernie. He had his big chance in 2016. He's done. I really thought Harris had a chance but since Gabbard gutted her, she's foundering quickly. It won't matter in the end. Trump will beat Biden easily and he'll crush Warren like a grape.
 
veritas1 said:
Poor Bernie. He had his big chance in 2016. He's done. I really thought Harris had a chance but since Gabbard gutted her, she's foundering quickly. It won't matter in the end. Trump will beat Biden easily and he'll crush Warren like a grape.
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IMHO, what Harris once did pales in comparison to what she wants to be able to do.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
IMHO, what Harris once did pales in comparison to what she wants to be able to do.
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I have to agree with you on that. I'll vote for her is she's the nominee, but I am concerned over how she might weaponize the state.
 
veritas1 said:
Poor Bernie. He had his big chance in 2016. He's done. I really thought Harris had a chance but since Gabbard gutted her, she's foundering quickly. It won't matter in the end. Trump will beat Biden easily and he'll crush Warren like a grape.
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I'm not sure if Trump will beat Biden easily. Trump can't afford to lose any state he won in 2016 by a tiny margin, and for one thing, Pennsylvania, Biden's native state, is very heavily for him.

As for Warren, I'm afraid she will never recover from the Pocahontas debacle, once she faces Trump.
 
veritas1 said:
Poor Bernie. He had his big chance in 2016. He's done. I really thought Harris had a chance but since Gabbard gutted her, she's foundering quickly. It won't matter in the end. Trump will beat Biden easily and he'll crush Warren like a grape.
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He didn't have his big chance in 2016. He managed to lose the primaries by millions and millions of popular votes (huge difference), to one of the worst candidates in history. No, it wasn't because of the DNC. It was simply because the silent majority of Dem primary voters did not want Bernie. Period. That's the truth that his fans will NEVER acknowledge. They keep talking DNC and superdelegates... when the VOTERS clearly rejected Bernie Sanders.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I'm not sure if Trump will beat Biden easily. Trump can't afford to lose any state he won in 2016 by a tiny margin, and for one thing, Pennsylvania, Biden's native state, is very heavily for him.

As for Warren, I'm afraid she will never recover from the Pocahontas debacle, once she faces Trump.
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Please, that stuff doesn't matter anymore in 2019.

If anyone looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen, it's Biden. The guy seems to not know what planet he's on. The other day when he sent out condolence to those effected by the tragedies in "Houston" and "Michigan", it was sooooo cringey. It's clear he's not very sharp and capable of many mistakes, even with cards to read from, and he's a disaster when he has to defend he's record.

Would he beat Trump? Probably. But not by as much as people think he would. He ain't winning those "blue collard truckstop voters" in small towns, anymore than Warren or Sanders will. Those people fully on board team Trump because of his race war liberal tears shtick.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I'm not sure if Trump will beat Biden easily. Trump can't afford to lose any state he won in 2016 by a tiny margin, and for one thing, Pennsylvania, Biden's native state, is very heavily for him.

As for Warren, I'm afraid she will never recover from the Pocahontas debacle, once she faces Trump.
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We'll see. If Biden were a real threat he'd have a very big lead this far out. His lead over Trump is about 2 points. That doesn't bode well for any challenger.
 
MovingPictures said:
Please, that stuff doesn't matter anymore in 2019.

If anyone looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen, it's Biden. The guy seems to not know what planet he's on. The other day when he sent out condolence to those effected by the tragedies in "Houston" and "Michigan", it was sooooo cringey. It's clear he's not very sharp and capable of many mistakes, even with cards to read from, and he's a disaster when he has to defend he's record.

Would he beat Trump? Probably. But not by as much as people think he would. He ain't winning those "blue collard truckstop voters" in small towns, anymore than Warren or Sanders will. Those people fully on board team Trump because of his race war liberal tears shtick.
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Well, that depends on who he chooses for VP. Buttigieg would be a good choice for that reason.
 
Napoleon said:
Well, that depends on who he chooses for VP. Buttigieg would be a good choice for that reason.
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No way you could put Buttigieg on a Bidden ticket. Two white men on the same ticket isn't diverse enough for the party that forced staffers to resign over skin tone.

Democrats gotta check the token diversity box so a Bidden ticket must be filled out by a minority.
 
Chillfolks said:
No way you could put Buttigieg on a Bidden ticket. Two white men on the same ticket isn't diverse enough for the party that forced staffers to resign over skin tone.

Democrats gotta check the token diversity box so a Bidden ticket must be filled out by a minority.
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The object isn’t to target the squeaky wheel that is the progressive minority. It’s to lock in rural white votes to keep Trump from winning another electoral college victory. The progressives are expendable.
 
