• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Those shamelessly blaming Trump for the mass shootings

Athanasius68 said:
The thing here though is that some of these things Trump supposedly said he never quite said-- at least not in the way often presented.
The other part here is that there is a concerted effort to make any of Trump's views on subjects such as immigration reform inflamatory-- which is nonsense.
Click to expand...

You really need to earn to analyze things correctly before you can be taken seriously as a person that has something of importance to say.

The illegal alien problem is serious but you deal with it legally and not with force. You don't send troops to battle the immigrants and you don't call them rapists and killers, which is untrue and inflammatory.

Any time you say something that is untrue about a person it inflames everyone. We all hate rapists and killers and saying someone is a rapist and a killer inflames us. It is inflammatory!

If someone said unfairly to all of your friends and neighbors that you are a pedophile and they suddenly treated you with hate, you would not say that the person who accused you of being a pedophile inflamed your friends and neighbors against you?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Oh... I see-- two tiered law enforcement. One for the rich and one for everyone else.
Click to expand...

Yes, that is one of the reasons, and it is because the powerful can have it that way. But there are other reasons also as I mentioned. A bitter unemployed white nationalists may live right next to a Latino who can be easily identified by the skin color and language. Such social conditions provide many more opportunities for "payback" against Latinos.
 
WCH said:
Here's one for you.

YouTube
Click to expand...

:lamo
Prager U. on youtube? A freaking cartoon from Prager U.?

And you wonder why you get mocked for your fake news? You people don't even know (or seem to care) when you're being fed fake news!

But let's be clear about this. The FACT is that Trump tried to split hairs during his infamous press conference when he tried to make the case for "both sides" having "very fine people". However, if you'd bothered to READ or WATCH some real news, you'd understand that he said there were "people protesting peacefully....THE NIGHT BEFORE" (Trump's exact words)....but he was being asked about the protesters from the actual night of the Unite the Right rally, which was populated entirely by white nationalists/supremacists/neo-nazis. Trump knew he was bind deceitful when he said that, but he didn't care. You're welcome to review the actual press conferences (there were 2 of them) for yourself. I suggest that you do that, rather than put blind faith in another fake news source like Prager U. on Youtube.


Yours had nothing to do with Trump's remarks.
Click to expand...

The videos I posted depicted the ACTUAL protesters on the Unite the Right rally...i.e. the people that Trump insisted were "very fine people". Again, Trump was LYING when he conflated the protesters of the night before the Unite the Right rally....with the protesters of the actual Unite the Right rally. Reporters weren't asking him about the motives and behavior of the protesters from the night before...and he knew it. But Trump also knows that his followers don't read or watch real news, so he can LITERALLY say almost anything and you people will believe him.
 
ultmd said:
:lamo
Prager U. on youtube? A freaking cartoon from Prager U.?

And you wonder why you get mocked for your fake news? You people don't even know (or seem to care) when you're being fed fake news!

But let's be clear about this. The FACT is that Trump tried to split hairs during his infamous press conference when he tried to make the case for "both sides" having "very fine people". However, if you'd bothered to READ or WATCH some real news, you'd understand that he said there were "people protesting peacefully....THE NIGHT BEFORE" (Trump's exact words)....but he was being asked about the protesters from the actual night of the Unite the Right rally, which was populated entirely by white nationalists/supremacists/neo-nazis. Trump knew he was bind deceitful when he said that, but he didn't care. You're welcome to review the actual press conferences (there were 2 of them) for yourself. I suggest that you do that, rather than put blind faith in another fake news source like Prager U. on Youtube.




The videos I posted depicted the ACTUAL protesters on the Unite the Right rally...i.e. the people that Trump insisted were "very fine people". Again, Trump was LYING when he conflated the protesters of the night before the Unite the Right rally....with the protesters of the actual Unite the Right rally. Reporters weren't asking him about the motives and behavior of the protesters from the night before...and he knew it. But Trump also knows that his followers don't read or watch real news, so he can LITERALLY say almost anything and you people will believe him.
Click to expand...

