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African-Americans still supporting Biden

AtlantaAdonis said:
National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.
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So, if the alleged beneficiaries of so-called "progressive" programs DON'T buy into your propaganda, might it be time to re-evaluate exactly what is and isn't "progressive"?
 
Surrealistik said:
We're more than a year out, and we're only two debates in, so I wouldn't worry too much. Biden has been decaying pretty much since he announced.

Having said that, I agree the support of Biden makes basically no sense; most of it appears to be attributable to the Obama halo effect/connection than anything else, which is ironic because Obama picked him primarily to appeal to whites.
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Or, maybe what you consider to be "making sense" doesn't real do so? Just sayin'
 
Bullseye said:
Or, maybe what you consider to be "making sense" doesn't real do so? Just sayin'
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Well the two leading reasons for the support appear to be couched in Biden's association with Obama, and perceived electability.

Minor polled leads in electability (in match ups against Trump versus the nearest Dem candidate) aren't really meaningful more than a year out, and the good will due to said association doesn't have a really factual basis, particularly when one considers why Biden was chosen, and his history/track record.
 
Biden was the Messiah's sidekick. There are brownie points in that fact.
 
Biden's support will remain among blacks until other candidates begin to spend more time in those districts, and convince that demographic that Biden has problems winning. they want someone they know and feel comfortable about who will WIN. Nobody is really going to get a lot of leverage trying to hang segregation or reparations on Biden. Its also important that we remember that not all blacks vote in equal numbers , and the ones candidates need are the ones who show up as opposed to those who say they will. Young blacks and young whites will not likely impact the process beyond those poll numbers.
 
Moot said:
Wuuut?
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Anyone who doesn't tow the corporate neoliberal line is a "POE". Welcome to DP.

And the "lib'ruls are the real racists" is pretty typical, too.

For Democracy to work, the populace has to be educated. But educational inequities deprive African-Americans of the empowerment they need to vote properly. Of course I don't expect oblivious white conservative sand fauxgressives to get that.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Anyone who doesn't tow the corporate neoliberal line is a "POE". Welcome to DP.

And the "lib'ruls are the real racists" is pretty typical, too.

For Democracy to work, the populace has to be educated. But educational inequities deprive African-Americans of the empowerment they need to vote properly. Of course I don't expect oblivious white conservative sand fauxgressives to get that.
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I’d love to be a fly on the wall when predominately white progressives tell African Americans that they’re too uneducated to make their own decisions so white progressives will be dictating what’s in their best interest from now on.
 
Moot said:
Wuuut?
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AA has espoused what amounts to a right winger's concept of what a liberal is for as long as I've been a member, although I have to give him props for being fairly subtle. I refuse to believe that the guy who started the "Why are Republican women so pretty" thread back in 2014 and has just now made the "blacks don't vote the way I want them to" is a good faith actor. I'd link back to the thread that first made me doubt his authenticity, but I think it was flushed.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.
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Coming from you, the word "empower" seems to be open to wide interpretation, if one takes your posting history into account.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Anyone who doesn't tow the corporate neoliberal line is a "POE". Welcome to DP.

And the "lib'ruls are the real racists" is pretty typical, too.

For Democracy to work, the populace has to be educated. But educational inequities deprive African-Americans of the empowerment they need to vote properly. Of course I don't expect oblivious white conservative sand fauxgressives to get that.
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You aren’t towing a corporate neoliberal line. You’re towing the Trumpism/white nationalist line. Conservatives say all the time here that black people are somehow tricked by democrats into voting badly because they’re just too dumb to see through it, unlike superior white conservatives naturally.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I think there's a lot of collective anguish and shellshock from African-Americans not just from institutional racism but from the horrors of the Trump presidency and they're all just reaching for what is familiar. With proper outreach to these communities they can be won over.
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And that's why the #1 thing Democrats need to do is win and get Trump out of office. They're not going to win with divisive issues that will never pass like reparations. Who gets reparations? Do Black immigrants like me get reparations whose family never suffered from American slavery? What about people who are half or a quarter immigrant? What about those who are half White? A quarter? It's a bit of a mess.

I prefer that America make things right by supporting programs that help poor minorities in terms of education and opportunity.
 