Bernie's support is overwhelmingly among younger Americans, so polls aren't going to accurately measure that under any circumstance; if you check their methodologies, they almost always use land lines since they're an accurate way to keep track of who's who. Meanwhile, if you look at who is actually willing to put money on the line for who, Bernie is the most popular candidate across almost the entire nation, with only a few regional support bases outweighing him. When you take Bernie out of the running, Warren is up next.

Democrats, you've seen what happens when you stick with a "safe" candidate against a populist firebrand. Bernie and Warren are the people's candidates, and they represent the future of the Democratic base in ways that only Obama has before. If you default to playing defensively, and pick another corporate candidate, Trump has already won.
 
GreatNews2night said:
LOL, I knew it. I said it here over and over, that the loser known as Bernie Sanders would lose again. His supporters got outraged and had all sorts of excuses to still call him the people's choice. Many attacked me personally when I said that he is anything but the people's choice.

Guess what? The people are choosing differently, like I predicted.

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Biden 32%, Warren 21%, Sanders 14%.

Sure, sure, his apologists will say "it's too early to pay attention to polls." Nope. Stats show that *when a candidate enjoys wide name recognition* which is Sanders' case, when he/she polls poorly even several months before the contest, it really doesn't bode well for him/her. Mark my words. Yes, in 2016 he surged from low numbers to big numbers, but that's when he was a novelty and did not have all this name recognition. 2020 is a different animal. Voters are tired of Bernie Sanders' empty promises that feel so 2016, and the field has other people who attract the progressive vote (see the detail: very liberal Democrats go 40% for Warren, 20% for Sanders; double for her!). Nope, Sanders won't be the nominee.

Now, once Sanders loses again and drops out of the race, will his fans sulk, throw a temper tantrum, and blame everybody else (except the loser himself) and say it's the DNC, it's the main stream media, it's the plutocrats, it's Wall Street interests, etc etc? And will they say "Bernie or Bust" and immaturely join Trump out of spite, like some of them did in 2016? Or will they grow up and realize that their guy is just a loser? That he loses not because of some sinister conspiracy, but because most Dem primary voters are not impressed by his pies in the sky?

To be clear, if by some sort of weird miracle Sanders wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for him. I'll vote for anybody who runs against Trump. But I do hope that it's not him, because I can't stand that opportunistic, vacuous populist, one-trick-pony, loser Bernie Sanders, the Trump of the Left.

By the way, to everybody who jumped on Harris' bandwagon due to ONE debate, I said, wait, there will be other debates. Now she is polling at 7%. LOL
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Bernie's not a rape-loving, war-mongering sociopath.

So what can he offer hardcore Hillbots and other assorted blue shirt conservatives (aka liberals) riled to hysteria?

Not much.

2016 was his year, but the criminal Democrats and their plutocrat overlords tanked him.

Now we'll have 8 years of Trump.

Well done, blue-shirt conservatives!

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GreatNews2night said:
LOL, I knew it. I said it here over and over, that the loser known as Bernie Sanders would lose again. His supporters got outraged and had all sorts of excuses to still call him the people's choice. Many attacked me personally when I said that he is anything but the people's choice.

Guess what? The people are choosing differently, like I predicted.

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Biden 32%, Warren 21%, Sanders 14%.

Sure, sure, his apologists will say "it's too early to pay attention to polls." Nope. Stats show that *when a candidate enjoys wide name recognition* which is Sanders' case, when he/she polls poorly even several months before the contest, it really doesn't bode well for him/her. Mark my words. Yes, in 2016 he surged from low numbers to big numbers, but that's when he was a novelty and did not have all this name recognition. 2020 is a different animal. Voters are tired of Bernie Sanders' empty promises that feel so 2016, and the field has other people who attract the progressive vote (see the detail: very liberal Democrats go 40% for Warren, 20% for Sanders; double for her!). Nope, Sanders won't be the nominee.

Now, once Sanders loses again and drops out of the race, will his fans sulk, throw a temper tantrum, and blame everybody else (except the loser himself) and say it's the DNC, it's the main stream media, it's the plutocrats, it's Wall Street interests, etc etc? And will they say "Bernie or Bust" and immaturely join Trump out of spite, like some of them did in 2016? Or will they grow up and realize that their guy is just a loser? That he loses not because of some sinister conspiracy, but because most Dem primary voters are not impressed by his pies in the sky?

To be clear, if by some sort of weird miracle Sanders wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for him. I'll vote for anybody who runs against Trump. But I do hope that it's not him, because I can't stand that opportunistic, vacuous populist, one-trick-pony, loser Bernie Sanders, the Trump of the Left.