You're wrong... the NY Times recanted 5 stories on Trump's remarks after that protest.

The New York Times Misquoted Trump’s Charlottesville Remarks In Five Different Reports | The Daily Caller

You have been fed lies.
 
Lutherf said:
Barack Obama regularly claimed systemic racism in police departments. He blamed racist cops for Henry Gates, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and Michael Brown. He sent Eric Holder to find enough racism in Ferguson that he could use it for a plan to practically nationalize local police forces. In effect, Obama's words condemned law enforcement and the entire justice system as being racist.
Click to expand...

You know what is funny about your post.............It is being proven true! Racism is alive and well and now more out in the open under Trump than ever before. Talking truth is okay. Trump saying all Mexicans are rapists and killers, though a "few" may not be is a lie.
 
Lutherf said:
Barack Obama regularly claimed systemic racism in police departments. He blamed racist cops for Henry Gates, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and Michael Brown. He sent Eric Holder to find enough racism in Ferguson that he could use it for a plan to practically nationalize local police forces. In effect, Obama's words condemned law enforcement and the entire justice system as being racist.
Click to expand...

I don't know how anyone could forget the chants from Black Lives Matter. "Pigs in a Blanket, fry em up like bacon." or "What do we want? DEAD COPS When to we want it? NOW" and as they kept ratcheting it up and started taking to the streets, police officers were being shot and killed in record numbers. Thanks to the few honest to goodness true investigative reporters we still have left, the people began to learn who was behind Ferguson, Baltimore and NYC and beyond. It was wealthy white leftists funding the leftist organizations fueling the flames. They descended on Ferguson, Baltimore, NYC etc like flies to a pile of poop. The kept fueling and pouring gasoline on until Ferguson went up in flames, Baltimore and parts of NYC were trashed. The same groups that were behind this unrest are the same groups behind Antifa. And the dirty secret is there are members in Academia that are involved in Antifa.

If it is still a puzzle to some why Democratic strongholds in this country like Philly whose union and Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump, it was because of the eight years police departments across this country went through Hell under Obama.
 
ultmd said:
:lamo
Prager U. on youtube? A freaking cartoon from Prager U.?

And you wonder why you get mocked for your fake news? You people don't even know (or seem to care) when you're being fed fake news!

But let's be clear about this. The FACT is that Trump tried to split hairs during his infamous press conference when he tried to make the case for "both sides" having "very fine people". However, if you'd bothered to READ or WATCH some real news, you'd understand that he said there were "people protesting peacefully....THE NIGHT BEFORE" (Trump's exact words)....but he was being asked about the protesters from the actual night of the Unite the Right rally, which was populated entirely by white nationalists/supremacists/neo-nazis. Trump knew he was bind deceitful when he said that, but he didn't care. You're welcome to review the actual press conferences (there were 2 of them) for yourself. I suggest that you do that, rather than put blind faith in another fake news source like Prager U. on Youtube.




The videos I posted depicted the ACTUAL protesters on the Unite the Right rally...i.e. the people that Trump insisted were "very fine people". Again, Trump was LYING when he conflated the protesters of the night before the Unite the Right rally....with the protesters of the actual Unite the Right rally. Reporters weren't asking him about the motives and behavior of the protesters from the night before...and he knew it. But Trump also knows that his followers don't read or watch real news, so he can LITERALLY say almost anything and you people will believe him.
Click to expand...

Showing reality and truth does not work with Trump supporters. A president that has been proven to be a pathological liar (proven without a shadow of a doubt) is still believed over videos showing actual events where what he has said is dis-proven totally.

Debating with Trump supporters is like:

 
Crusader13 said:
First of all, you're grouping all Christians, literally 2.2 billion people, into a collective group based on the actions of a few bad eggs ...
Click to expand...

I just want to point out that you guys do it ALL the time to OVER (YES OVER) half of all AmeriCANs; 327 million / 2 ~ 375 million Americans are branded as Antifa or Socialist or Libtards every damn day by you guys and it doesn't seem to bother a one of you.