Jesse Booth said:
None of you understand how the black community votes. They aren't a monolith by any stretch of the term, but historically speaking, they tend to reach a consensus on a good winning horse & largely vote as a unified demographic - it's why black support was initially very strong for Hillary, up until Obama actually started gaining ground in other demographics. The black community doesn't support Biden, so much as they oppose Trump - and there isn't a single Democratic candidates whose merit outweighs Trump's lack of merit, not even Bernie or Warren. I imagine that as long as Biden is polling the best against Trump, that's who they're going to have their wagon hitched to.





These guys get it. ^^
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The week just ended saw Trump's approval among blacks at 32% in the Rasmussen poll. Their approval the same week one year ago was 26%. The libs can whine and discount Rasmussen if they'd like but Trump is going to do better with AA's than he did in 2016. That won't be good news for Dems.
 
Deuce said:
You aren’t towing a corporate neoliberal line. You’re towing the Trumpism/white nationalist line. Conservatives say all the time here that black people are somehow tricked by democrats into voting badly because they’re just too dumb to see through it, unlike superior white conservatives naturally.
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Tricked or frightened? Wasn't it Biden saying that Trump was going to put blacks back in chains? Yea, real subtle Uncle Joe.:roll:
 
veritas1 said:
The week just ended saw Trump's approval among blacks at 32% in the Rasmussen poll. Their approval the same week one year ago was 26%. The libs can whine and discount Rasmussen if they'd like but Trump is going to do better with AA's than he did in 2016. That won't be good news for Dems.
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Rasmussen has always been an odd outlier among polls. I don't doubt the current upwards trend, since it's mirrored in other polls, but I highly doubt the veracity of the guys who are always disproportionately positive in their polling for right wingers.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Sounds like a good reason to vote for Bernie to me.
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No reason could sound like a good reason to vote for Bernie IMO. I'll probably vote for Bidden in the primary but if it's a Bidden Trunp election I'll most likely vote 3rd party.
 
Chillfolks said:
No reason could sound like a good reason to vote for Bernie IMO. I'll probably vote for Bidden in the primary but if it's a Bidden Trunp election I'll most likely vote 3rd party.
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If you don't want him to be President, why are you going to vote for him in the primary?
 
Bucky said:
the OP assumes blacks are some sort of large monolithic group that thinks and acts the same way.
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Well, we know one thing for sure, they vote around 90% democrat(wink)
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.
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Well, a guy that got the 1st and 2nd most votes in election history picked him for VP
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
National (US) Poll - August 6, 2019 - Warren Up, Harris Down, But Bi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

Really disappointing to see this. Rather than get behind candidates who will support reparations and school busing integration and other more racially-progressive candidates, many still support the clueless old white guy responsible for the 1994 crime bill that wreaked havoc on African-American families.

Progressives are going to have to do a better job of reaching out to communities of color to help empower with knowledge African-Americans to make voting choices that are within their best interest.
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As a moderate Republican and a swing voter (I really don't want to vote for Donnie T), I think it humorous to see Democrats eat each other up like this. Biden is a liberal. He supports liberal policies. Bashing Biden for things he supported 20-40 years old is quite silly. If "progressives" want to win over the heart of the Democratic base, they need to lose the purism. They need to be honest with the American people and argue, you want free college, health-care, transportation, and child-care, you need to give up half your income to the government in exchange for said services. You're not going to win over Biden people, if you propose fairy tale economics.

I am not going to pretend to speak for black people or anybody in general, one needs to stop and think, and realize that Biden is more practical than ideological. He understands that massive government expansion will require massive amount of taxes, and this is what people do not want.

Furthermore, I find it humorous that progressives are bashing Biden on busing. Busing? Really? You're talking about a massively unpopular policy, among both races. Run on a policy, which would force suburban children to go to intercity schools, and intercity children being forced to attend suburban schools. See how that works out, like it did in the 70s and 80s.
 
Jesse Booth said:
If you don't want him to be President, why are you going to vote for him in the primary?
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Because my state allows anyone regardless of party to vote in a primary. Of the Democrats Biden is the one I think would be the most centrist. If another turd is going to replace the turd in office I want it to be the least offensive smelling turd possible and for me that's Biden.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Anyone who doesn't tow the corporate neoliberal line is a "POE". Welcome to DP.

And the "lib'ruls are the real racists" is pretty typical, too.

For Democracy to work, the populace has to be educated. But educational inequities deprive African-Americans of the empowerment they need to vote properly. Of course I don't expect oblivious white conservative sand fauxgressives to get that.
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Well, how educated does one have to be to know they don't like racists or their policies?
 
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