By the way, to everybody who jumped on Harris' bandwagon due to ONE debate, I said, wait, there will be other debates. Now she is polling at 7%. LOL
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1. Yes, Sanders seems unlikely to win. In somes polls he has a bigger margin, but I believe that Warren or Harris will be the alternative to Biden in the end. People are ready for a female in the WH and it will take a lot for them to be talked out of it and support the same old thing.

2. Be careful with Quinnipiac, they are known for outlier results. They overestimated the Democratic tickets of Nelson and Gillum pretty good, and totally messed it up. So, be skeptical of these polls where they have Biden beating Trump in Florida by 8%.

3. Harris indeed had a bad debate, but don't dance on her grave. She might come back, but she'll have to create a platform that cancels out the issues with her record on crime. Biden will have many, many gaffes and look out of step with the party the more he talks.

4. It's best to see Warren and Sanders as the same ticket, as whoever drops out gets the others support. Warren is more likely to be the victor there. Together, even in this poll, they add up to 35%, which is more than Biden. When you add in the other progressives of O'Rouke, Castro, Booker, Yang, and Gabbard, they get to 42% support, if and when that support moves towards them.

Biden doesn't have any support to get from the moderates that are toast, as they are polling at 0%, nor will he ever get that progressive support. He will have to win the support of Harris and Buttigieg supporters to win. If either of those two bleed off moderate support from Biden, he'll be in big trouble.
 
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MovingPictures said:
1. Yes, Sanders seems unlikely to win. In somes polls he has a bigger margin, but I believe that Warren or Harris will be the alternative to Biden in the end. People are ready for female in the WH and it will take a lot for them to be talked out of it and support the same old thing.

2. Be careful with Quinnipiac, they are known for outlier results. They overestimated the Democratic tickets of Nelson and Gillum pretty good, and totally messed it up. So, be skeptical of these polls where they have Biden beating Trump in Florida by 8%.

3. It's best to see Warren and Sanders as the same ticket, as whoever drops out gets the others support. Warren is more likely to be the victor there. Together, even in this poll, they add up to 35%, which is more than Biden. When you add in the other progressives of O'Rouke, Castro, Booker, Yang, and Gabbard, they get to 42% support, if and when that support moves towards them.

Biden doesn't have any support to get from the moderates that are toast, as they are polling at 0%, nor will he ever get that progressive support. He will have to win the support of Harris and Buttigieg supporters to win. If either of those two bleed off moderate support from Biden, he'll be in big trouble.
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I'm gonna be honest. The best thing that Warren and Sanders can do for the American people is to draw straws after the first few state primaries to see who gets stuck as VP.
 
GreatNews2night said:
LOL, I knew it. I said it here over and over, that the loser known as Bernie Sanders would lose again. His supporters got outraged and had all sorts of excuses to still call him the people's choice. Many attacked me personally when I said that he is anything but the people's choice.

Guess what? The people are choosing differently, like I predicted.

National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Biden 32%, Warren 21%, Sanders 14%.

Sure, sure, his apologists will say "it's too early to pay attention to polls." Nope. Stats show that *when a candidate enjoys wide name recognition* which is Sanders' case, when he/she polls poorly even several months before the contest, it really doesn't bode well for him/her. Mark my words. Yes, in 2016 he surged from low numbers to big numbers, but that's when he was a novelty and did not have all this name recognition. 2020 is a different animal. Voters are tired of Bernie Sanders' empty promises that feel so 2016, and the field has other people who attract the progressive vote (see the detail: very liberal Democrats go 40% for Warren, 20% for Sanders; double for her!). Nope, Sanders won't be the nominee.

Now, once Sanders loses again and drops out of the race, will his fans sulk, throw a temper tantrum, and blame everybody else (except the loser himself) and say it's the DNC, it's the main stream media, it's the plutocrats, it's Wall Street interests, etc etc? And will they say "Bernie or Bust" and immaturely join Trump out of spite, like some of them did in 2016? Or will they grow up and realize that their guy is just a loser? That he loses not because of some sinister conspiracy, but because most Dem primary voters are not impressed by his pies in the sky?

To be clear, if by some sort of weird miracle Sanders wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for him. I'll vote for anybody who runs against Trump. But I do hope that it's not him, because I can't stand that opportunistic, vacuous populist, one-trick-pony, loser Bernie Sanders, the Trump of the Left.

By the way, to everybody who jumped on Harris' bandwagon due to ONE debate, I said, wait, there will be other debates. Now she is polling at 7%. LOL
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I think sanders is too old, too male, and too white to win in the democrat primaty this election cycle. Last cycle however i think he was the perferred candidate of the party. He blazed the way for this current crop of democrats. I dont think its fair to not acknowledge that.