Back to the OP, tRump did, just 3 months ago, smirk and smile and joke about killing people from the 3 Mexican Countries (as Faux News likes to call them), "the Donald" just thought it was a hoot … then … not so funny … now.
 
Lutherf said:
Barack Obama regularly claimed systemic racism in police departments. He blamed racist cops for Henry Gates, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and Michael Brown. He sent Eric Holder to find enough racism in Ferguson that he could use it for a plan to practically nationalize local police forces. In effect, Obama's words condemned law enforcement and the entire justice system as being racist.
Click to expand...

It seems you totally ignored what I said about the distinction between criticism and irresponsible inflammatory language. Don't you agree that it's possible to be critical of policing or immigration policy without using inflammatory language?

Please show me where Obama said, "These police officers are a bunch of racist murderers" or anything even remotely inflammatory?

Again, you can't deny that Trump is using inflamatory language about immigration policy to get votes. It's dangerous and irresponsible.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
It seems you totally ignored what I said about the distinction between criticism and irresponsible inflammatory language. Don't you agree that it's possible to be critical of policing or immigration policy without using inflammatory language?

Please show me where Obama said, "These police officers are a bunch of racist murderers" or anything even remotely inflammatory?

Again, you can't deny that Trump is using inflamatory language about immigration policy to get votes. It's dangerous and irresponsible.
Click to expand...

You are trying to establish a separate set of standards for Obama and Trump. I never said that Obama called cops "racist murderers" and, since I never asked that question I'll get back to what we ARE talking about and that is the FACT that Obama regularly alluded to systemic racism in the police and criminal justice infrastructures. His allusions served as affirmations to those in the black community who believed that kind of thing and resulted in a series of massive protests against various police forces, the shooting of police officers in Dallas, New York and other areas and something called the "Ferguson Effect" that you'll find mentioned in police departments across the country.
 
PeteEU said:
Violence against Christians? You mean like the Nazi who shot up a black church? Or the black Church burnings happening in Louisiana?

This bull**** about Christians being persecuted had to stop. When so called Christians stop trying to force thier racist bigot values on others, then maybe people will stop calling them out on it...ot as Christians claim, persecuting them.

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I think he's talking about the lion feedings at the colosseum....
 
Sampson Simpson said:
There is no violence against Christians, fake persecution complex. And liberals don't call for violence against christinas. Why do you pathetic people continually excuse it? He incites hate and violence against immigrant and people of color. He jokes about shooting illegals, and this shooter did just that, motivated by Trumps anti-immgrant fear mongering.

You can troll and try to be intentionally stupid, Trumps rhetoric has lead to numerous attacks on minorities and those perceived as immigrants
Click to expand...

You need to watch the real news. Christians are the most persecuted group in the world when you tally up global attacks. Go to the Middle East and tell me Christians have nothing to worry about in this world - and yes, those who commit violence against Christians in the Middle East are definitely going to have their hatred reinforced by the progressive media and loud screaming lefties.

Also, thus mass shooting was committed by a white male, just like most shootings in the US are. Do you think the Lefts message that all white men are cancers on society increases or decreases the chance that angry white men will become isolated and reach tipping point?
 
Last edited:
vesper said:
I don't know how anyone could forget the chants from Black Lives Matter. "Pigs in a Blanket, fry em up like bacon." or "What do we want? DEAD COPS When to we want it? NOW" and as they kept ratcheting it up and started taking to the streets, police officers were being shot and killed in record numbers. Thanks to the few honest to goodness true investigative reporters we still have left, the people began to learn who was behind Ferguson, Baltimore and NYC and beyond. It was wealthy white leftists funding the leftist organizations fueling the flames. They descended on Ferguson, Baltimore, NYC etc like flies to a pile of poop. The kept fueling and pouring gasoline on until Ferguson went up in flames, Baltimore and parts of NYC were trashed. The same groups that were behind this unrest are the same groups behind Antifa. And the dirty secret is there are members in Academia that are involved in Antifa.