I do think he would of been better off taking on the grandfather role this cycle, in terms of his popularity. That however is entirely different than whst your saying. Whether or not anyone wants to admit it sanders struck a tone that resonated on the left and now they are all trying to imitate it.

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Napoleon said:
The object isn’t to target the squeaky wheel that is the progressive minority. It’s to lock in rural white votes to keep Trump from winning another electoral college victory. The progressives are expendable.
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Not sure pissing off the progressive party is a good idea. They may just stay home or vote 3rd party. It could also spell trouble for down ticket candidates. Pandoras box has been opened allowing the putrid progressive puss to ooze into mainstream..
 
Napoleon said:
Well, that depends on who he chooses for VP. Buttigieg would be a good choice for that reason.
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Dude, it doesn't matter if we run Joe Manchin, they want Trump because they tie him to the economy no matter what.
 
trouble13 said:
I think sanders is too old, too male, and too white to win in the democrat primaty this election cycle. Last cycle however i think he was the perferred candidate of the party. He blazed the way for this current crop of democrats. I dont think its fair to not acknowledge that.

I do think he would of been better off taking on the grandfather role this cycle, in terms of his popularity. That however is entirely different than whst your saying. Whether or not anyone wants to admit it sanders struck a tone that resonated on the left and now they are all trying to imitate it.

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Not gonna lie, I like the idea of Bernie taking his "angry grandfather" shtick to a whole new level. I also think it's ludicrous of you to say he's too old, white & male when Biden is the frontrunner.
 
MovingPictures said:
Please, that stuff doesn't matter anymore in 2019.

If anyone looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen, it's Biden. The guy seems to not know what planet he's on. The other day when he sent out condolence to those effected by the tragedies in "Houston" and "Michigan", it was sooooo cringey. It's clear he's not very sharp and capable of many mistakes, even with cards to read from, and he's a disaster when he has to defend he's record.

Would he beat Trump? Probably. But not by as much as people think he would. He ain't winning those "blue collard truckstop voters" in small towns, anymore than Warren or Sanders will. Those people fully on board team Trump because of his race war liberal tears shtick.
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On the contrary, Sanders had significant support outside of the Democratic party in 2016. A large part of why Democrats today blame him for Trump beating Clinton is because he carried a lot of voters who had been Republican leaning in the past.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/
 
Jesse Booth said:
I'm gonna be honest. The best thing that Warren and Sanders can do for the American people is to draw straws after the first few state primaries to see who gets stuck as VP.
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I think the thing that's going to be hard on Biden is having to do at least two or three debates with Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, O'Rouke, Castro, and Buttigieg all on stage and to the left of him.

He can't name drop Obama forever and be stuck at 32%. He needs the support of Harris and Buttigieg for when the progressive vote begin to consolidate around one candidate.
 
MovingPictures said:
I think the thing that's going to be hard on Biden is having to do at least two or three debates with Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, O'Rouke, Castro, and Buttigieg all on stage and to the left of him.

He can't name drop Obama forever and be stuck at 32%. He needs the support of Harris and Buttigieg for when the progressive vote begin to consolidate around one candidate.
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I'm really hoping that Harris and Buttigieg stick it out for a while - I don't see any of their supporters going to one of the good candidates after this, sadly.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I'm gonna be honest. The best thing that Warren and Sanders can do for the American people is to draw straws after the first few state primaries to see who gets stuck as VP.
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Well, I have no doubt that one will drop out and support the other when it becomes clear after some decisive moments in the race, that one of the two has a decisive lead/edge; despite the wettest dreams of neoliberal Dems, there is no way these two great friends are ultimately going to split the progressive vote between them and thus allow a status quo candidate like Biden, or triangulating pseudo-progressive like Kamala, become nominee as a direct consequence.

As to a VP position, that's much less certain, namely because VP picks tend to be either reconciliatory towards the losing faction of the party, and/or strategic picks... unless you're say Clinton and feel like throwing an election in part by taking up a complete and utter nobody aligned with your views out of pettiness who adds nothing.

If you're saying one of them will serve as VP to Biden, I just don't think you can reasonably assert at this time that he'll be the winner when the dust has settled.
 
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MrPeanut said:
I have to agree with you on that. I'll vote for her is she's the nominee, but I am concerned over how she might weaponize the state.
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That (bolded above) is precisely why so many of these (too numerous?) demorat POTUS candidates are spouting all of these policies to go (much?) further left than the American public is willing to. IMHO, they (like you?) see any demorat as being able to beat Trump so why not go (too far?) left since a any demorat is bound to be elected POTUS (over Trump) in 2020.
 
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