If it is still a puzzle to some why Democratic strongholds in this country like Philly whose union and Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump, it was because of the eight years police departments across this country went through Hell under Obama.
Click to expand...

Really care to backup that claim?
 
Luckyone said:
They may be as toxic to you but I don't see him chanting hate against anyone. He offers a different view to yours of what is best for the nation but none of his statements stimulate hate in anyone, just difference of opinion.

I have never seen Sanders say Republicans are rapists or killers and that they should not be allowed to come in take over.

As such, you have no right to compare Sanders with Trump regarding triggering mental ill people to mass murders.

In fact, Sanders stimulates positive thoughts about a better America rather than hate about getting rid of Republicans. He stimulates people to vote and not to dispose of the problem by "getting rid of them".

If you are going to argue a fact, please keep it to apples to apples and not apples to elephants.
Click to expand...

Sanders most certainly has called for getting 'rid' of people. He after all favors government run healthcare.
BTW-- Sanders also believes that America needs "strong border security." Who do you suppose he doesnt want in?
 
Luckyone said:
They may be as toxic to you but I don't see him chanting hate against anyone. He offers a different view to yours of what is best for the nation but none of his statements stimulate hate in anyone, just difference of opinion.

I have never seen Sanders say Republicans are rapists or killers and that they should not be allowed to come in take over.

As such, you have no right to compare Sanders with Trump regarding triggering mental ill people to mass murders.

In fact, Sanders stimulates positive thoughts about a better America rather than hate about getting rid of Republicans. He stimulates people to vote and not to dispose of the problem by "getting rid of them".

If you are going to argue a fact, please keep it to apples to apples and not apples to elephants.
Click to expand...

LOL what? Sanders is a cheerleader for Socialism. Look up how many people that ideology has killed before you try to claim Sanders isn't pushing hate.
 
Luckyone said:
You really need to earn to analyze things correctly before you can be taken seriously as a person that has something of importance to say.

The illegal alien problem is serious but you deal with it legally and not with force. You don't send troops to battle the immigrants and you don't call them rapists and killers, which is untrue and inflammatory.

Any time you say something that is untrue about a person it inflames everyone. We all hate rapists and killers and saying someone is a rapist and a killer inflames us. It is inflammatory!

If someone said unfairly to all of your friends and neighbors that you are a pedophile and they suddenly treated you with hate, you would not say that the person who accused you of being a pedophile inflamed your friends and neighbors against you?
Click to expand...

Troops were sent because the civilian border Patrol was overwhelmed.

That there have been illegal immigrants who have committed serious crimes. Politically, you are free to focus on those illegal immigrants who have not committed any other crimes. However, kindly do not suggest that pointing out the former is a source of 'inflaming' people-- beyond presumably 'inflaming' people away from the latter opinion.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Sanders most certainly has called for getting 'rid' of people. He after all favors government run healthcare.
BTW-- Sanders also believes that America needs "strong border security." Who do you suppose he doesnt want in?
Click to expand...

We were talking about how Trumps helps trigger mental health people to take mass killing action. How does Sanders even fit into this conversation? Sanders is not for hate. He wants what we all want which is laws that address illegal immigration and a better life style for everyone that includes health care for everyone. You think these ideas stimulate hate and mass killings?

I can just see the headlines "Mass killing shooter had a manifesto that supported health care for all, better living conditions for all Americans, and laws that address illegal immigration. He wanted to make a statement by killing people that did not have health care, were poor and were legal citizens of the United States"

Please, use some reason in your arguments. Talking to you is like talking to a 3 year old brat.
 
Crusader13 said:
LOL what? Sanders is a cheerleader for Socialism. Look up how many people that ideology has killed before you try to claim Sanders isn't pushing hate.
Click to expand...

The socialism of Sanders is for Health Care for all and better wage conditions for all Americans. You don't support those goals?
 
Crusader13 said:
You need to watch the real news. Christians are the most persecuted group in the world when you tally up global attacks. Go to the Middle East and tell me Christians have nothing to worry about in this world - and yes, those who commit violence against Christians in the Middle East are definitely going to have their hatred reinforced by the progressive media and loud screaming lefties.

Also, thus mass shooting was committed by a white male, just like most shootings in the US are. Do you think the Lefts message that all white men are cancers on society increases or decreases the chance that angry white men will become isolated and reach tipping point?
Click to expand...

The Left's message will unfortunately reinforce the message that white males are toxic terrorists. That constant loop is going to screw with the wrong heads.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Troops were sent because the civilian border Patrol was overwhelmed.

That there have been illegal immigrants who have committed serious crimes. Politically, you are free to focus on those illegal immigrants who have not committed any other crimes. However, kindly do not suggest that pointing out the former is a source of 'inflaming' people-- beyond presumably 'inflaming' people away from the latter opinion.
Click to expand...

If addressing crime is the reason for troops being sent, why doesn't Trump send troops to every city in the United States given that there is more crime caused by Americans than by illegal immigrants.

As far as your last comment. A police chief does not go around yelling and screaming to the public that there is crime in his community. He goes about stopping the crime. If he were to yell and scream about the crimes in his community, he would generate more fear and more vigilante action in his city, which would increase the crimes.

You don't yell "wolf" because it causes everyone to run and in running some may get hurt because of the run itself. If you are the hunter, you simply go and get rid of the wolf. I am surprised that something so simple as this eludes your comprehension.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If a prominent politician makes his career on stoking hate and making white people afraid of hispanics and blaming them for all of America's problems, that politician is partially responsible when someone acts on the fear he's stoking. Nobody is saying Trump pulled the trigger, but he's definitely fanning the flames.
Click to expand...

Actually that would be most leftist liberals so why are you a leftist liberal?
they stoke their careers on hating other people.

you hypocrisy is noted not that you care.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Trump demonizing Hispanic immigrants?? No way!!! :lamo
Click to expand...

Leftist demonizing every group under that sun that they don't pander to?? No way !!!
that is all they do.
 
Luckyone said:
We were talking about how Trumps helps trigger mental health people to take mass killing action. How does Sanders even fit into this conversation? Sanders is not for hate. He wants what we all want which is laws that address illegal immigration and a better life style for everyone that includes health care for everyone. You think these ideas stimulate hate and mass killings?

I can just see the headlines "Mass killing shooter had a manifesto that supported health care for all, better living conditions for all Americans, and laws that address illegal immigration. He wanted to make a statement by killing people that did not have health care, were poor and were legal citizens of the United States"

Please, use some reason in your arguments. Talking to you is like talking to a 3 year old brat.
Click to expand...

That might be a somewhat accurate headline when we incorporate his 'manifesto.'
 
Luckyone said:
If addressing crime is the reason for troops being sent, why doesn't Trump send troops to every city in the United States given that there is more crime caused by Americans than by illegal immigrants.

As far as your last comment. A police chief does not go around yelling and screaming to the public that there is crime in his community. He goes about stopping the crime. If he were to yell and scream about the crimes in his community, he would generate more fear and more vigilante action in his city, which would increase the crimes.

You don't yell "wolf" because it causes everyone to run and in running some may get hurt because of the run itself. If you are the hunter, you simply go and get rid of the wolf. I am surprised that something so simple as this eludes your comprehension.
Click to expand...

The idea is to keep illegal immigrants OUT of the country. So they are thus not illegal immigrants.
Surely, you have no quarrel with such an objective.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The idea is to keep illegal immigrants OUT of the country. So they are thus not illegal immigrants.
Surely, you have no quarrel with such an objective.
Click to expand...

None at all. What I do have a problem with is Trump yelling and screaming that wolves are coming to eat us and so far he has been totally unsuccessful at getting anything done other than yelling wolf.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom